TheSquiddieSquid8
Is there a wolf at the door?
- Apr 20, 2023
- 27
I don't understand, if everyone dies eventually- why is it so bad to make that come faster?? 50 years, 10 years, who cares it's all the same outcome
pthnrdnojvsc
Extreme Pain is much worse than people know
- Aug 12, 2019
- 2,749
Yeah we are all going to die anyway
So it's not logical to be so against death
In 130 years all 8 billion humans alive now will be dead and forgotten as if they never existed
It's even more illogical and evil to force those that are suffering extreme torture to remain alive and suffering . for what since they will die anyway and death / non-existence forever solves all problems instantly and forever.
It's ridiculous . Even if a person is 80 years old is suffering chronic arthritic pain and Will be homeless soon they can't even buy nembutal , assisted suicide or even say they want to kill themselves or they will put them in a mental hospital
They are brainwashed
Most humans aren't even aware they will die eagleman says around 4:38 - 5:02 Minute mark
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Mxverick
Member
- Aug 12, 2023
- 90
A neighbor of mine who died some time ago was in a car accident. I'm not sure if he was completely paralyzed and if he had cognitive senses. The thing is, I could hear him screaming for hours from the second floor.
Aergia
Mage
- Jun 20, 2023
- 527
Because in the end, we're animals, and our most basic instinct is the survival one. It's hard to counter something that's been ingrained into your biology since your conception.
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020x
Suffering will end when the existence does.
- Jul 6, 2023
- 249
It's not the people, it's the nature. The existence itself. Sadistic and clueless existence..
Darkover
Angelic
- Jul 29, 2021
- 4,739
because they're scared of death even tho it's the most natural thing in existence everyone dies eventually inevitability tick-tock
they don't want free people killing themselves their wouldent be anyway to make money off them , its a big investment paying for schools ect only to have someone decided when they hit adulthood life isn't worth living for them the system would soon collaspe if everyone whos ever want to die just drop dead on the spot they need slaves to run the system thats all they care about is having slaves
a free people don't enslave themselves in awful shit where anything can happen to them which means suffering for decades into natural death occurs only slaves behave this fucking way
they don't want free people killing themselves their wouldent be anyway to make money off them , its a big investment paying for schools ect only to have someone decided when they hit adulthood life isn't worth living for them the system would soon collaspe if everyone whos ever want to die just drop dead on the spot they need slaves to run the system thats all they care about is having slaves
a free people don't enslave themselves in awful shit where anything can happen to them which means suffering for decades into natural death occurs only slaves behave this fucking way
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It is odd, considering the majority think they're going somewhere after death.
FuneralCry
Just wanting some peace
- Sep 24, 2020
- 38,938
I'm never able to understand those people who are so anti-suicide and see suicide as being worse than suffering, they just come across as so incredibly delusional to me. It's insane being so anti-suicide when in reality death is the most normal thing that is completely inescapable, humans are just passing the time and waiting around until they inevitably cease to be and in the end death will always erase all we knew making it so one cannot experience anything.
Death cannot be "bad" as it's the absence of experience, all that is bad is as a result of existence, one cannot be harmed by not-existing so it's very inhumane to me how people wish to prolong the suffering of other people so unnecessarily.
Do those who hold anti-suicide beliefs really want to die a slow death being tortured by old age, as deteriorating from age is all that humans are destined for if they exist for long enough, honestly humans are the worst species with how they create harm and desire to prolong such harm due to delusions.
I very strongly believe death to just be permanent non-existence which is why I see death as being something relieving, in fact it's the only relief for me, it's true freedom from suffering, existence is what is undesirable to me instead, I'm against suffering and torture, it's tragic how anyone has to suffer.
Death cannot be "bad" as it's the absence of experience, all that is bad is as a result of existence, one cannot be harmed by not-existing so it's very inhumane to me how people wish to prolong the suffering of other people so unnecessarily.
Do those who hold anti-suicide beliefs really want to die a slow death being tortured by old age, as deteriorating from age is all that humans are destined for if they exist for long enough, honestly humans are the worst species with how they create harm and desire to prolong such harm due to delusions.
I very strongly believe death to just be permanent non-existence which is why I see death as being something relieving, in fact it's the only relief for me, it's true freedom from suffering, existence is what is undesirable to me instead, I'm against suffering and torture, it's tragic how anyone has to suffer.
Unattainable666
Enlightened
- Mar 31, 2023
- 1,346
People fear death - their own death and they are stupid enough to believe that they have the right to push their beliefs onto people who are in such pain that they want to ctb I for one believe everyone has the right to ctb however they want. It's my body I can do with it what I want. No one has the right to tell me otherwise.
Severe attachment to life. Hope for a better tomorrow and better experience. Religious reasons. Ethical and moral reasons. The list goes on.
EndJstifiesTheMeans
Bad english, didn't go to school sorry
- May 14, 2023
- 448
society need slaves, and people are brainwashed by society
Ambivalent1
🎵 Be all, end all 🎵
- Apr 17, 2023
- 3,279
Huggs
Wish for peace
- Jul 6, 2023
- 209
Because most people think life is very precious even when someone is suffering immensely every day of their existence. They also can't empathize with someone that is suffering that badly because they themselves love their life or are at least okay with it.
People tend to believe that their life has inherent worth and meaning. That their life is valuable by means of its very existence. That god or whatever put them here for a reason. Consequently, such people view death as an impediment to them fufilling their purpose and living a full-life. Such a person could not possibly see how they are no more special than an ant.
dingo2345
Member
- Aug 6, 2023
- 10
Doctors are against it because it's their job. They don't care about human life at all. They just don't want that stain on their reputation.
Most parents are against it because they would have to accept the fact that they produced a life that is so bad that it rather ends itself. It would be equal to a failure.
Employers don't want it because it would lose them workers. (until you get ill, then they don't care)
The government doesn't want it because it doesn't want to lose tax payers. (until you reach pension age, then they don't care)
Interestingly, if you ask a normal person anonymous on the street. They will most of the time say that they have no right to intervene in another persons death wish. In one way or the other.
The system is interested in exploiting you. I know it sounds like something a cringy teenager would say. But it's the truth. I'm 34 and have seen it over and over again. People just get replaced when they lose their value. All the while the value of life is preached because it's part of the exploitation system.
Most parents are against it because they would have to accept the fact that they produced a life that is so bad that it rather ends itself. It would be equal to a failure.
Employers don't want it because it would lose them workers. (until you get ill, then they don't care)
The government doesn't want it because it doesn't want to lose tax payers. (until you reach pension age, then they don't care)
Interestingly, if you ask a normal person anonymous on the street. They will most of the time say that they have no right to intervene in another persons death wish. In one way or the other.
The system is interested in exploiting you. I know it sounds like something a cringy teenager would say. But it's the truth. I'm 34 and have seen it over and over again. People just get replaced when they lose their value. All the while the value of life is preached because it's part of the exploitation system.
As in there are unlimited reasons people are going nuts.
Unattainable666
Enlightened
- Mar 31, 2023
- 1,346
Fear. Fear of the unknown - what happens after I die crap. I'm not afraid of dying - I fear living
Most people live in denial of death of have religious beliefs about what happens after death.
I had a girlfriend once, she was religious and me not (yeah, I know right), but she asked me how does life have meaning if I do not believe that we go somewhere after we die.
Now at the time I didn't care, since I was too much of an alcoholic and narcissistic a-hole to care about anything to with what anybody else said other than me, but you know what, that whole exchange between her and I regarding religion is rather meaningful in retrospect, since the answer to that (if I was self-aware back then) really should have been: "I use abusing alcohol and sex with random women to chase some resemblance of meaning in this otherwise meaningless existence we live in, for we are born from nothingness and to nothingness we shall return, meaning is whatever we delude ourselves into thinking it means, and upon exiting this earthly existence, well there is nothing else after, for all that we ever achieved means nothing, all that we ever suffered for was in vain, and all attempts at denying this reality will eventually prove futile".
But then, I am also not sure I would have got laid that night either if I had been self-aware to have said that lol.
To be fair, with the whole god thing, and judgement over suicide, how can religious people honestly argue that someone who has been abused (to whatever extreme you can imagine), and then ended their own lives as a direct or indirect result of this trauma they experienced as a child or adult, how can they possibly that such a person will suffer as a result of god's judgement that suicide is a sin?
I mean, come on, please.
I mean, I am someone who lacks the ability to feel empathy (I can make the effort to cognitively analyse this however, but it does not come naturally), I have recently discovered I have had Narcissistic Personality Disorder my whole life, caused by being psychologically/emotionally abused and neglected by my parents, which emotionally messed me up, as well, caused me to emotionally and psychologically hurt others, which in turn hurt me by leaving me with a lifetime of regret, remorse, and guilt and I am nearly age 40.
So even me with my cold analytical mind, you can't possibly try to convince me that someone who was sexually abused as a child in any way would deserve a god to punish them for choosing suicide due to their trauma (directly or indirectly), I don't even need to feel empathy to know this, it's just common sense.
Any person who believes that a benevolent god would be right to punish a child sex abuse victim for ending their life, they have serious issues, and this is coming from someone with NPD.
Child sex abuse victim is a clear and obvious type of a victim that I chose to use in this example, since it's an example that anybody, regardless how religious they are, should have trouble continuing with the whole "god punishes those who suicide" narrative if asked this question to them, but the same could be argued for anybody who has suffered, been a victim, or otherwise is facing circumstances where they no longer feel life has any value left.
The key to winning an argument such as the "suicide is a sin" narrative, is to find an exception that would bring into question the empathy of the person being asked the question (such as the religious person who agrees with suicide being a sin), by asking using the most extreme example, and child sex abuse victim is one example that just comes to mind as something that nobody could reasonably say deserves punishment for dying by suicide due to the abuse they suffered, regardless of how religious they are.
If it is an absolute belief they hold, such as "suicide is a sin" with no exceptions, then this is the easiest to attack, as you need only use the most extreme example to bring into question their empathy or other such positive/virtuous trait they they believe themselves to possess and/or society expects them to possess, from there an absolute belief is already damaged critically, as then it opens the door to where to draw the line now, and how many other exceptions could there be, the thin end of a wedge type of attack.
I wonder what the response would be actually, possibly a deflection of the question, which I would then detect their deflection of my question and ask them again. I have only just thought of this question. Religious people may never have considered this before. Any thoughts?
Edit: Btw, I just realised that that last paragraph is probably me using the manipulative and psychological tactics that I learned from my own abuse I suffered from my parents who effectively passed their Narcissistic Personality Disorder onto me... But perhaps I am using those "powers" for good now?
I had a girlfriend once, she was religious and me not (yeah, I know right), but she asked me how does life have meaning if I do not believe that we go somewhere after we die.
Now at the time I didn't care, since I was too much of an alcoholic and narcissistic a-hole to care about anything to with what anybody else said other than me, but you know what, that whole exchange between her and I regarding religion is rather meaningful in retrospect, since the answer to that (if I was self-aware back then) really should have been: "I use abusing alcohol and sex with random women to chase some resemblance of meaning in this otherwise meaningless existence we live in, for we are born from nothingness and to nothingness we shall return, meaning is whatever we delude ourselves into thinking it means, and upon exiting this earthly existence, well there is nothing else after, for all that we ever achieved means nothing, all that we ever suffered for was in vain, and all attempts at denying this reality will eventually prove futile".
But then, I am also not sure I would have got laid that night either if I had been self-aware to have said that lol.
To be fair, with the whole god thing, and judgement over suicide, how can religious people honestly argue that someone who has been abused (to whatever extreme you can imagine), and then ended their own lives as a direct or indirect result of this trauma they experienced as a child or adult, how can they possibly that such a person will suffer as a result of god's judgement that suicide is a sin?
I mean, come on, please.
I mean, I am someone who lacks the ability to feel empathy (I can make the effort to cognitively analyse this however, but it does not come naturally), I have recently discovered I have had Narcissistic Personality Disorder my whole life, caused by being psychologically/emotionally abused and neglected by my parents, which emotionally messed me up, as well, caused me to emotionally and psychologically hurt others, which in turn hurt me by leaving me with a lifetime of regret, remorse, and guilt and I am nearly age 40.
So even me with my cold analytical mind, you can't possibly try to convince me that someone who was sexually abused as a child in any way would deserve a god to punish them for choosing suicide due to their trauma (directly or indirectly), I don't even need to feel empathy to know this, it's just common sense.
Any person who believes that a benevolent god would be right to punish a child sex abuse victim for ending their life, they have serious issues, and this is coming from someone with NPD.
Child sex abuse victim is a clear and obvious type of a victim that I chose to use in this example, since it's an example that anybody, regardless how religious they are, should have trouble continuing with the whole "god punishes those who suicide" narrative if asked this question to them, but the same could be argued for anybody who has suffered, been a victim, or otherwise is facing circumstances where they no longer feel life has any value left.
The key to winning an argument such as the "suicide is a sin" narrative, is to find an exception that would bring into question the empathy of the person being asked the question (such as the religious person who agrees with suicide being a sin), by asking using the most extreme example, and child sex abuse victim is one example that just comes to mind as something that nobody could reasonably say deserves punishment for dying by suicide due to the abuse they suffered, regardless of how religious they are.
If it is an absolute belief they hold, such as "suicide is a sin" with no exceptions, then this is the easiest to attack, as you need only use the most extreme example to bring into question their empathy or other such positive/virtuous trait they they believe themselves to possess and/or society expects them to possess, from there an absolute belief is already damaged critically, as then it opens the door to where to draw the line now, and how many other exceptions could there be, the thin end of a wedge type of attack.
I wonder what the response would be actually, possibly a deflection of the question, which I would then detect their deflection of my question and ask them again. I have only just thought of this question. Religious people may never have considered this before. Any thoughts?
Edit: Btw, I just realised that that last paragraph is probably me using the manipulative and psychological tactics that I learned from my own abuse I suffered from my parents who effectively passed their Narcissistic Personality Disorder onto me... But perhaps I am using those "powers" for good now?
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Wyldfyre4948
Waiting for my bus
- Jul 12, 2023
- 377
It not "normal" to want to die before your body and everything in it begins to fail and you die. Going out on your own terms is considered unnatural.
Oh my... I had a realisation reading the second paragraph of this post about how people want to prolong others suffering... I was addicted to alcohol in the past, when I quit, do you know the pressure your so called "friends" put on you to try "oh just have a pint" or such.... it's the fact that me quitting made them feel uncomfortable... but why should it? ... Is this an analogy for how we see life and the right to death? They don't like suicide because they ultimately feel threatened of their own view and existence in the world if it is questioned by others around them? Same as someone quitting an addictive substance that is socially acceptable, such as alcohol. What do you think of my analogy?
$$$, thats all. Less consumers, less profits.
FuneralCry
Just wanting some peace
- Sep 24, 2020
- 38,938
I think it makes sense, I do believe that many people don't wish to accept suicide as a logical and valid option as it shatters their delusions about the reality of this existence. They are uncomfortable with the idea that death is preferable so they insensitively label wanting to die as being an "illness", when in reality wishing to prevent all future suffering is something that is perfectly rational and justified, none of us are obligated to continue existing here anyway.
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Yeah, I mean don't get me wrong, the decision to end one's life is the biggest decision one can make in life obviously, but I have felt suicidal on and off since I was aged 11 back in 1996 (recently found out that was due to having been abused by an NPD mother which then made me NPD, which now I woke up from the total denial of recently and looking back at the full wreckage of regret, remorse, guilt of my entire adult life is why I signed up here, but that's another story), with regards to why I note being suicidal since age 11, well I recall the analytical discussion I had in my head (I didn't even use empathy back then, I can now see in retrospect) I said to myself that I could always have this option to end my life, and my suffering, I wrote a suicide poem for school and all and thought it was normal (the school didn't think it was normal clearly, as they told my mother and she responded at me when we got back home by shouting at me saying that I was disrespecting her and dragging the family name through the mud for me writing about suicide), but I digress, I decided on if I should end my life or not back then, by using only analysis of my life so far, average age a human lives to and the prospect for life improving to realise I was only a child still, only 11 years old, and let's see what happens the coming years, maybe see what new video games come out or computer tech, new processors etc (my hobby) and leave suicide as an option we can use anytime, since it is a final decision we don't need to choose yet.
This was my thinking the option to end my life at age 11, I was a child and could conceptualise that as well as realising at that age that we all grow old and die anyway, which should always be required to be balanced against all aspects whenever this option is considered potentially in future if need be, and sure this may have been partly why I was so messed up and ended up with NPD, or was a result of this, but I now realise that I may have lived much of my life emotionally sabotaging my own life and emotionally unknowing manipulating others, but I think that I now see that I managed to grasp the actual concept of life and death and making an informed careful decision regarding this, something which I didn't realise back then that many other people not only my age couldn't do, but even those much older couldn't and would never get to the point of doing, with the great irony that NPD made me totally delusional and in denial about compromised I was with regard to how to manage my love life, or feel empathy and be in touch with my emotions.
In retrospect I would take denial about death like the sheep out there rather than having had NPD any day of the week, but that was a choice I didn't get to make, it was made for me by who my mother was and the abuse I suffered as her son.
Still this thread and your message has just made me realise how much of a paradox I am, so out of touch human emotion for my entire adult life unknowingly self-sabotaging my attempts at love and relationships due to undiagnosed NPD, yet with a complete and calm realistic understanding of life and death and the inevitability of death and ageing itself, and to make calm balanced and informed choices about death and the value life holds, as well as it's potential for improvement and current value as a result of all considered factors.
I never actually realised this paradox until the moment before I wrote this reply.
Or maybe I am just a machine with no feelings in a human body, maybe I was the original AI before this whole ChatGPT thing lol.
I don't think we need a world of people like me though lol, well at least not how I was before where I was unknowingly being abusive psychologically and emotionally to those who tried to love me. I can't forgive myself for not seeing through my denial on this.
You don't understand?
"People are going nuts without any reason"
If they actually had or found the reasons, what would happen?
bunnyswatership
Member
- Aug 12, 2023
- 12
The way I think of it is that the young are what holds up a society. Like a building or a pyramid. If the older people are to many it's a people so people don't really care if old people die. But it young people die then the building starts to crumble. And usually the middle people or middle aged people repopulate the younger people. But since they're spending so much time trying to prop up the older people now that there's more and more older people than there's less and less young people. Like a reverse pyramid. Long story short it's about capitalism
The way I think of it is that the young are what holds up a society. Like a building or a pyramid. If the older people are to many it's a people so people don't really care if old people die. But it young people die then the building starts to crumble. And usually the middle people or middle aged people repopulate the younger people. But since they're spending so much time trying to prop up the older people now that there's more and more older people than there's less and less young people. Like a reverse pyramid. Long story short it's about capitalism
The way I think of it is that the young are what holds up a society. Like a building or a pyramid. If the older people are to many it's a people so people don't really care if old people die. But it young people die then the building starts to crumble. And usually the middle people or middle aged people repopulate the younger people. But since they're spending so much time trying to prop up the older people now that there's more and more older people than there's less and less young people. Like a reverse pyramid. Long story short it's about capitalism
