Tricondyla ledouxi
Student
- Jan 2, 2023
- 132
Why can't they make a Nembutal pill? Or better yet, just a painless death pill? So much knowledge and scientific research for what?
WhiteRabbit
I'm late, i'm late. For a very important date.
- Feb 12, 2019
- 1,384
There probably isn't enough money in it right now. If more places legalize euthanasia, there will be more research conducted on making better drugs.
BornHated
God may judge, but his sins outnumber your own.
- Nov 19, 2022
- 96
Aside from the research and legality- because of societal taboo on euthanasia on humans. The average person would only see that as a severe, drastic measure to be done by a professional like is done with suffering pets.
Suicide is still hugely taboo so they'd rather a *professional* be there to have to inject anything than let someone have the self-will to do it themselves.
Suicide is still hugely taboo so they'd rather a *professional* be there to have to inject anything than let someone have the self-will to do it themselves.
I'm sure they could. Someone posted a short documentary on a lady (in Canada I believe) who was granted assisted suicide via pills.
Still, I imagine liquid is faster absorbed by the body.
Still, I imagine liquid is faster absorbed by the body.
Cyanide pills already exist and have since WW2. They are supposed to knock the user out in seconds.
Tricondyla ledouxi
Student
- Jan 2, 2023
- 132
Yeah I doubt you can buy a premade pill unless you work for the CIA but I am pretty sure cyanide is not hard to get, its used a lot in metal work such as for gold etc.
I think in voluntary assisted suicide they can offer pills instead of the liquid IV administration but since there is a possibility to throw up with anything you swallow and have SI kick in, the majority will prefer having the IV for a guaranteed peaceful exit
how come? To the best of my knowledge, cyanides kills by suffocation. Your agony may last for 2-3 minutes. All this time, you remain fully aware. Correct me if I am wrong: https://biology.stackexchange.com/questions/60399/is-death-by-cyanide-the-same-as-suffocation
TAW122
Emissary of the right to die.
- Aug 30, 2018
- 6,690
Many good answers here and beside the societal taboo against CTB and capitalism, on the clinical aspect, @SorrowMind pretty much summarized it up pretty well. Having a person swallow a pill may result in them ejecting said pill out of the body's SI kicking in. Furthermore, the onset of action with pills and tablets take much longer than the IV route. IANAD (I'm not a doctor) and this isn't medical advice.
They can, we still wouldn't be able to get our hands on it though. They're controlled drugs.
krxbs
a bleeding heart </3
- Jan 24, 2023
- 71
to be fair, i feel like it's hard to profit off of suicide in general. suicide pills are the only kind of drug that you wouldn't be able to sell to a steady customer base, because... well, you only need to buy it once lol. if it's not done for profit motive, then i can't imagine it would be done for the sake of healthcare either; most, if not all countries would still prefer to try to "fix" you and send you back into the workforce rather than allow you to ctb for good. it would probably be a slowly moving field of research & development no matter what, in my opinion.
ethical, philosophical and humanitary reasons aside, it just doesn't sound like a practical avenue to go down for most researchers or commercial producers.
ephemerality
slipping into a dream
- Jan 24, 2023
- 15
i feel like suicide is far too stigmatized for any of the major pharma corps to want to be seen as even slightly promoting it. hopefully in the near future the stigma fades a little because the science is obviously there. N was never developed as a "suicide drug", so producing a pill in a dosage suitable for suicide is something i don't really see happening, what i see more realistically is something new being developed for that purpose if euthanasia becomes "mainstream".
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locked*n*loaded
Archangel
- Apr 15, 2022
- 7,264
The prisons can't even obtain the drugs they need to kill the people on death row. Most companies don't want to have their products associated with death. At least not human death. It's that simple.
The Abyss
Why're we still here, just to suffer?
- Dec 19, 2019
- 259
The owners need you working to feed them your lifeblood.
Do you know any sources of Phenobarbital/Pentobarbital? Those are raw substances to produce strong sedatives of the same group as Nembutal. Since phenobarbitals in smaller doses have the same effects as narcotics, the chance is that some dealers may offer them for sale. Sadly, dealers are more willing to target drug addicts who will be coming back, generating more profit, whereas a person with a ctb plan is a one-time client. Be aware that Phenobarbital/Pentobarbital is the generic name of the entire class of different drugs marketed and sold under different trade names. Have you tried to access Chinese online pharmacies? If you have any info, about any source of ordering or buying the raw substance or any of its derivative products, please let me know via a private message.
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Shadowlord900
Seeker of Darkness
- Sep 29, 2022
- 921
Phenobarbital and Pentobarbital are two different kinds of barbiturates, don't get the two mixed up.
Both of them are deadly, Pentobarbital is much quicker acting (hence why it's highly desired by many people here), will usually make you CTB in a matter of minutes. Phenobarbital however, takes much longer to make one CTB, up to 3 days. I think you may also need a higher quantity of Phenobarbital compared to Pentobarbital to CTB? Despite being slower acting, injecting without the help of another isn't really possible because you'll likely fall unconscious before you inject the full amount needed to CTB.
Both of them are deadly, Pentobarbital is much quicker acting (hence why it's highly desired by many people here), will usually make you CTB in a matter of minutes. Phenobarbital however, takes much longer to make one CTB, up to 3 days. I think you may also need a higher quantity of Phenobarbital compared to Pentobarbital to CTB? Despite being slower acting, injecting without the help of another isn't really possible because you'll likely fall unconscious before you inject the full amount needed to CTB.
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Suicide pills do exist and have existed since WW2 at least, it's just not available for normal people.
Because the psychopaths at the top need their money making slaves, tortured but alive, so they dont care, and even if there was one, they would keep it to themselves or make it so expensive
that only the rich could afford it, and in the worst case scenario they would try to use it to get rid of people they consider useless for society.
that only the rich could afford it, and in the worst case scenario they would try to use it to get rid of people they consider useless for society.
GasMonkey
Nitrogen Master Race
- May 15, 2022
- 1,881
It would be useless coz it would be only available for people with terminal diseases or 80+ yo. Drugs have no place in the future improvements of Voluntary Euthanasia, coz that path will always be gatekeeped by doctors forcing you to BEG for it.
The future is the Sarco. With it people will be able to CTB by just making an appointment and taking a flight to Switzerland, without having to explain or justify anything, completely demedicalized; it's gonna be a gamechanger.
I'm not sure the methods are the real problem. After all, Nembutal has existed for a long time and has gone through various stages of availability. Whether it becomes a pill or liquid is neither here nor there really.
The problem is, methods that are good are restricted. That is the real stumbling block, so the availability of a magic pill would not really change that situation, the attitude of society towards choice would have to be the thing that changes.
The problem is, methods that are good are restricted. That is the real stumbling block, so the availability of a magic pill would not really change that situation, the attitude of society towards choice would have to be the thing that changes.
ryo the frog
I'm in your house
- Jun 27, 2022
- 70
Its easier to exploit someone when they're alive.
Sunny-Pia
Student
- Jul 12, 2022
- 105
Oh yess, they can! They just don't want to. Why do u think drug industry is one of the biggest industries on the planet. If we die, they will lose money. First, they will make u sick, then give u the medicine which will manage your symptoms on the surface-sometimes making it worse, but not curing the problem completely from the inside, just so they could continue the pharmaceutical business where they make the most profit followed by the sex and meat industry! We are just puppets.
they used to sell Nembutal pills, but stopped after druggies used them so much. even if they still sold them, you can't really fit enough of a medical into one pill for a painless death, at least not any existing drug or chemical we have now. even if they could, they wouldn't make one because of the fight against euthanasia
CTB Dream
Injury damage disabl hard talk no argu make fun et
- Sep 17, 2022
- 2,424
Cuz human awful species force sufferi, exis endle peacef method human no want explore, awful ape prtnd smart make mental gym prolif natal. Tell you truth no trust any human say scie expret etc all nonsense prolif. Many many method peace thoery endle human no do cuz human force suffer prolif natal, terrible species terrible cruel ,
releasespieces
Poles are shifting, death is looming
- Jun 26, 2022
- 287
Multiple comments here about being a cog in their machine are 
correct. Our masters need us alive so they can suck every last bit of life energy out of us. They don't care if we live or die otherwise, the whole don't hurt yourself, god loves you bullshit, is just a way to convince everyone to support recovery and continue slavery. If they didn't need us to live their lives of luxury and power then maybe they'd consider letting us off ourselves.
The realization that I'm being used and exploited is good motivation for me to endure the pain associated with suicide so I can throw it in their aristocratic faces. The machine will continue, but at least I'd die knowing I contributed to it's end in a very small way by CTB and not producing offspring.
correct. Our masters need us alive so they can suck every last bit of life energy out of us. They don't care if we live or die otherwise, the whole don't hurt yourself, god loves you bullshit, is just a way to convince everyone to support recovery and continue slavery. If they didn't need us to live their lives of luxury and power then maybe they'd consider letting us off ourselves.The realization that I'm being used and exploited is good motivation for me to endure the pain associated with suicide so I can throw it in their aristocratic faces. The machine will continue, but at least I'd die knowing I contributed to it's end in a very small way by CTB and not producing offspring.
I think so, that was my understanding as well.
LiesAndLigatures
Please kill me. Please? PLEASE!
- Nov 8, 2020
- 143
Sodium pentobarbital (the active ingredient in Nembutal) is also manufactured in pill form. But, as a class 2 drug with limited medical use (safer medications have replaced barbiturates in most applications), it is damn near impossible to get. A few decades ago they used to prescribe "Yellow Jackets" (capsules of powdered N) for insomnia.
Still, it would be too many capsules to swallow. The recommended method with the pills is to open 100 capsules, pour the powder into 4oz of water, and drink it all very quickly.
Still, it would be too many capsules to swallow. The recommended method with the pills is to open 100 capsules, pour the powder into 4oz of water, and drink it all very quickly.
Tricondyla ledouxi
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- Jan 2, 2023
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