Discussion Why CBT when you don't know what comes after death?

[dogemn]

You can't be sure whether the pain will truly end, continue, or even worsen, so why do you plan to do it anyway? Is it because you fear continued existence more than the uncertainty of what lies beyond?

 

[mmmnnm]

Tbh I don't really care. As long as I can escape my situation right now. I don't even mind reincarnation, as long as it won't be a cockroach. But knowing my luck I'll end up a cockroach.

 

[dogemn]

Tbh I don't really care. As long as I can escape my situation right now. I don't even mind reincarnation, as long as it won't be a cockroach. But knowing my luck I'll end up a cockroach.

It'd be so cruel if someone who suffers so much they kill themselves just gets reborn and suffers even more.

 

[Wolf Girl]

This and guilt over hurting my mom are the reasons I have not ctb. I know death is most likely just non-existence, but I do worry sometimes.

 

[corpse]

To be honest, I'm very curious about what awaits me after death.

 

[Mr. Snrub]

I know we can't possibly know but going with just logic and observation non-existence after death should always be the betting man's choice. I realise logic and observation only apply to the phenomenal world of perception and not the world-in-itself but from our position it's all we have to work with. So my money is on non-existence.

 

[RyRyTheGoodGuy]

I'm new here. What does CTB stand for?

 

[Terrible_Life]

You can't be sure whether the pain will truly end, continue, or even worsen, so why do you plan to do it anyway? Is it because you fear continued existence more than the uncertainty of what lies beyond?

Because its an inhuman humiliation to stay here , being tortured and tortured while others who hadn't such bad luck enjoy their life. Its just disgusting to being forced to have a shit life literally for things a person couldn't do anything for. Yes what comes after we die…nobody knows but at least I ,my name, my face, my personality, my existence, my story it will end and that is worth it. Life is unfair and some humans get so bad cards in life that either they ctb or live an inhuman sad empty life without anything for many decades untik they die alone and sick somewhere.

 

[hoe_for_woe]

Gambling is fun

 

[princexhhn]

I'd rather try my luck than stay and do nothing.

 

[Anonymousa]

Cus I am confident its just non-existence just based on what we know now. Non-existence is best for me cus I don't care about happiness and just don't want to suffer at all. Anything else after death feels like just something made up by humans.

 

[PI3.14]

Probably because I'm in so much pain that not knowing what comes after death just isn't enough to stop me.

 

[GhostInTheMachine]

Probability says it's oblivion after death, so I like my odds.

 

[dogwolfybark]

It's very easy to get caught up in "what lies beyond" but I try not to do that.
Things like that make you even more anxious to ctb and we have
enough of a SI as there is. I delude myself into thinking there's absolute
nothingness after death. Even better I convince myself I can
be reborn into a way better life.

 

[Forever Sleep]

But then- you're assuming a few things here. That there will be negative consequences for ending our lives early.

I guess some religions clearly stipulate that but, in others, it's more unclear. We can't be sure there even is an afterlife. Can we assume we'll be treated better if we hang on and get struck down by some 'natural' illness?

Will people who've overindulged in alcohol, food, drugs be punished? Because they ruined their own health and, died young?

Maybe the reverse is true. Maybe God intends to kill us off sooner but, modern medicine intervenes. How many of us would already be dead without it? I would- most likely. Maybe God is angry with doctors for 'playing God'.

I know what you mean though. The uncertainty is troubling. But then, whatever I do, I don't imagine God will like me. I don't like them! So- maybe it's best to just confront the inevitably bad 'performance review' and get it over with.

Concerns about the afterlife are present for me but, they don't trouble me as much as failing an attempt and fear of the attempt itself. My bigger worries are around successfully ending this life.

 

[Grimlock]

The fear of the known can outweigh fear of the unknown. For many that gamble is worth it since staying here means guaranteeing you continue to suffer. We don't know what lies on the other side, or if there even is an other side and I am not sure why it's usually assumed to be some sort of negative fate. Those that decide to CTB just see it as a permanent escape to a very uncomfortable situation they didn't ask for. If there is nothing after death and we simply stop existing, we wont be able to do anything. On the other hand if we are in a position of intense suffering be it mental or physical, we know for certain that we will be experiencing pain, fear, shame, guilt, sadness, or confusion if we continue living. This is just how I see things.

 

[LunarEcho]

I think it's probably something like when you're sleeping. But who knows?

 

[Dejected 55]

The converse of this question is just as valid, but nobody ever asks it...

Why should I live for tomorrow when there is no guarantee living will be good? I could get hit by a bus, murdered, tortured, kidnapped, robbed, abused, fired from my job, kicked out of my house, betrayed by a trusted friend or partner... SO many bad things could happen, so why live?

 

[Off_Switch]

I'm new here. What does CTB stand for?

Catch the bus.

 

[INYGTRMTFMO]

I'm agnostic and inclined towards pantheism (ie the belief that "God" and the material universe are one in the same, that we are are part of the same cosmic organism), but if the Judeo-Christian version of Hell does hold true, it literally, objectively could not get any worse. At least I know what's coming next, even if that next is an eternity of suffering.

 

[badatparties]

This is the way i look at it. You're eventually going to die whether you CTB or not, so you will face what's on the other (or lack thereof) eventually. So it makes sense to take the gamble if life sucks too hard.

And no, there is zero proof about any bullshit religious claims of going to hell.

 

[nool]

I don't care what, if anything, comes after this. I just want relief from the present, and whatever happens in the future is in the future.

 

[badatparties]

To be honest, I'm very curious about what awaits me after death.

I hope it's either nothing or something good. Hopefully we aren't in for a bigger shit sandwich.

 

[kopebaldy]

Why jumping off a burning building?

Because regardless of what will happen after, right now I'm fucking burning and it hurts like a bitch, mate.

 

[strawberry931]

You can't be sure whether the pain will truly end, continue, or even worsen, so why do you plan to do it anyway? Is it because you fear continued existence more than the uncertainty of what lies beyond?

Because my life ended at the beginning of June. For what my future is I concluded I would rather see what awaits me on the other side.

 

[FuneralCry]

I certainly do fear suffering for way longer in this existence, I always find it so dreadful to exist and I wish to permanently cease existing as I find it so deeply undesirable to exist in every way possible.

I'll always see existence as the most dreadful, torturous abomination that just causes and brings so much suffering all for the sake of it and problems there were never a need for with no limit as to how much one can be tortured and I find it terrifying how a human can be burdened with this existence for so long just to die in agony from old age, all I want is to not exist, I believe death to simply be non-existence which is all I see as positive, I'll only be at peace in dreamless, eternal sleep where all is finally forgotten.

 

[BlockHammer]

Well, either me nor everyone else is able to prove heaven and hell, as for the permanent injuries it can be frightning but, i'm more afraid if i had to live like this a long time until i got old.

 

[Zardoz]

We're all going to die.
It's the one certainty of life.
There's no big deal about it.

 

[Xeno12481632]

You can't be sure whether the pain will truly end, continue, or even worsen, so why do you plan to do it anyway? Is it because you fear continued existence more than the uncertainty of what lies beyond?

I may not know for sure if my pain will end after death, but it surely wont end at all if i do keep living

 

[Ligottian]

I once had a co-worker who said he once asked his atheist father what he would do if he he died and saw Jesus Christ. "Oh shit" was said to have been his reply.
For full disclosure, I'm an atheist myself.