Why do people care about painful methods?

[pharmacoepia]

Before you go bezerk on me, let me clear it up.

I'm asking why people are so scared of painful CTB if they also think that there is eternal peace after death? For me, I personally believe that it is nothingness; same as before the egg that made me was fertilized. Even if you believe in the afterlife, you have to realize that your plan to CTB will be a sin no matter the method, so either way, if you believe in one of the religions that views suicide as a sin, your going to hell anyways. Is it really that bad when the outcome is same?

For those who believe in nothingness, the adverseness to painful methods is even more confusing for me. If you can't think in the abyss, then the pain from self-immolation or methanol poisoning or whatever the hell you choose will be a blink of an eye.

Can somebody who is scared of painful methods really clear this up for me?

 

[charlotte_]

I think this doesn't have much to do with beliefs, just mostly about physical capabilities and your SI. I wish death every single day, but cannot do it bcz I have low pain tolerance. Whenever I try to attempt smth painful, the pain pushes my SI to the max and I end up chickening out. As long as I'm aware of the pain, I can't control my actions. At the end, we're all humans trapped in the mundane desires and fears of our bodies. Just some more than others. Hopefully this helps

 

[Vizzy]

Before you go bezerk on me, let me clear it up.

I'm asking why people are so scared of painful CTB if they also think that there is eternal peace after death? For me, I personally believe that it is nothingness; same as before the egg that made me was fertilized. Even if you believe in the afterlife, you have to realize that your plan to CTB will be a sin no matter the method, so either way, if you believe in one of the religions that views suicide as a sin, your going to hell anyways. Is it really that bad when the outcome is same?

For those who believe in nothingness, the adverseness to painful methods is even more confusing for me. If you can't think in the abyss, then the pain from self-immolation or methanol poisoning or whatever the hell you choose will be a blink of an eye.

Can somebody who is scared of painful methods really clear this up for me?

People who are scared of ctb are not scared of the process itself, they are just scared of the failure which can leave them as a vegetable

I believe it is nothingness after death, same like you

This statement "Even if you believe in the afterlife, you have to realize that your plan to CTB will be a sin no matter the method, so either way, if you believe in one of the religions that views suicide as a sin, your going to hell anyways. Is it really that bad when the outcome is same?", let's take the scenario that after life and eternal life exists how can you be sure that ctb is a sin in eternal life maybe it can be considered as a sympathetic thing, maybe humans are right about afterlife but wrong that hell exist or wrong that ctb is a sin in the eternal life, by this ideology I won't say anyone to choose whatever methods they want because it is not proven yet

For this statement "For those who believe in nothingness, the adverseness to painful methods is even more confusing for me. If you can't think in the abyss, then the pain from self-immolation or methanol poisoning or whatever the hell you choose will be a blink of an eye.", I would say for humans to choose painful methods they should be pushed to a corner where they can't do anything or no other options than ctb and most important is they wanna do it quick but for a person with time and money they gonna do research on how to do it painless as possible best explanation would be that's how human brain works

I am scared of painful methods and I explained it to you but if I am pushed to a corner and I want to do it quick for sure I will choose a painful method!

 

[TAW122]

@pockettan and @Vizzy pretty much said it pretty well. I pretty much fear about the pain (I'm pain averse) as well as reliability and the consequence of failure (hence I would not just do any method that has a high probability of failure and I would prepare extensively to ensure the highest chance of success) one of which is being locked up in an institution and having even less means to CTB, a worse life than before. Additionally, becoming a vegetable is a fate that is worse than death itself.

 

[loyalskateboard]

I just really, really don't like pain. In theory I could jump in front of a train but the pain and agony prevents me from doing it. Same with partial. If you don't get it exactly right the exploding head feeling hurts so bad. That's why SN is my preference. Having said that, there is still pain/discomfort involved. It's just reduced. I don't know why I can't suck it up, survival instinct I guess.

 

[Kundalini Guy]

It's not easy when your mind wants to die but your body and literally everything else in it wants you to live. There is a reason why soldiers in WW2 were given cyanide pills, its not easy even with insta death methods like guns.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I think it's mainly the unknowing part though- HOW much pain will this cause? HOW long will it last? WILL it 100% kill me outright? If we knew the answers 100%- maybe more would take on a painful method.

Out of interest- what's the most painful thing you have endured? Mine was gallstone pain and eventually- a stone in the bile duct. If I KNEW my suicide would entail that kind of pain again but I would DEFINITELY die- I'd do it. It's the not knowing though.

Put it this way- the first gallstone attack I had was like pain I'd never experienced before. Imagine your chest in a vice, chronic abdominal pain, difficulty breathing. I assumed it was a heart attack. I didn't call for an ambulance though- because I was willing to die. After 30 mins ish of chronic pain and 2 hours of feeling like shit- it subsided though. I had 13 more attacks in the coming weeks. The last of which- the pain hadn't subsided for 2-3 days. It was clear that whatever it was, it likely wasn't going to kill me quickly- so- I got it sorted out.

It's the unknowing that is the worst of it though- none of us know with a DIY attempt- just how much pain we'll have to put up with and for how long. Can we keep our resolve that whole time- or, will we call for help? Will it even work? Or, will it cripple us for the rest of our lives?

I guess I'm curious about you- What drew you to a suicide forum? Was it not to seek out peaceful, reliable methods? I imagine that's what brings most people here.

 

[squirley]

Before you go bezerk on me, let me clear it up.

I'm asking why people are so scared of painful CTB if they also think that there is eternal peace after death?

Eternal peace?
or Eternal damnation, wouldn't it be? Depending if it's considered a sin or not.

For me, I personally believe that it is nothingness; same as before the egg that made me was fertilized.

Yah this makes sense.
Nothing before. Nothing after.
Who knows maybe you turn into a emu or a bee. Lul.

Even if you believe in the afterlife, you have to realize that your plan to CTB will be a sin no matter the method, so either way, if you believe in one of the religions that views suicide as a sin, your going to hell anyways. Is it really that bad when the outcome is same?

So if you're eventually going to
"burn in Hell for all eternity" for a sin.
(or however it goes)
You should stab your self 50 times completely sober. And slowly bleed out.
Drink rat poison? And have a tortuous amount of pain before death.
But why?
Causing you physical and mental harm.
Instead of just finding the least painful way to go? Wouldn't you want your last moments to be peaceful before " heaven or hell"

For those who believe in nothingness, the adverseness to painful methods is even more confusing for me. If you can't think in the abyss, then the pain from self-immolation or methanol poisoning or whatever the hell you choose will be a blink of an eye.

you're asking before hand though. Before you enter the abyss of nothingness.
The pain of setting your self on fire won't be over in a blink of an eye. You ever see a video of someone on fire ? It's not pretty.
Why would you want to endure this before you go? Unless you enjoy pain? Compared to other methods.

Can somebody who is scared of painful methods really clear this up for me?

I'm not religious. Who really knows what happens after. People can believe whatever they'd like to find comfort or a reason to justify their ctb. Thats up to them.
Either way it doesn't matter to me.
I'd rather go out without blood squirting everywhere or my eye balls popping out of my head. While I'm still awake and alive.
My brain firing off signals of pain.
It seems pretty straight forward does it not?.

What is your method?
You'd rather be eaten alive by a cannibal. ?
Or a shotty to the head. ?
Just as an example question..

 

[Bobert_Beniro]

I perfectly understand what you are talking about, while we exist, we experience pain when we die, no. But why should I spend the last minutes of my life in pain if I have suffered enough before? And even more so, if the end is the same for everyone, then painless methods are preferable

 

[birdofafeather]

I personally am a believer in the nothing theory. Some religious friends have looked upon me with great horror when I tell them that, and one of them outright told me that sounds awful and they hope I find a happier outlook on death. (Which is weird, because I am incredibly content with the nothing.)
The thing I fear is the 7 minutes of brain activity after death. As we don't know much about it, there is a chance it could be an eternity to the corpse, like how in dreams you can live an entire life, with a family, and grow old together, and then wake up about 2 hours later, having to deal with the fact that none of it was real. Again, there is a tendency that if you're in a terrible state of mind, your dreams tend to be torture, so I don't want to risk this sort of perpetual state of suffering as my final feelings and thoughts. I just want peace.
I understand that all of this is just mere speculation due to the lack of conclusive research, but it's a possibility I cannot, in good conscience discount.

 

[Kasumi]

I think that's just how most of us work, even though we have the ability to think ahead and make short term sacrifice for long term gain, in the end our biology is just that strong.
Most people will avoid painful or otherwise negative things even when avoiding them now leads to even more pain in the future.

 

[dreamist]

For me, the reason is that I'm just afraid of pain. My pain tolerance is not very high which is high I'm constantly searching for methods are either quick or painless. I don't know if it's survival instinct or just me, lol.

 

[FuneralCry]

The fact is that if one tries to ctb by a painful method then the higher chance there is of the survival instinct kicking in, stopping that person from going through with ctb. Even if one is aware that suicide is the most logical option then the survival instinct can still kick in, as we are all programmed to survive, it's how we've evolved.
And failed attempts can lead to even worse suffering, potentially even permanent damage which is what terrifies me, there's nothing confusing about any of this, to me it makes so much sense why someone would want their suicide method as peaceful and reliable as possible, because attempting a painful method could very easily just lead to even more suffering instead of the ideal state of non-existence, I find comfort in the thought of being gone but I fear experiencing worse pain.

 

[Snake9111]

For the fear i think

 

[Das Nichts]

I don't see a connection between being a nihilist and not wanting to die in a fucking painfull way.

 

[Valky]

I also don't see the connection here. Just because you are dead anyways doesn't mean that you should suffer in your last moment. This is giving me 'you can sleep when you're dead vibes'. Heck no, I wanna sleep now.

Also, reminder that people love bending religion to their own stances. Committing suicide doesn't automatically mean that you are going to hell.

 

[DazaiKinnie]

Before you go bezerk on me, let me clear it up.

I'm asking why people are so scared of painful CTB if they also think that there is eternal peace after death? For me, I personally believe that it is nothingness; same as before the egg that made me was fertilized. Even if you believe in the afterlife, you have to realize that your plan to CTB will be a sin no matter the method, so either way, if you believe in one of the religions that views suicide as a sin, your going to hell anyways. Is it really that bad when the outcome is same?

For those who believe in nothingness, the adverseness to painful methods is even more confusing for me. If you can't think in the abyss, then the pain from self-immolation or methanol poisoning or whatever the hell you choose will be a blink of an eye.

Can somebody who is scared of painful methods really clear this up for me?

From my personal experience, I have tried painful ones and they didn't work, I made sure to give up on them if the risk of me being disabled or injured long term is high. It's mostly about failing and having more damage done to you than it already is.

 

[SexyIncél]

Two reasons:

• will my experience of my last moments subjectively stretch out into infinity? If there's even a chance of that, it's unwise to escape suffering by ensuring I perceive an eternity of suffering!
• why not have a pleasant last moment? It seems a basic calculation of the sentient beings I know, to increase pleasure and decrease suffering. And many of those who choose suffering derive some kind of masochistic pleasure

 

[UseItOrLoseIt]

Pain is a scary thing. Pain overrides everything when it's present. Maybe you don't think that, that's fair, but I surely do. I see what you're saying. It's a rewarding tradeoff to endure a bit (a lot usually) pain for eternal piece. If you have N or a shotgun that's fine and congrats. But looking at that nose and imagining your entire weight is held by your neck is tertifying. At least to me. It's not a small task to kill a human body.
I have a pretty good tolerance to pain believe me, but the agony of dying is something else. I've actually survived all my pain encounters and some of them were pretty bad. Wouldn't repeat any of them.
I don't know. You have a valid point. It's irrational fear. The impulse of life. SI. Life don't want to be dead and you can put that in stone. Our mind does, our body doesn't.

 

[Eudaimonic]

Pain and suffering are what most of us seek to escape. It would therefore be strange not to care. Pain and suffering should matter indiscriminately if they matter at all. There is also the possibility of failure to consider. Failure means that one will be left not only with the sequelae of the failed attempt but also with the emotional trauma of the method itself if it is a painful one. Furthermore, the same argument could be used to (mistakenly) rationalize indifference to ALL pain and suffering experienced in a being's lifetime since there isn't a clearcut threshold.

In addition, speaking for myself, I want my death to be what my life couldn't be: painless and peaceful. I consider it the extension of a final courtesy toward myself. After all of the pain I have inflicted on myself, inadvertently or otherwise, I deserve at least this.