Venting Why are we living in what feels like the worst possible present imaginable?

[TheB0Ar]

I'm not a religious person, I don't believe in multiple universes but how the fuck is this even possible? How can "society" fuck things up to a point where hatred, division, selfishness, greed and exploitation are celebrated? How is it possible that there are people who accumulated so much wealth to a point where a regular person will never save up that much money even over hundreds of years of nonstop working? And why the fuck do I have to go to work while being sick? Imagine being in a situation where going on a sick leave will drastically reduce the chances of future employment at the only company that is willing to hire me? I can barely lift the dishes that piled over the few days in my sink and I'm expected to stand 10 hours a day, grinding my soul away just so the billionaire at the top can buy another villa in an highly exploited corner of the world?
A month ago I attempted CTB, by a plastic bag. I even managed to grab my headphones into my earholes so the last sounds I'd ever hear are the music i love and not the horrible noises of me gasping for air. Even though it's the simplest method, it's so fucking brutal. my SI kicked in so hard to a point where each passing second felt like a minute. I'm not scared of death, but I'm extremely scared of suffering and pain. I knew it would come to a point where I'd be employed again and that the amount of pressure of having to keep up with the impossible quotas would become one of the worst stresses again. I wanted to spare myself so, so badly. But no matter how many times I attempt to CTB, my SI pumps me with chemicals that convince me that what's about to expire the next day, cannot be worse than killing myself. And I get to live another day.
Another day in a world that's crumbling because soulless corporations are continuing to exploit it. Another day in a world where people are willing to harm other based solely on identity that isn't hurting anyone or themselves? Another day in a world where you can't even end yourself because the ever consuming machine requires gears made out of flesh to continue exploiting everything and everyone but select few.
I love my parents and I love my boyfriend but this is something I'll never share with them.

 

[ADeadBunny]

Yeah, that's capitalism. It's the best system we have, allegedly. If that's true we really have fucked it all up haven't we?

But with all bad things, they can be made worse with depression, trauma, self loathing, the works. You get it I'm sure. We live in an inherantly soul crushing society that makes the bad so much worse than it should be. I'm sorry for every soul that has to run through this machine.

I'm sorry for your suffering too. I hope you find peace.

 

[Orbitc]

I was thinking the same thing. But I also thought about it not only from the point of view of the victim, but also from the point of view of the predator - I don't know about you, but I suffer from the fact that I am not a predator in this world. Surely some of you will not be brave enough to admit this. We could be the same predators - making money by exploiting someone, but we were not lucky enough to be born into a rich family. For some, this is beautiful on the other side of the barricades. This envy is choking me. This will be the main reason for my suicide - the fact that I am on this side of the barricades. I'm currently watching the series "Billions" - some of the characters have such interesting lives - intrigue, struggle and a beautiful life. I never had the chance to live a life like this. Life can be an interesting game for someone, but I don't have such toys like Harward education

 

[TheB0Ar]

I was thinking the same thing. But I also thought about it not only from the point of view of the victim, but also from the point of view of the predator - I don't know about you, but I suffer from the fact that I am not a predator in this world. Surely some of you will not be brave enough to admit this. We could be the same predators - making money by exploiting someone, but we were not lucky enough to be born into a rich family. For some, this is beautiful on the other side of the barricades. This envy is choking me. This will be the main reason for my suicide - the fact that I am on this side of the barricades. I'm currently watching the series "Billions" - some of the characters have such interesting lives - intrigue, struggle and a beautiful life. I never had the chance to live a life like this. Life can be an interesting game for someone, but I don't have such toys like Harward education

I think I get what you mean. Like the life of luxury, travel, and discovery sounds so fun and interesting, it's just too bad those things were built on the shoulders of other people's hard labor. Regardless, I really wish all of us lived a happy life instead of living in a world full of torment.

 

[FuneralCry]

I see this world as such an evil and repulsive place, humans truly are the worst species to me and the existence of life certainly was the most horrifying tragedy. I find it so hellish how it's so difficult to die despite the fact that having the ability to exist just causes suffering, I hate how existence doesn't come with an eternal offswitch.

 

[gbi2]

Yeah, that's capitalism. It's the best system we have, allegedly. If that's true we really have fucked it all up haven't we?

But with all bad things, they can be made worse with depression, trauma, self loathing, the works. You get it I'm sure. We live in an inherantly soul crushing society that makes the bad so much worse than it should be. I'm sorry for every soul that has to run through this machine.

I'm sorry for your suffering too. I hope you find peace.

What seems strange to me is that when people defend capitalism they don't seem to consider that if there were lots of other intelligent and capable life in the universe that we cannot contact, they surely wouldn't all have capitalism as their prevailing system.

If there is so much variation in everything and so many differences then why would there be a single system that prevails among intelligent beings? So if there are successful civilisations using any of the other systems we know of, then it is just an educational issue? It's not like many people are even accepting of selecting the best bits of each system we know about. Why don't we look at the smaller communities around the world who barely have contact with the West and see how they manager to live apparently content lives, and dial a few things back a bit.
And if there are systems we haven't yet thought of, is anyone doing anything about that, other than calling any new ideas unachievable utopias?
Even space exploration has no appeal any more because it seems for the average person their life wont change, they'll still have to work to hours set by someone else, they'll just be on another planet, or floating in space on a ship.

 

[ADeadBunny]

What seems strange to me is that when people defend capitalism they don't seem to consider that if there were lots of other intelligent and capable life in the universe that we cannot contact, they surely wouldn't all have capitalism as their prevailing system.

The fallacy of your reasoning lies here. We have no official proof that aliens exist. Let alone aliens that are more advanced. We cannot base a new potential utopia around science fiction and societal mechanisms that only work on paper.

The issue lies in people. For example communism, it would be great to have work and reward spread proportionally based on individual effort. However in practice, you inevitably find someone who will break the system with politics. Someone who claims they will handle all of the day to day minutia for a substantial reward. There are issues that need to be addressed and only they can address them properly. This introduces a crude bureaucracy. This begins the inevitable breakdown into a dictatorship. This is of course an oversimplification for the sake of keeping things concise, but that is the trajectory of the communist system.

If you want a utopia, you need an ironclad constitution that keeps people honest. This simply isn't possible. If any individual wants to have it better than everyone else and tries to achieve that; will break down every single socioeconomic system we have created. I don't care if it's communism, socialism, capitalism. Look at America, land of the free. How many people do you think are actually free in that country? There are a group of 535 pencil pushers that "run" the show. They've figured out that they can sit in the same office for the rest of their lives and dictate what we do with ours. Meanwhile they don't do much, except ensure that the citizens are just content enough to let them stay in their ivory towers.

And America is supposed to have it good compared to other countries and the best out of every global superpower. The point is, you cannot achieve a society that is any more just than what we've created before and any attempt to do so is met with destruction. You're only hope may be in cynicism, if you wish to live like Diogenes of Synope. But other than that if you've come to rely on your creature comforts and technology, you'll be running on the wheel until you die. This is the unfortunate reality of life in the 21st century. Lest you stumble upon something that makes people worship you like a god, you'll be here in muck with the rest of us.

 

[SexyIncél]

What seems strange to me is that when people defend capitalism they don't seem to consider that if there were lots of other intelligent and capable life in the universe that we cannot contact, they surely wouldn't all have capitalism as their prevailing system.
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And if there are systems we haven't yet thought of, is anyone doing anything about that, other than calling any new ideas unachievable utopias?

Brilliant argument!

Some have the imagination to imagine improved societies. But too many of wageslavery's critics just write endlessly on why it sucks

 

[gbi2]

Brilliant argument!

Some have the imagination to imagine improved societies. But too many of wageslavery's critics just write endlessly on why it sucks

Thanks, although I don't think I explained myself properly as ADeadBunny has replied about my reasoning. I wasn't clear that I was working from the perspective that other people seem to be accepting of other intelligent live, not that I do, so my point was that if they think that, would they all end up with capitalism if capitalism is supposed to be the best system, again according to them.

I like the link about participatory economics and sometimes I do think there is a leaning towards that idea now. Years ago you were expected to be a cog in the process, but with some more recent jobs, I've been asked "what do you want to do", rather than told "Can you do this next". But it does then get combatted by people who are stuck in their ways and don't like people coming up with new ideas and working them out and trialling them alongside their normal core duties. People are still stuck in how they think everyone should just keep going through the cycle of jobs at work and not ever try to improve the working environment. It has been like that in the last 3 or 4 places I've worked any way.

I had a bit more to type earlier but a support worker called round so I had to quick quit the browser and now I can't get back into the train of thought. Oh well.

 

[Adûnâi]

Yeah, that's capitalism. It's the best system we have, allegedly. If that's true we really have fucked it all up haven't we?

People in the West are living the most luxurious lives in the history of mankind. No cholera. No typhus. No holodomor. No war. No rats. Literally a paradise.

The only thing men in the West don't have is sex - but you might be women, so that doesn't apply to you.

Don't get me wrong, all existence is pointless rubbish, I'm an edgy unironic pro-mortalist and anti-natalist, but complaining about the standard of living is hilarious.

I understand two kinds of people:
1) ugly incels;
2) autistic males.

I'm autistic, also a Ukrainian male, and I nevertheless consider myself hella privileged because at least my mom cooks for me, and I don't have to work, just rotting all day. But I still suffer - due to existence, due to having to go outside, and due to having no intersexual handholding experience ever and forever.

 

[ADeadBunny]

People in the West are living the most luxurious lives in the history of mankind. No cholera. No typhus. No holodomor. No war. No rats. Literally a paradise.

I'm not complaining about our standard of living. It's the best it's ever been. I hold issue with the fact that it's probably the best it's ever going to be.

I don't believe in humanity as a whole. Sure we could make a more perfect and just society, but we won't. It simply will not happen for the will of a few and that's what hurts so much.

If you want to ruin something ask a person to fix it.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

People in the West are living the most luxurious lives in the history of mankind. No cholera. No typhus. No holodomor. No war. No rats. Literally a paradise.

I don't understand this argument and I don't think I will ever understand this argument. Sure it's true that people in the west are overall having it good compared to people in the past or even to other areas of the world right now. However how does that make it a paradise in itself? I mean, isn't it possible that the same people we're talking about right now made the same argument for people in the past? Or how it could also be possible that our living standards improve even further in a few hundred years and the people living in those times see our times as hellish the same way we treat the past.

Just because our conditions on average are better than what we gotten in the past doesn't mean we should accept that as it is

 

[Gonnerr]

There is the regular bandits that we know and the bandits with tie and suit.

Those are way more damaging , most of them are sociopath , they destroy earth only to buy a yacth, villa like you said or to brag between them that i have more billions than you in assets.

While other suffer at the bottom.

Like i said before, we should go voluntarly extinct, fuck world , fuck society , fuck universe, that's it.

libera nos ab illo stercore