Why are people so happy to procreate too much?

[skeptikus]

On socmed, people are so proud that they are pregnant. Unfortunately, these people can barely feed themselves. Why bring more people to this world to suffer with you?

Also, some of these people I know are short-tempered at the best of times. Just imagine the trauma their kid will receive because they lost their job, or they don't have enough money to pay the bills.

Why can't these people see just a few years into the future?

Feel free to agree or disagree with me. Just do it in a civil manner. Minimize sarcasm, please. I have autism so I don't really understand sarcasm.

 

[quietwoods]

This is a very common topic on this site.

It's because sex feels good and there are biological and social imperatives to reproduction.

Really just as simple as that. No logic or rationality that is going to be applied here, despite the constant attempts to do so.

 

[macaroni]

I also think some people want something to love and receive love from. A child might be 'easier' than a partner because people see children's love as unconditional

 

[Sergeant45]

Unfortunately, these people can barely feed themselves. Why bring more people to this world to suffer with you?

Unfortunately poverty and being unable to use sexual protection go deeply hand in hand on many levels and factors and always has and will.

You could tell people "hey maybe that isn't a good idea and lay off on the unprotected sex for a little bit if you couldn't even feed pets or yourself" but then you'll be pointed at because pro life and "I can have children whenever the fuck I want" society. So a lot of people don't do that even though they agree with what you said.

 

[FuneralCry]

I understand, I see it as just causing way more harm and suffering in this existence where there is no limit as to how much one can be tortured, I find it the most terrible tragedy how this existence was even imposed at all especially as all this suffering could had been prevented by never existing at all, existence truly is an abomination, I see existence as a terrible, tragic mistake, more than anything I wish I was never burdened with this futile, torturous existence of unnecessary suffering that to me is just waiting to die anyway.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Procreation is typically done out of selfishness. People do it because they believe that it will add something to their lives. Along with that, to want to procreate also tends to involve having to dehumanize the potential child to be in some capacity, in order to not have to think about questioning the potential impact that existence could have on them. There is a reason why most parents tend to dismiss the feelings and opinions of their children and often talk about them like they are objects. Even pets get treated better than most children. Personhood isn't granted to you until you are an adult.

This also goes into why often those who decide that they don't want children often seem to care about the well-being of children more. To come to the conclusion that you don't want kids often involves having to take the time to put said hypothetical child and their well-being first, before your own desires.

 

[ididnotconsent]

It's not rational, don't try to rationalize it.

 

[Ijustcantanymore]

Because humans are big stupid bald monkeys at the end of the day. Though I do feel that's insulting to monkeys personally. We are animals. People like to forget or selectively ignore that and believe we are more and above. That we are special. We're not.

Any of the other animals we grew up with here could have been selected for this bullshit.

Animals fuck. Humans driven purely by biology, hormones and a fear of death and being forgotten . That's it. And because it's what they are told it's what they are supposed to do.

It's really sick. I don't like to think about it tbh. Just reminds me of how revolting our species really is.

 

[WhatCouldHaveBeen32]

Guys I think I accidentally made a child and I have a new calling now. I put some googly eyes on my fridge and now I have to take care of him.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Because humans are big stupid bald monkeys at the end of the day. Though I do feel that's insulting to monkeys personally. We are animals. People like to forget or selectively ignore that and believe we are more and above. That we are special. We're not.

Any of the other animals we grew up with here could have been selected for this bullshit.

Animals fuck. Humans driven purely by biology, hormones and a fear of death and being forgotten .

First off, humans aren't monkeys. We are apes. Secondly, lust is a poor explanation for why people want to procreate. A lot of people like having sex but hate the idea of having children. There are also cases of people who hate having sex but engage with it anyway simply because they want kids. Lust =/= wanting children and the OP is asking about people being happy to procreate, not about just procreation in general, which would include instances where people procreate despite not wanting to (e.g., rape, coercion, accidental pregnancy, etc). The whole argument about hormones falls flat once you consider the fact that a lot of people don't like the idea of having kids, including those who like to engage in casual sex.

 

[rainwillneverstop]

because life doesn't suck for everyone.

 

[Ijustcantanymore]

First off, humans aren't monkeys. We are apes. Secondly, lust is a poor explanation for why people want to procreate. A lot of people like having sex but hate the idea of having children. There are also cases of people who hate having sex but engage with it anyway simply because they want kids. Lust =/= wanting children and the OP is asking about people being happy to procreate, not about just procreation in general, which would include instances where people procreate despite not wanting to (e.g., rape, coercion, accidental pregnancy, etc). The whole argument about hormones falls flat once you consider the fact that a lot of people don't like the idea of having kids, including those who like to engage in casual sex.

My bad. Big stupid apes then. And you're making a lot of assumptions here. You think none of these things factor into people who are happy to procreate? So people who want children aren't or can't be lustful?

Also hormones are very much a thing and not a thing we actually have control of. You can suppress them sure. But if you ever stop, they come back. And they can and do definitely drive behavior. And they definitely drive both groups to procreate in many many instances of the billions of humans that exist. To pretend otherwise is confusing at best.

But anyway. I stand by what I said and you are free to subjectively believe otherwise. I wouldn't expect anything else tbh. Just for the record though. I never applied those things to all people. You did that in your response. The OP asked what they asked, and I gave them reasons to why people who want to procreate do that.

Those are in fact reasons why a shit ton of humans procreate.

You took the way I phrased things personally, as humans do, because I don't like humans and got defensive about it. Which of course you will deny because you need to be right over me to feel validated or something. Which is not my problem whatsoever.

I am able to acknowledge how much we suck as a species. And that has affected my view and the way I speak about us.

And it makes other humans defensive over the species because they want to believe humans are good and noble and all that crap. A silly, immature reaction. But again. Typical human behavior.

All I did was answer the OP's question with answers that applied to the question.

Now I'm tired and need a nap. you have a great day human.

 

[Dejected 55]

It's difficult to explain in a way that makes sense because there are so many variables.

I once knew a guy at a place I worked many years ago... he and his wife wanted a child and talked about it all the time, showed pictures during her pregnancy and talked non-stop... showed all the pictures after the child was born and the whole way through had talked about how they couldn't wait to have a child.

Once the child was born, though, and the novelty wore off... both parents could not wait to go back to work and were both back to work within 6 months. Now, I realize a lot of couples both have to work, I'm not shaming that... I'm just saying they wanted a baby so bad... but then clearly didn't want to take care of the baby once it was in the world. It was a stark change that was hard not to miss about them.

Some people want toys... a baby to play with, not realizing how much you need to take care of a newborn. My mother thought she would be getting a friend to be on "her side" or something.

Some people want status and to brag.

Some actually do love their children. But I think that is kind of rare.

I think the driving desire is just as animals keeping the species going. Most of us are programmed to do that... and sex for that reason... and sex mostly feels good because it encourages animals to want to do it even though the kid that gets produced takes more care and energy than the enjoyment of the sex gave you in the first place.

We are wired for it. Sure, we have ways around it... pills and prophylactics and such... and abortion where it is still legal... but in the heat of the moment a lot of people will stop thinking about the possibility of a kid for the thrill of the sex in that moment.

We are animals. We pretend not to be... but we are.

 

[Arioso]

Their worldview reposes on the assumption that life is inherently worth living

 

[EvisceratedJester]

My bad. Big stupid apes then. And you're making a lot of assumptions here. You think none of these things factor into people who are happy to procreate? So people who want children aren't or can't be lustful?

Also hormones are very much a thing and not a thing we actually have control of. You can suppress them sure. But if you ever stop, they come back. And they can and do definitely drive behavior. And they definitely drive both groups to procreate in many many instances of the billions of humans that exist. To pretend otherwise is confusing at best.

But anyway. I stand by what I said and you are free to subjectively believe otherwise. I wouldn't expect anything else tbh. Just for the record though. I never applied those things to all people. You did that in your response. The OP asked what they asked, and I gave them reasons to why people who want to procreate do that.

Those are in fact reasons why a shit ton of humans procreate.

You took the way I phrased things personally, as humans do, because I don't like humans and got defensive about it. Which of course you will deny because you need to be right over me to feel validated or something. Which is not my problem whatsoever.

I am able to acknowledge how much we suck as a species. And that has affected my view and the way I speak about us.

And it makes other humans defensive over the species because they want to believe humans are good and noble and all that crap. A silly, immature reaction. But again. Typical human behavior.

All I did was answer the OP's question with answers that applied to the question.

Now I'm tired and need a nap. you have a great day human.

Aren't you also making a lot of assumptions by reducing the urge to procreate down to just hormones? Wanting children is way more complex than just hormones and, considering the increasing number of people opting to be child-free, I feel as though your explanation for why people choose to procreate is poor. Even if we were to take into consideration hormones, that would likely only play a small role in wanting children.

Also, I don't get why you are being so defensive. I'm just not going to bother conversing with you every again.

 

[ididnotconsent]

Parent's aren't rational, never were, never will be. There are children being born in a Gaza right now in an active war zone.

 

[Dejected 55]

Parent's aren't rational, never were, never will be. There are children being born in a Gaza right now in an active war zone.

I'm not sure what that means. In all the major wars throughout history, kids were born during and often in the middle of war zones.

In apocalyptic movies they always have a scene where someone says "I don't want to bring children into this world" and someone has to remind them that while having kids is of course a choice completely up to them... but if everyone stops having kids until their world is perfect, then humanity would die out.

And since the average kid takes about 9 months to gestate... you could very easily become pregnant at a time when things were less violent and then they become more violent at some point during your pregnancy. You could also find yourself trapped in a location and unable to leave.

 

[ididnotconsent]

I'm not sure what that means. In all the major wars throughout history, kids were born during and often in the middle of war zones.

In apocalyptic movies they always have a scene where someone says "I don't want to bring children into this world" and someone has to remind them that while having kids is of course a choice completely up to them... but if everyone stops having kids until their world is perfect, then humanity would die out.

And since the average kid takes about 9 months to gestate... you could very easily become pregnant at a time when things were less violent and then they become more violent at some point during your pregnancy. You could also find yourself trapped in a location and unable to leave.

They've been getting bombed for almost 2 years and there is a serious famine going on and people are still deciding to have children. There are orphaned kids with their legs blown off begging for food in the streets. How the fuck are you not sure what that means.

As we speak someone is deciding to have a fucking child over there. My point is humans are nothing but lustful animals.

Sorry i don't mean to sound rude or disrespectful, just a bit angry.

 

[yawdrareg]

i feel so bad for the younger generations and the world they will have to grow up to live in… with the way things are going right now, i wouldn't be surprised if mental illness and suicide rates go up.

 

[Dejected 55]

They've been getting bombed for almost 2 years and there is a serious famine going on and people are still deciding to have children. There are orphaned kids with their legs blown off begging for food in the streets. How the fuck are you not sure what that means.

As we speak someone is deciding to have a fucking child over there. My point is humans are nothing but lustful animals.

Sorry i don't mean to sound rude or disrespectful, just a bit angry.

But what are you suggesting they do? If a war breaks out in your country, in your neighborhood, and you can't leave... do you just stop living at all? You're not offering a better suggestion for them.

War in the middle east, especially over Israel/Palestine has been going on since Israel was established as a country. Sure this newest series of attacks has been a couple of years... but it has been going on since before I was born in that area to some degree or another. It is horrible, make no mistake about it. I'm just saying it's weird to stake a position that something is wrong for people there trying to have children because of the fighting. The fighting that as I said has been going on for decades one way or another.

Again, I point back to all the major wars and how people didn't stop having babies during any of them.

 

[ididnotconsent]

But what are you suggesting they do? If a war breaks out in your country, in your neighborhood, and you can't leave... do you just stop living at all? You're not offering a better suggestion for them.

War in the middle east, especially over Israel/Palestine has been going on since Israel was established as a country. Sure this newest series of attacks has been a couple of years... but it has been going on since before I was born in that area to some degree or another. It is horrible, make no mistake about it. I'm just saying it's weird to stake a position that something is wrong for people there trying to have children because of the fighting. The fighting that as I said has been going on for decades one way or another.

Again, I point back to all the major wars and how people didn't stop having babies during any of them.

Yes, i suggest to stop breeding immediately. I don't think people should have children in this world at all tbh, and definitely not after the outbreak of a large scale conflict.

 

[Dejected 55]

Yes, i suggest to stop breeding immediately. I don't think people should have children in this world at all tbh, and definitely not after the outbreak of a large scale conflict.

I mean, points for consistency I guess. But that's how you get genocide. One side kills the other and no children to carry on or rebuild later. That seems sad to me.

 

[Ashu]

Yes, i suggest to stop breeding immediately. I don't think people should have children in this world at all tbh, and definitely not after the outbreak of a large scale conflict.

This is just childish, but you're young, and I was no better at your age.

because life doesn't suck for everyone.

Wisdom. But it's the voice of one crying in the wilderness.

This is a very common topic on this site.

It's because sex feels good and there are biological and social imperatives to reproduction.

Really just as simple as that. No logic or rationality that is going to be applied here, despite the constant attempts to do so.

Says it all. But the kids just need to think this way, and you can't force progress.

 

[Helppleasebad]

Anyone here Antinatalist?

 

[Archness]

Yes, i suggest to stop breeding immediately. I don't think people should have children in this world at all tbh, and definitely not after the outbreak of a large scale conflict.

Are you an Efilist by any chance? You could argue "There's no objective meaning to life and it's better to not exist then to be born just to suffer", but realistically that isn't gonna happen. Humanity has existed and evolved up to this point so by nature people will keep reproducing unless something starts to go very wrong on a fundamental level. Such as countries with very low birthrates like Korea and Japan, and interestingly, they have seen exactly ZERO major conflicts and are developed first-world countries.

Rational or not, people will be more open to making babies then it'd make sense, even if it'd be "Accidental" most of the time. Wars, famine, plagues, etc, people will naturally, have sex, have babies even if they weren't necessary trying for it, or otherwise, naturally reproduce. Because, evolutionary, you'd have better chances reproducing in an awful situation then not doing it at all and just dying. So that's the nature of people here.

I mean, points for consistency I guess. But that's how you get genocide. One side kills the other and no children to carry on or rebuild later. That seems sad to me.

Realistically, if Israel refused to wait until they had zero conflicts, wars, or problems, they'd already have died out long ago. There's always some kind of fighting happening.

 

[WhatCouldHaveBeen32]

Are you an Efilist by any chance? You could argue "There's no objective meaning to life and it's better to not exist then to be born just to suffer", but realistically that isn't gonna happen. Humanity has existed and evolved up to this point so by nature people will keep reproducing unless something starts to go very wrong on a fundamental level. Such as countries with very low birthrates like Korea and Japan, and interestingly, they have seen exactly ZERO major conflicts and are developed first-world countries.

Rational or not, people will be more open to making babies then it'd make sense, even if it'd be "Accidental" most of the time. Wars, famine, plagues, etc, people will naturally, have sex, have babies even if they weren't necessary trying for it, or otherwise, naturally reproduce. Because, evolutionary, you'd have better chances reproducing in an awful situation then not doing it at all and just dying. So that's the nature of people here.

I know I'm not the guy you mentioned but I agree with what he wrote in his comments. I saw Efilism before and I don't know, I have my own views. I had thoughts similar to anti-natalism before finding out it exists. Long story short, people don't consent to life, we have the superior brain and consciousness animals don't have yet we still choose to enact terrors upon eachother. People shouldn't be subjected to this without their own volition, just because 1000 kids are born in happy families, doesn't invalidate that 10000 didn't and that 10000 more are on the way soon.

Also in Japan and Korea men treat women like shit, South Korea is in an ongoing conflict with their sister North Korea for quite a while.

I personally don't care for evolution or nature or what "it wants" or what we think "it wants" from us and/or other animals; and you could very well say "it doesn't matter because you're not in a position of power where you could prove to be any danger to evolution and nature" and you'd be 100% right but I still don't care about it. I do agree that it is the main reason people reproduce. Too bad. People just don't want to bend over to each other and be more humble, that's the truth. There are many things in this world that could have a middle ground but people are too scared to accept they've been wrong for so much time already, it would ruin their "god-like" status as human beings above the other animals and also their ego.

This is my opinion, people can do whatever they want, they have already proven to me that we don't have anything in common and that their demise will be at their own hands eventually; good riddance or should I say bad riddance as I would have actually liked to see us getting along and for earth to be a good place to be on, that was a long time ago tho.

 

[sinfonia]

Yes, i suggest to stop breeding immediately. I don't think people should have children in this world at all tbh, and definitely not after the outbreak of a large scale conflict.

You can't bend the world to your will - your opinion is really just meaningless. A wall isn't going to break if you bash your head against it a thousand times, you'll just end up hurting your own head.

 

[Pale_Rider]

Powerful instincts.

 

[JealousOfTheElderly]

There are way too many of us on this planet. We are like bacteria or virus that has infected our host and our host (the earth) is very sick because of us. We are ruining the planet, using up resources, and wreaking havoc with war, suffering, and misery. The billionaire class is right with their goal of reducing the population. Too many of us, too much suffering.

 

[SmilingNoMore]

I agree with you. And why procreate when there are already so many homeless children...