Why do pro-lifers feel the need to control other peoples' right to die?

[sserafim]

Why do pro-lifers feel the need to control and restrict other peoples' right to die? I don't understand this. It's not their life, why do they care about whether we die or not? Why are they so adamant against us dying? They don't even know us. I don't think they even care about us, they just want to restrict our right to die and preserve our lives instead.

 

[Roseate]

They have this image of what life is, and they have faith that life problems can always be solved and they have this idea that life is meaningful and a blessing. Some of them haven't been in our shoes, they may know someone who have but they themselves haven't suffered for years with this consistent pain that they can't escape. Some truly believe that life is actually redeemable and worth living, I used to feel that way at first at my beginning stage of depression when I was younger and believed all those religious lies. And it makes them feel good. It also keeps them from really seeing reality because believing that life is worth it and dying is wrong somehow makes them push forward themselves. Some even think "saving lives" is their purpose in life. It's their way of feeling like their sad lives is actually worth something. I think it's refusal to truly feel people pain. It's another way to dismiss our feelings so they don't have to deal with life. There is a lot more but it's too much to think about this minute. It may also be control to be honest or ignorance.

 

[dinosavr]

It's probably because everyone is suffering at least sometimes and as they don't have suicide as a backup plan, they're doing what they can to avoid any kind of suffering while they live. And we are selfish in the same way but we managed to find a better idea on how to avoid all this suffering

 

[divinemistress36]

Because most are religious and believe it's up to God when he takes us

 

[FarAcrossTheWater]

Not a lot of people understand the suffering we deal with all the time. And let's be honest, suicide is brutal to all loved ones. Catching the bus can cure our pain but it does cause people a lot of suffering. Not everyone realizes that it's not their fault. We needed to make our choices. Life is no way to treat an animal.

 

[MatrixPrisoner]

Anyone who has ever hit the snooze button should sympathize with CTBers. The desire to sleep indefinitely is clearly human nature.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I think their empathy lies with the people left behind to mourn a suicide- seeing as they probably have more in common with them. They are perhaps picturing the pain they would go through if someone they loved killed themselves.

You'd think they could extend this level of empathy to the person who was suffering so badly that they wanted out of this. But- I think that's the other problem. Unless the suffering is constant and visible to them, they'll maybe not believe a person's problems are serious enough to warrant that.

There's also the issue of mental illness. Some will simply believe that the person wasn't in their right mind- so, they weren't even capable of making that decision for themselves. With that reasoning- you can see why they feel justified. They think suicide is a bad decision to begin with and they think people who are suicidal aren't in a frame of mind to be able to reason properly (presumably.)

I think that's one of the biggest assumptions/ hurdles suicide needs to overcome in order to be more accepted by people: That maybe not all people who are suicidal are mentally ill- I think that needs clarifying. If they want to continue to hold that position though, I think they need to ascertain whether mental illness always destroys mental capacity to make reasoned decisions.

If they find that not all suicidal people are mentally ill. In fact- we know they're not. Some people want to die purely in response to having chronic physical pain. And, if they find that even if people suffering with mental illness can make reasoned decisions. (Surely we can- plenty of us have to work and make decisions- sometimes life saving/ ending decisions for other people- police, pilots, doctors- if we're well enough to take care of other people...) Then- they can't keep hiding behing the mental illness/ lack of competency argument.

They probably don't want to do this though because it's convenient. It lays the blame on that individual and it gives them all the power. You're not allowed to sell alcohol to someone who is already drunk because they're decision making is impaired. Same goes for restricting the more peaceful methods. They will presumably argue that- to be suicidal, you must be mentally ill and likely, mentally incompetent- so-'you' need saving from yourself. But, in terms of the real cause, it means they can ignore it to an extent because, That person is the one with a mental problem.

Plus, most families don't want their loved ones to kill themselves, so I imagine the general push is to prevent suicide rather than enable it.

 

[sserafim]

I think their empathy lies with the people left behind to mourn a suicide- seeing as they probably have more in common with them. They are perhaps picturing the pain they would go through if someone they loved killed themselves.

You'd think they could extend this level of empathy to the person who was suffering so badly that they wanted out of this. But- I think that's the other problem. Unless the suffering is constant and visible to them, they'll maybe not believe a person's problems are serious enough to warrant that.

There's also the issue of mental illness. Some will simply believe that the person wasn't in their right mind- so, they weren't even capable of making that decision for themselves. With that reasoning- you can see why they feel justified. They think suicide is a bad decision to begin with and they think people who are suicidal aren't in a frame of mind to be able to reason properly (presumably.)

I think that's one of the biggest assumptions/ hurdles suicide needs to overcome in order to be more accepted by people: That maybe not all people who are suicidal are mentally ill- I think that needs clarifying. If they want to continue to hold that position though, I think they need to ascertain whether mental illness always destroys mental capacity to make reasoned decisions.

If they find that not all suicidal people are mentally ill. In fact- we know they're not. Some people want to die purely in response to having chronic physical pain. And, if they find that even if people suffering with mental illness can make reasoned decisions. (Surely we can- plenty of us have to work and make decisions- sometimes life saving/ ending decisions for other people- police, pilots, doctors- if we're well enough to take care of other people...) Then- they can't keep hiding behing the mental illness/ lack of competency argument.

They probably don't want to do this though because it's convenient. It lays the blame on that individual and it gives them all the power. You're not allowed to sell alcohol to someone who is already drunk because they're decision making is impaired. Same goes for restricting the more peaceful methods. They will presumably argue that- to be suicidal, you must be mentally ill and likely, mentally incompetent- so-'you' need saving from yourself. But, in terms of the real cause, it means they can ignore it to an extent because, That person is the one with a mental problem.

Plus, most families don't want their loved ones to kill themselves, so I imagine the general push is to prevent suicide rather than enable it.

I guess so. Isn't it selfish for pro-lifers to force someone to keep living against their will though? They only care about their own pain and suffering, not the suicidal person's. Pro-lifers are selfish in this regard. It's not fair that they won't their loved ones to kill themselves/stop suffering because *they* personally will feel bad if their loved one dies. I don't understand why they view death as worse than suffering. Death is the end of suffering...

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Misery loves company. Even the most hellish of circumstances becomes more bearable knowing someone else is going through the same thing and sometimes people don't want to see others get to escape when they themselves can't. Like crabs in a bucket they'd rather pull any potential escapees down because "we're all in this together".

Or maybe their lives really are just so magical and perfect and happy that they can't possibly perceive that someone could feel otherwise.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

Because they don't see the right to die as a right after all. They don't believe that the right to die should be a right. Also, I think that they display a lot of cognitive dissonance. Despite making peaceful methods harder to access, they claim that it's easy to kill yourself so, in their eyes, they probably don't even think they're doing that much of an effort to stop us. For the most part, they don't even seem to care when an adult kills themselves as the media covering this site have always only focused on minors killing themselves. It's cognitive dissonance at its maximum

Also, they need us alive to be wage slaves even though there's already 8 billion of us

 

[Forever Sleep]

I guess so. Isn't it selfish for pro-lifers to force someone to keep living against their will though? They only care about their own pain and suffering, not the suicidal person's. Pro-lifers are selfish in this regard. It's not fair that they won't their loved ones to kill themselves/stop suffering because *they* personally will feel bad if their loved one dies. I don't understand why they view death as worse than suffering. Death is the end of suffering...

It's selfish if they realise the extent of that person's suffering but- that's the problem. If it isn't visible- they may not. Many people have simply learnt not to show how they truly feel a lot of the time. I think you were saying this the other day about your Mum? That she got annoyed with you being sad all the time? People learn to mask how they truly feel and some won't go anywhere near the possibility of them suiciding. So- some families (I guess) will simply never know how bad things were.

I think physical illness and pain is more sympathised with because in a lot of cases, it's more obvious. That person may look ill. They may be incapable of doing things. Plus, they may have doctors on 'their side' to say what they have is incurable and, will only get worse. I get the impression that mental illness isn't as well researched or quantified. That person may appear normal and healthy. Sure, they have problems but, who doesn't? Depends how sympathetic their families are towards mental illness. Depends if they want to spend the money/ time to get them diagnosed. Otherwise- anyone could say they have anything.

As to- shouldn't every sound minded adult have the right to end their own life? Of course- our lives belong to us. When it comes to expecting loved ones to be pleased and supportive of that though- that seems more unlikely. It could potentially deeply hurt them. They may not believe that person is suffering that badly. They likely do believe that person could get better. if they love that person- they would prefer to see them happy again rather than dead. That's the difference ultimately I guess. I think they truly believe that recovery is possible for most people. So- to them, suicide cuts off that possibility for that person- which they see as genuinely tragic I suppose.

Seems odd to me when you sometimes see in newspaper reports that the person had been suffering with say depression for years yet, somehow their families still thought they had a bright future ahead. But, there we go. I don't fully understand pro-lifers.

 

[sanction]

To be honest, despite us disagreeing with pro-lifers, I do have to say at the end of the day, they are actually doing this with positive intentions, and it mainly comes from a good place in their heart

In the end, they simply just don't want to see people getting hurt. Because many years ago, at one point I was also happy with life, or at least felt alright with it. So if anyone told me they were depressed or suicidal, I wouldn't be able to understand it enough, simply because I haven't experienced certain negative things yet. Therefore, simply out of kindness, I may also suggest them to try improving

If I were to catch someone committing suicide, I would also try to prevent it from happening (if I am able to), with 100% pure and good intentions. Because I would assume they are just temporarily lost in life, so should try to help them get pass this stage, and then everything will eventually work itself out as time pass. Of course this is naive thinking, but I had no idea back then

Its similar to humans seeing animals injured or hurt, and they would try to rescue it, so it could recover and live longer. Its not because they are evil, so purposely want to keep it alive, just so it can keep going through life's daily suffering non-stop

Many humans are just naive in general, but most of these pro-lifers actually do have good intentions, just that they are unknowingly doing it wrong

 

[BlockHammer]

Lot of people gave good answer regarding to this topic but for me, my answer would be to maintance their worldview. Well some people, prolife or not, they might have this world view that need to be keep in check cause you know,bad things happened and in order to not fall into this rabbit hole was to be as positive as possible even if it comes to interfering with other people live, it also needs to be said that maybe this prolifter can't handle peer pressure so that's why they desperately told everyone else about the beauty of keep on living if a lot of people believe in otherwise, i thing this person gonna get pressured to thing that death is beatiful, causw like i said that this person might can't handle peer pressure

And if im being honest, being cynical or depressed can fuck you up, at worst, it gonna lead you to suicide and i think lots of people just want to be happy, not wanting to death, that's why they were being obnoxious and forced their worldview to other. But regardless rejecting suicide too much to the point of them being like this, it only gonna backfired to them one day, that's what i believed

In short those prolifter needs validation so they can maintain their world view, there might be a prolifter who just want us to get better but most of them doing it in the most obnoxious way possible

 

[notforl0ng]

To put it simple I think it's to feel better about themselves. "I have to suffer here and so do you, life is a gift!"

 

[AdamOndiAhman]

Why do pro-lifers feel the need to control and restrict other peoples' right to die? I don't understand this. It's not their life, why do they care about whether we die or not? Why are they so adamant against us dying? They don't even know us. I don't think they even care about us, they just want to restrict our right to die and preserve our lives instead.

look up 'pro life spiderman' on youtube. bro literally scales skyscrapers to bring attention to pro life movements. and he had an interview with tucker carlson where he was like yh straight up abortion is murder (its not) and he scales skyscrapers to bring attention to that delusional opinion.
i guess its just a product of being insane? idk. or a thirst for control over others and doing anything possible to get that control? i really dont know.