Discussion Why do Men have higher suicide rates than women?

[Fadeaway_bankz]

Why do Men have higher suicide rates than women? Just curious?

 

[Namelesa]

Cus they often use more violent effective methods such as firearms and so are more likely to have a successful suicide attempt.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Cus they often use more violent violent effective methods such as firearms and so are more likely to have a successful suicide attempt.

edit: source based on your claim of "firearm use"


Suicide Methods

One of the most important reasons for the difference between suicide attempts and completed suicides between men and women is the method of suicide used. Men who were married were more likely to use firearms, whereas unmarried men were more likely to die by hanging.Nov 12, 2024


Link to article:

Are There Gender Differences in Suicide and Suicidal Behaviors?

Learn more about the suicide rate in men vs. women, why there are differences in genders, and the methods by which each gender is most likely to die by suicide.

www.verywellmind.com

 

[Dejected 55]

I think society and psychology have a lot to do with it. While it pisses them off (and I completely understand why), a lot of women who commit suicide are talked about afterwards like "she was too pretty" or some other such thing to indicate they feel bad for the woman who killed herself. On the flip side, once you get past immediate friends or family, when men commit suicide, society in general tends to react more like "he was weak" or "he couldn't handle it" or something less sympathetic and more blaming the victim.

i.e. society tends to sympathize more with a woman's death than with a man's via suicide. Women in life are also more strongly supported and encouraged to admit they need help and seek therapy, whereas men are told to "suck it up" and "be a man" and are generally discouraged from being vulnerable and asking/seeking help.

So I think the result is, when a man gets to that point he is more likely to want to succeed and less hoping to get attention and be helped because he has already seen no one is coming to help him. So the man is more apt to choose a more definitive exit. A woman, on the other hand has a higher chance of being helped if she fails or is stopped... so I suspect there is a higher number of women doing it for that attention and secretly hoping not to die, but to get help.

Mind you I'm NOT diminishing anyone's desperation or pain here... and I'm not saying all women want attention. I'm just saying society has demonstrated a woman is more likely to be offered help than a man is... and I think that factors in when you are at the end of your rope and looking for a way out.

The absolute worst of us in how we feel, if we could truly be helped... the people in pain if their pain could be cured, if the mental diseases could be cured, if the life-situations could be corrected, etc... IF the worst of us could be helped, we would take it. It's just when you get to that point you've usually found that there is no help for you and your hope is gone. And society mostly support that... but are still more sympathetic to a woman at the edge of her rope than a man at the edge of his, on average.

 

[frayed]

I think society and psychology have a lot to do with it. While it pisses them off (and I completely understand why), a lot of women who commit suicide are talked about afterwards like "she was too pretty" or some other such thing to indicate they feel bad for the woman who killed herself. On the flip side, once you get past immediate friends or family, when men commit suicide, society in general tends to react more like "he was weak" or "he couldn't handle it" or something less sympathetic and more blaming the victim.

i.e. society tends to sympathize more with a woman's death than with a man's via suicide. Women in life are also more strongly supported and encouraged to admit they need help and seek therapy, whereas men are told to "suck it up" and "be a man" and are generally discouraged from being vulnerable and asking/seeking help.

So I think the result is, when a man gets to that point he is more likely to want to succeed and less hoping to get attention and be helped because he has already seen no one is coming to help him. So the man is more apt to choose a more definitive exit. A woman, on the other hand has a higher chance of being helped if she fails or is stopped... so I suspect there is a higher number of women doing it for that attention and secretly hoping not to die, but to get help.

Mind you I'm NOT diminishing anyone's desperation or pain here... and I'm not saying all women want attention. I'm just saying society has demonstrated a woman is more likely to be offered help than a man is... and I think that factors in when you are at the end of your rope and looking for a way out.

The absolute worst of us in how we feel, if we could truly be helped... the people in pain if their pain could be cured, if the mental diseases could be cured, if the life-situations could be corrected, etc... IF the worst of us could be helped, we would take it. It's just when you get to that point you've usually found that there is no help for you and your hope is gone. And society mostly support that... but are still more sympathetic to a woman at the edge of her rope than a man at the edge of his, on average.

you've summed it up

 

[dead dav]

Men are also less likely to seek help for mental health problems due to historic stigma men are supposed to be strong and deal with things themselves

 

[cowboypants]

Women do self harm etc as coping but men are taught to man up so the outcomes when they eventually do have higher lethal rate.

And men are more likely to plan it, than do it impulsively. I have seen that here too

 

[TheVanishingPoint]

Because in our society a man is allowed to die but not to fall apart. Men die by suicide more often than women not because they suffer more and not because they are weaker, but because they die in silence, choosing more lethal, faster, and more irreversible methods. Culture has taught them not to fail. And even in suicide, many men feel they must not get it wrong. A man who asks for help is still seen as an anomaly. He is expected to endure, to fix, to keep standing no matter what. Pain must be buried. Tears are shameful. Emptiness is a private affair. So when the weight becomes unbearable, he doesn't look for a shoulder. He looks for a way out. Many men lack the emotional tools to express themselves. Not because they are cold or detached, but because they have been taught that fragility is a flaw. So they isolate. And when they finally collapse, no one notices until it is too late. The male role is in crisis. The father is no longer a guide. Work is unstable. Masculinity is a tired caricature. For many men, suicide becomes a desperate form of control, the final choice in a world that has made them invisible. It is not just a biological issue, but a social one. A society that doesn't hear men when they are in pain, but mourns them only when they become a number in a chart. Maybe one day we will ask ourselves how many lives could have been saved if only we had the courage to teach a man that being vulnerable does not make you less of a man. It makes you human.

 

[tulero]

men tend to be more aggressive (or use more aggressive methods to self-harm) when it comes to ctb

 

[Forever Sleep]

I believe the statistics are that women attempt more but, men succeed more:

'Research shows women attempt suicide 1.5 times more than men, yet men account for more deaths.'
Source: https://cams-care.com/resources/educational-content/the-gender-paradox-of-suicide/

I think an interesting question would be- if peaceful methods were freely available, would the figures remain the same? Or, would more women succeed in their attempts?

Because in our society a man is allowed to die but not to fall apart. Men die by suicide more often than women not because they suffer more and not because they are weaker, but because they die in silence, choosing more lethal, faster, and more irreversible methods. Culture has taught them not to fail. And even in suicide, many men feel they must not get it wrong. A man who asks for help is still seen as an anomaly. He is expected to endure, to fix, to keep standing no matter what. Pain must be buried. Tears are shameful. Emptiness is a private affair. So when the weight becomes unbearable, he doesn't look for a shoulder. He looks for a way out. Many men lack the emotional tools to express themselves. Not because they are cold or detached, but because they have been taught that fragility is a flaw. So they isolate. And when they finally collapse, no one notices until it is too late. The male role is in crisis. The father is no longer a guide. Work is unstable. Masculinity is a tired caricature. For many men, suicide becomes a desperate form of control, the final choice in a world that has made them invisible. It is not just a biological issue, but a social one. A society that doesn't hear men when they are in pain, but mourns them only when they become a number in a chart. Maybe one day we will ask ourselves how many lives could have been saved if only we had the courage to teach a man that being vulnerable does not make you less of a man. It makes you human.

I agree with this. What I don't understand is- with so many men clearly feeling these pressures, why don't they do more to support one another? One major observation is that women (apparently) 'get' more peer support from one another. That doesn't happen by accident though and, it doesn't happen at all if we don't choose to open up and make it happen. (I don't currently have a female gang to support me because, I haven't made the effort to make or retain friendships.)

But, it's clearly a common feeling among men now. So, why is is still so shameful to 'confess' to- if the likelihood is, so many others are feeling it too?

 

[TheVanishingPoint]

I agree with this. What I don't understand is- with so many men clearly feeling these pressures, why don't they do more to support one another? One major observation is that women (apparently) 'get' more peer support from one another. That doesn't happen by accident though and, it doesn't happen at all if we don't choose to open up and make it happen. (I don't currently have a female gang to support me because, I haven't made the effort to make or retain friendships.)

But, it's clearly a common feeling among men now. So, why is is still so shameful to 'confess' to- if the likelihood is, so many others are feeling it too?

That's a legitimate question, and I appreciate how clearly you've asked it.
The way I see it, many men simply do not trust emotional reciprocity. They've grown up in environments where opening up meant exposing yourself, and exposing yourself meant losing respect. Pain was always something to be managed privately, never something to be shared.

When a man breaks down, he often does so alone, in silence, without even having the words to describe what's happening. Even among friends, most men don't know how to respond to emotional pain. They change the subject, make a joke, or minimize it. It's not a lack of empathy. It's a cultural reflex.

Women, on average, have been socialized toward connection. Men have been socialized toward competition. And in competition, asking for help means losing ground.

You're right that if everyone opened up, maybe something would change. But the truth is, no one wants to be the first to do it. There's too much fear of being judged, ridiculed, or simply not understood.

And it's exactly that fear that keeps the wall in place.

 

[Forever Sleep]

That's a legitimate question, and I appreciate how clearly you've asked it.
The way I see it, many men simply do not trust emotional reciprocity. They've grown up in environments where opening up meant exposing yourself, and exposing yourself meant losing respect. Pain was always something to be managed privately, never something to be shared.

When a man breaks down, he often does so alone, in silence, without even having the words to describe what's happening. Even among friends, most men don't know how to respond to emotional pain. They change the subject, make a joke, or minimize it. It's not a lack of empathy. It's a cultural reflex.

Women, on average, have been socialized toward connection. Men have been socialized toward competition. And in competition, asking for help means losing ground.

You're right that if everyone opened up, maybe something would change. But the truth is, no one wants to be the first to do it. There's too much fear of being judged, ridiculed, or simply not understood.

And it's exactly that fear that keeps the wall in place.

That makes a lot of sense. I was always struck by someone I used to work with. This guy looked so tough. A kind of bouncer type frame. Like he could kill you without breaking a sweat. True to form though, he was a gentle giant. He was so aware of mental health too because the company we worked for had pushed him right over the edge at one point.

I was always so impressed with how open he was about it and, how much he supported other people- both men and women. I just thought- it would be amazing if there were more role models like him. No one would dare question his masculinity yet, he was so open to be vulnerable and support others.

That in itself was impressive. It takes a great deal of strength to support others when you're struggling yourself. I think he managed to do the impressive thing of falling down and coming out stronger. With support though. He always credited his wife. I think maybe that could have been part of it too. He was keen to give to others what he received himself.

Do you suppose there will be an emancipation for men eventually? Women broke free of their stereotypes eventually. Demanded to have the opportunity to work, vote and be independent. Will men someday realise that this macho image they're trying to portray/ live up to, actually isn't doing them any favours do you suppose?

Do you suppose another issue is the want to attract women? Is it the fear that appearing vulnerable might be unattractive?

Even if it were more secretive though- surely it could happen? A forum like this even but for struggling men to open up and receive peer support. Hopefully with less of a reputation as the incel groups.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

I think it´s the result of evolution. Compared to men women have to take more care of themselves due to their built-in incubator and the long gestation period. If 80% of the male population risk their lives and sacrifice themselves for the survival of the woman and brood, the population will survive. If 80% of the female population is killed, the population will very likely die out.
Today males still live more risky than females, more than 80% of the murderes are males. So it is not surprising that about 75% of the suicides are committed by males.

 

[TheVanishingPoint]

That makes a lot of sense. I was always struck by someone I used to work with. This guy looked so tough. A kind of bouncer type frame. Like he could kill you without breaking a sweat. True to form though, he was a gentle giant. He was so aware of mental health too because the company we worked for had pushed him right over the edge at one point.

I was always so impressed with how open he was about it and, how much he supported other people- both men and women. I just thought- it would be amazing if there were more role models like him. No one would dare question his masculinity yet, he was so open to be vulnerable and support others.

That in itself was impressive. It takes a great deal of strength to support others when you're struggling yourself. I think he managed to do the impressive thing of falling down and coming out stronger. With support though. He always credited his wife. I think maybe that could have been part of it too. He was keen to give to others what he received himself.

Do you suppose there will be an emancipation for men eventually? Women broke free of their stereotypes eventually. Demanded to have the opportunity to work, vote and be independent. Will men someday realise that this macho image they're trying to portray/ live up to, actually isn't doing them any favours do you suppose?

Do you suppose another issue is the want to attract women? Is it the fear that appearing vulnerable might be unattractive?

Even if it were more secretive though- surely it could happen? A forum like this even but for struggling men to open up and receive peer support. Hopefully with less of a reputation as the incel groups.

You asked a question that, beneath its gentle surface, opens a void
Can a man truly emancipate himself, or is the very idea of masculinity a cage that only changes shape, not substance

Women have historically conquered certain freedoms, yes
But men, at least in the Western model, have never been free
They were born already wearing a mask, a shield, a script in their hand
They were told what to do, what to be, what to silently endure
Their role was never to live but to function
They were never allowed to simply exist
They had to serve
In war, in labor, in power, or in sacrifice

Showing vulnerability is not just risking being seen as less attractive
It means betraying an archetype
It means risking no longer being recognized as a man, but as something incomplete, broken, neutral
And in a society built on performance, neutrality is invisible, and the invisible is discarded

Perhaps male emancipation will never be collective
Perhaps it will never be celebrated
Perhaps it will be only the solitary act of someone who, tired of performing, chooses to walk off stage without applause

Yes, it would be beautiful
A place where men and women can disarm each other
But as long as value is measured by power, dominance, utility, and desirability
Vulnerability will always be seen as a design flaw

 

[Forever Sleep]

You asked a question that, beneath its gentle surface, opens a void
Can a man truly emancipate himself, or is the very idea of masculinity a cage that only changes shape, not substance

Women have historically conquered certain freedoms, yes
But men, at least in the Western model, have never been free
They were born already wearing a mask, a shield, a script in their hand
They were told what to do, what to be, what to silently endure
Their role was never to live but to function
They were never allowed to simply exist
They had to serve
In war, in labor, in power, or in sacrifice

Showing vulnerability is not just risking being seen as less attractive
It means betraying an archetype
It means risking no longer being recognized as a man, but as something incomplete, broken, neutral
And in a society built on performance, neutrality is invisible, and the invisible is discarded

Perhaps male emancipation will never be collective
Perhaps it will never be celebrated
Perhaps it will be only the solitary act of someone who, tired of performing, chooses to walk off stage without applause

Yes, it would be beautiful
A place where men and women can disarm each other
But as long as value is measured by power, dominance, utility, and desirability
Vulnerability will always be seen as a design flaw

I don't think women (at least historically) have had less pressures on them. For centuries, they were given very strict roles to perform. They've only managed to break free of those stereotypes because they fought and suffered- even died to do it. I imagine the world wars made a big difference for modern women. Suddenly, they had to go out to work. They demanded the right to vote etc. Women have had to fight tooth and claw to change legislation simply to live a somewhat equal life to a man.

What will fundamentally change for a man if they stand up and say: 'I need some help over here!'? The guy I mentioned at my workplace held a very high position. He still does. He didn't get the sack because he needed time off to re-group. Most people absolutely adored him. Even more so after that. It didn't fundamentally change who he was.

We exist as people in a space ultimately. That space can be accepting or hostile towards us. When there are prejudices. Race, sexuality, gender, age based- whatever- we have to call them out. Will the world really hate on the men who admit that they're finding it hard to cope? It hasn't been my experience in the things I've witnessed.

Another guy I knew of actually printed out a description of what was ailing him for his employees to read. They literally had to accept it- he was the boss! If I'm honest, I found that too much. I just thought- I doubt you realise what your staff are dealing with. Plenty of people are struggling. Besides, they would have supported him I'm sure- even without the print out. Maybe that does highlight though how much men feel they need to justify 'lapses'.

People have been fighting to be respected for themselves for ages though. Women, gay, trans. Those suffering with mental illness are perhaps in some ways also demanding that their limitations be recognised. Can men really not do the same without losing their entire identity?

Also surely- being vulnerable and asking for help is logically the stronger thing to do. Do you try and fight a battle with a broken shield and a broken leg? No- that would be stupid. You try and repair those things the best you can and then, get back out there.

Really though, as a society we do need to change to view expressing vulnerability- especially in men, as a form of strength. Which it is. It's a desire to overcome ultimately.

 

[tsykoais]

i did a research essay on it, it's a mix of these two

Cus they often use more violent effective methods such as firearms and so are more likely to have a successful suicide attempt.

Men are also less likely to seek help for mental health problems due to historic stigma men are supposed to be strong and deal with things themselves

 

[karakoltriste]

Because they use more violent methods but women make more attempts.

because women drive men to it

edit: source based on your claim of "firearm use"


Suicide Methods

One of the most important reasons for the difference between suicide attempts and completed suicides between men and women is the method of suicide used. Men who were married were more likely to use firearms, whereas unmarried men were more likely to die by hanging.Nov 12, 2024


Link to article:

Are There Gender Differences in Suicide and Suicidal Behaviors?

Learn more about the suicide rate in men vs. women, why there are differences in genders, and the methods by which each gender is most likely to die by suicide.

www.verywellmind.com

I guess you're joking with the first sentence ??

 

[Apathy79]

Agree with most of the points here. It's been a curiosity of mine for a while. Why do women have more suicide attempts yet men succeed more often, by such a huge margin, in all cultures, over such a long period, with no hint of even remote change to date?

The answers we're given: Because men use more effective methods (OK, but why?) and they don't ask for help, they take it all on themselves (OK, but why?). Also, neither of these explains why women make more attempts, unless viewed through the lens of the attempts themselves being women's way of asking for help, which doesn't feel right to me on such a mass scale.

There's some good attempts at answering the question here that are well thought out. I've given it a lot of thought and can't offer much that hasn't already been said, and it still doesn't feel like we've quite nailed the crux yet.

 

[LifeIsASadist]

I can assume most of the male suicides in question are from single men

 

[TheVanishingPoint]

I don't think women (at least historically) have had less pressures on them. For centuries, they were given very strict roles to perform. They've only managed to break free of those stereotypes because they fought and suffered- even died to do it. I imagine the world wars made a big difference for modern women. Suddenly, they had to go out to work. They demanded the right to vote etc. Women have had to fight tooth and claw to change legislation simply to live a somewhat equal life to a man.

What will fundamentally change for a man if they stand up and say: 'I need some help over here!'? The guy I mentioned at my workplace held a very high position. He still does. He didn't get the sack because he needed time off to re-group. Most people absolutely adored him. Even more so after that. It didn't fundamentally change who he was.

We exist as people in a space ultimately. That space can be accepting or hostile towards us. When there are prejudices. Race, sexuality, gender, age based- whatever- we have to call them out. Will the world really hate on the men who admit that they're finding it hard to cope? It hasn't been my experience in the things I've witnessed.

Another guy I knew of actually printed out a description of what was ailing him for his employees to read. They literally had to accept it- he was the boss! If I'm honest, I found that too much. I just thought- I doubt you realise what your staff are dealing with. Plenty of people are struggling. Besides, they would have supported him I'm sure- even without the print out. Maybe that does highlight though how much men feel they need to justify 'lapses'.

People have been fighting to be respected for themselves for ages though. Women, gay, trans. Those suffering with mental illness are perhaps in some ways also demanding that their limitations be recognised. Can men really not do the same without losing their entire identity?

Also surely- being vulnerable and asking for help is logically the stronger thing to do. Do you try and fight a battle with a broken shield and a broken leg? No- that would be stupid. You try and repair those things the best you can and then, get back out there.

Really though, as a society we do need to change to view expressing vulnerability- especially in men, as a form of strength. Which it is. It's a desire to overcome ultimately.

I truly appreciate your response
I do not question the experiences you shared or the possibility that, in some contexts, a different kind of space is really starting to open up
It matters that there are positive examples and that some people manage to find understanding, support, and humanity
I recognize and respect that

But what I keep asking myself is this
How much of it is truly accessible, systemic, universal
Or better yet
Does what we call progress really reach the structure
Or is it more like a localized adaptation, momentary, tolerated only as long as it does not make too much noise

Perhaps my view is more tired, more rooted in the doubt that what changes visibly is not enough to dismantle what remains buried beneath
The fact that a person's value is still measured by how well they function, how much they produce, how long they can stay upright even while collapsing inside

Respect for vulnerability exists, sometimes
But I fear it is more often granted than truly recognized
And what is granted can just as easily be taken away

I wish I were wrong
I wish the exceptions you describe would become the norm
But maybe my gaze was shaped in a time or a space where vulnerability was not a bridge
It was a crack that no one forgave

 

[karakoltriste]

Agree with most of the points here. It's been a curiosity of mine for a while. Why do women have more suicide attempts yet men succeed more often, by such a huge margin, in all cultures, over such a long period, with no hint of even remote change to date?

The answers we're given: Because men use more effective methods (OK, but why?) and they don't ask for help, they take it all on themselves (OK, but why?). Also, neither of these explains why women make more attempts, unless viewed through the lens of the attempts themselves being women's way of asking for help, which doesn't feel right to me on such a mass scale.

There's some good attempts at answering the question here that are well thought out. I've given it a lot of thought and can't offer much that hasn't already been said, and it still doesn't feel like we've quite nailed the crux yet.

In general, men use more violent methods because they're raised to be more violent, like not crying, being more rude, not asking for help (because they've been taught that "they're the stronger sex" and all that shit)... patriarchy also affects men.
Why do women try it more? Because we tend to suffer more from certain types of violence (which cause more trauma), such as sexual or domestic violence.

 

[Dot]

If ppl r goin2 mke genrlisd commnts abt mn vs womn & st8 thm as fct thn thy r goin2 nd 2 bck thm up othrwse ths thred wll needlssly trn in2 anothr gendr war & thre r enuf of thse on frum alrdy

 

[Apathy79]

The connection to violent crime is certainly interesting. Maybe that explains more of it than I give it credit. Men are accustomed to and know how to be violent, even towards themselves. Women aren't used to being violent and either don't know how or have an aversion to it, including to themselves. Again on broad scale averages, obviously plenty of individual exceptions but the generalisations might be useful enough to explain some of the difference in success rates. If you're capable of hurting or killing another person, you're probably capable of doing it to yourself, and vice versa.

 

[Intoxicated]

Pain must be buried. Tears are shameful. Emptiness is a private affair. So when the weight becomes unbearable, he doesn't look for a shoulder. He looks for a way out. Many men lack the emotional tools to express themselves. Not because they are cold or detached, but because they have been taught that fragility is a flaw. So they isolate. And when they finally collapse, no one notices until it is too late. The male role is in crisis. The father is no longer a guide. Work is unstable. Masculinity is a tired caricature. For many men, suicide becomes a desperate form of control, the final choice in a world that has made them invisible. It is not just a biological issue, but a social one. A society that doesn't hear men when they are in pain, but mourns them only when they become a number in a chart. Maybe one day we will ask ourselves how many lives could have been saved if only we had the courage to teach a man that being vulnerable does not make you less of a man. It makes you human.

That theory sounds like men commonly feel the urge to use some emotional tampon, but hesitate to do so because they were taught that men are not supposed to use tampons. While this may be true for some men, I don't relate to such explanation at all, and I have severe doubts that the majority of men would do.

Firstly, crying with tears is not the only possible form of expressing high degree of unsatisfaction with something. From time to time I fall into the state of anger or rage, but I almost never want to cry (can't even vaguely recall when I cried the last time). This has literally nothing to do with suppression of tears out of shame.

When I'm in shitty mood, I genuinely don't feel the need in any kind of emotional support. I don't seek for someone's shoulder because I believe that this won't help me at all rather than because of hesitation originating from fears to be compromised or something like that. I genuinely don't give a fuck about whether people around me feel pity for my situation or not, and expression of their empathy has no any value for me. Hearing platitudes like "I'm sorry about your troubles" or "I wish you well" only annoys me. I highly value conversations that include exchange of valuable or interesting information, but I have an intrinsic aversion to platitudes and thereby conversations consisting of sharing platitudes.

I can ask for help if I feel like my request can be productive in the practical sense, but I never do this in the form of crying or whining for gaining better attitude.

I guess, pep talks are helpful mostly for suggestible people, while highly developed critical mindset makes you consider such talks with notable skepticism. From my observations, in average, critical mindset is more developed in men than in women, and this may partially explain why men are less prone to seeking for such a kind of "help".

 

[sinfonia]

othrwse ths thred wll needlssly trn in2 anothr gendr war & thre r enuf of thse on frum alrdy

I'm pretty sure that was the intetion of this thread. The OP has made other, in my opinion, obvious ragebait threads before. Also check their post count & join date.

 

[NonEssential]

I wonder if it's said that women attempt to ctb more because men's ctb attempts are perhaps underreported?

 

[frayed]

I wonder if it's said that women attempt to ctb more because men's ctb attempts are perhaps underreported?

what counts as an attempt? where are these attempts usually logged?

 

[NonEssential]

what counts as an attempt? where are these attempts usually logged?

No idea. I wonder if just going to a bridge and considering to jump is an attempt or not.

 

[frayed]

No idea. I wonder if just going to a bridge and considering to jump is an attempt or not.

supposedly it's any action taken with the belief it will bring life to an end
if someone actually jumps off a bridge but lands on a ledge and survives, that might count as an attempt, i guess
seems even suicide attempts are massively under-reported
unless someone ends up in the er, the world may never know

 

[eattwinkiesseejesus]

Because paternal instincts are stronger in women, look at society. The rates of men who abandon their families and responsibilities by far exceed those of women, they have for centuries.