Venting Why are leftist so common?- Very LONG rant ^^.

[rotthjärta]

I've always been online, it could be that more recently as I paid more attention to politics that I'm noticing everyone is mainly very left. IRL and online. I have family members that are too or have had friends that were. The interesting part is they lack education or understanding of basic laws. Most act entitled, just think of a low life is what I mean or an entitled person that just because they struggle and are poor that they can get away with things. If you go to online places like reddit or even youtube basically every social platform the only side that is tolerated for their hate speech and their violent calls to act is the left .-. . Also don't say thats not true causeee it's very plainly said on X or tt or reddit, also irl the amount of times someone has said that while talking about politicians......

I am a colored person and grew up in a trashy area and have seen how those kinds of people act and talk, Its a cycle of "trauma" really that gets passed down from generation to generation, these people cry that they "struggle" yet at once go around acting like antisocial people disrupting society and then when they get caught or told they cant do that they cry that they can because of "oppression", also they rarely ever face consequences so the cycle keeps repeating. My family is the same exact way.

I think a lot of "left people" don't actually understand what poor or poor and colored people act like, I KNOW CAUSE I SEE IT, these people shouldn't be infantilize or treated as struggle babies, no, that's not how you better society, you don't accommodate for the lower population that behaves so antisocial. Also most of these left people want to make life harder for the NORMAL people, whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. It's not that they don't know whats right or wrong, they don't care.

By antisocial I mean people who disregard the lives of others, who disrupt or create annoyance on purpose or from mere lack of knowledge that others DO exist. Like when some kids took an automatic and shot at every car in my neighborhood while driving down the street, like the people that go around doing dog-shit graffiti of their street gang even on the ground and on cars, like the people that go into stores and steal out of simply wanting to not out of necessity, like people who think that a simple wrong look allows for the person to be assaulted, like people who disregard the safety of others and street race or drive their car so fucking fast in a small neighborhood. Loud asf people who don't care if others across the world hear them. Little things like that ^^

NOT ALL PEOPLE act this ghetto way. There are some good people who get born out of bad circumstances but can we be serious and not pretend that most of them aren't gonna be the lucky one that gets out. Some are already drinking and doing drugs by middle school, why do I know that OH because I've seen it. OH my god no way your house got raided, shit must've been the wind. Oh your dad and your dad and YOUR dad went to jail?

Also do people know the rates of molestation or rape in poor areas OR ABUSE? Cause most of them have abusive or households that have struggled with something for generations either drug addictions or chronic offenders. Also those leftist mfs are the kind to see a person like that walking down the street and cross to the other street. Have you guys even ever been harassed by a dude on meth 5000 cause there were a couple of those around where I went to school at and where I lived. And I lived in a place where it was their spawn point.

I don't think all colored people act this way, But I can't deny what I've seen. A lot of these people even when they live in shit conditions and do it to themsleves they got brainwashed or some-shit that they are victims to the oppressing government so they keep voting for those kind of left people and keep seeing no improvement but then the person they keep voting for that wants votes goes around saying "I wILl SavE yoU" but nothing improves again and again so its like a cycle of brainwashing lies. They also worsen the police and the justice system and let out a lot of criminals on a whim because those dum dums will vote for them. Wait these are the same people committing fraud and then also accommodating for the stupid to keep being stupid and voting for them and they keep getting richer and lying to the public. Well shit.

Look right people have done shit things. So I don't wanna hear bUt the FilEs or But TheY diD ThiS, I KNOW IM NOT CHOOSING A BETTER WRONG, Im just not going to choose a mf who literally hates the country they are running for.

Also do you know how fucking privileged America is to be arguing about identity politics, lets not even get into that. Just be gay dude, I LIKE GIRLS AND GUYS but I don't have to make it my entire personality or say that I'm oppressed because IM NOT. If someone told me "My religion doesn't support whatever or personally I don't agree with those things" okay whatever, not everyone has to like you or support what you support. Some countries you can't speak up about it...... because.... yeah.

I know its a long rant but seeing how people talk or just act online and in real life is so infuriating. I am in the center of most of my opinions. I guess I lean right there are some things that If I say them around these people they will go mad. Also how my own family says the stupidest shit ever.

Is there even anyone who leans right. I done!!! ₍^. .^₎⟆

 

[amy joyce]

I am right wing without doubt. Definitely not on the left! As a matter of fact I loathe leftist ideology for the most part and I was once a Democrat. The reason I'm not any long is mostly because they changed so much, not because I have. Since before I was old enough to vote the Dem opposed illegal border crossings. They used to have a position of "I disagree with you but as an American I'll fight for your and my right to have different opinions". It's no longer like that.

I am not of color but have always been supportive of the more oppressed groups and working class. Democrats don't support that anymore. Of course, I may be seeing a lot of algorithmic bias info. But I also gave up watching all news almost 20 years ago. Before the Obama years all people were meant to be held accountable regardless of race. The country believed in individualism instead of identity groups. There's been such a strong push to get people to identify as an oppressed person of some sort and I was taught not to live an identity. Not a race, ethnicity, illness or age group. The world/country has changed an awful lot and I believe we regular people have been intentional led down a path of destruction. I think I'm better at having more direct discussions regarding policy, not believing what a party preaches. My opinion on policy directs me and most often I research both sides and develop my opinion based on beliefs regarding what's best for society and the country as opposed to what's best for me personally.

Another aspect I take to heart is our constitution and Bill of Rights. What that all means and why it was written as well as who it was intended for. I take to heart the fact that the country is no longer united on anything substantial and my belief is that's intentional. We're being divided onto sides in order to be conquered. Those actually in charge want a sub class of slaves they don't have to answer to. That is not constitutional. It's elitist baloney.

 

[Dejected 55]

You're really asking the wrong question.

In my experience, both with talking heads on TV and people I know in real life... Left and Right are just labels, "teams" picked sometimes arbitrarily. Everyone "must" pick a side and ride or die with that side. Doesn't matter what they actually believe, even if they actually believe anything... pick a side, support everything on that side blindly, and declare the other side to be Hitler. That's politics in America, and from what I can see a lot of the rest of the world too.

People don't often believe most of the things they say. You can test them on this by putting the shoe on the other foot and seeing how they react. Having an affair is "wrong" and "immoral" when the other side does it, but when someone on your side does it... well, no one is perfect don't throw stones and all that. Condemn the other side, cheer your side, even when many times both sides are doing the same thing.

If one side comes up with a good idea? YOU have to be against it... even if you like it... because you can't let the other side "win." It's stupid. But then there's the combination of the people who just blindly follow a side because they think they have to... and the people who are only in it for themselves, gaming the system to get theirs and screw everyone else. Most of your elected (or declared if you aren't in a Democracy) leaders are only in it for themselves and their friends. They don't give a half a thought about anyone else unless it serves them to get support for a vote OR serves as a distraction from something they've done that they want you to forget.

IF people truly believe in left or right, then they care about others and want what's best for most and they can come together on something to make it happen. In America we can get a bill passed in an hour to declare a new state ice cream flavor or tree or some nonsense... or to declare today national fuckery day... but something that would help people and not directly help the politicians or the rich/corporations? Naah... can't be bothered with that shit.

The problem isn't Left or Right... the problem is people full of themselves and themselves only. It would be the same no matter which party has the upper hand in power or which control the media in the moment... it's bad mojo. We need people with differing ideas who care. The differing ideas and sincerity will bear out in the end with a good plan. Too bad we can't do that.

 

[N-methylamphetamine]

I am right wing without doubt. Definitely not on the left! As a matter of fact I loathe leftist ideology for the most part and I was once a Democrat. The reason I'm not any long is mostly because they changed so much, not because I have. Since before I was old enough to vote the Dem opposed illegal border crossings. They used to have a position of "I disagree with you but as an American I'll fight for your and my right to have different opinions". It's no longer like that.

I am not of color but have always been supportive of the more oppressed groups and working class. Democrats don't support that anymore. Of course, I may be seeing a lot of algorithmic bias info. But I also gave up watching all news almost 20 years ago. Before the Obama years all people were meant to be held accountable regardless of race. The country believed in individualism instead of identity groups. There's been such a strong push to get people to identify as an oppressed person of some sort and I was taught not to live an identity. Not a race, ethnicity, illness or age group. The world/country has changed an awful lot and I believe we regular people have been intentional led down a path of destruction. I think I'm better at having more direct discussions regarding policy, not believing what a party preaches. My opinion on policy directs me and most often I research both sides and develop my opinion based on beliefs regarding what's best for society and the country as opposed to what's best for me personally.

Another aspect I take to heart is our constitution and Bill of Rights. What that all means and why it was written as well as who it was intended for. I take to heart the fact that the country is no longer united on anything substantial and my belief is that's intentional. We're being divided onto sides in order to be conquered. Those actually in charge want a sub class of slaves they don't have to answer to. That is not constitutional. It's elitist baloney.

politics in 2026 atp is starting to become a big ass cope

 

[rotthjärta]

You're really asking the wrong question.

In my experience, both with talking heads on TV and people I know in real life... Left and Right are just labels, "teams" picked sometimes arbitrarily. Everyone "must" pick a side and ride or die with that side. Doesn't matter what they actually believe, even if they actually believe anything... pick a side, support everything on that side blindly, and declare the other side to be Hitler. That's politics in America, and from what I can see a lot of the rest of the world too.

People don't often believe most of the things they say. You can test them on this by putting the shoe on the other foot and seeing how they react. Having an affair is "wrong" and "immoral" when the other side does it, but when someone on your side does it... well, no one is perfect don't throw stones and all that. Condemn the other side, cheer your side, even when many times both sides are doing the same thing.

If one side comes up with a good idea? YOU have to be against it... even if you like it... because you can't let the other side "win." It's stupid. But then there's the combination of the people who just blindly follow a side because they think they have to... and the people who are only in it for themselves, gaming the system to get theirs and screw everyone else. Most of your elected (or declared if you aren't in a Democracy) leaders are only in it for themselves and their friends. They don't give a half a thought about anyone else unless it serves them to get support for a vote OR serves as a distraction from something they've done that they want you to forget.

IF people truly believe in left or right, then they care about others and want what's best for most and they can come together on something to make it happen. In America we can get a bill passed in an hour to declare a new state ice cream flavor or tree or some nonsense... or to declare today national fuckery day... but something that would help people and not directly help the politicians or the rich/corporations? Naah... can't be bothered with that shit.

The problem isn't Left or Right... the problem is people full of themselves and themselves only. It would be the same no matter which party has the upper hand in power or which control the media in the moment... it's bad mojo. We need people with differing ideas who care. The differing ideas and sincerity will bear out in the end with a good plan. Too bad we can't do that.

I agree with you on that. It really sucks when I see that on the media well also irl, I have questioned some people on their views and idk it usually just them cutting the conversation short and it annoys me but I likely am annoying them because to them even just questioning them makes me seem as tho im "against" them. I try to always keep myself in check, I think its human or its sold to us the idea of winning or losing because at times I hear a logical argument towards something that leaves me feeling I guess uneasy, or a sense of idk fuck its like some stupid emotion but logically they are correct and I force myself to come to terms with the truth of things I wish more people would do that.

I still think Left is more common where I am from but its because I live in a city and I happen to live in the blue-ist city. BUT I have seen other cities where its very obvious its more red whatever the fuck. I guess I asked why its more common because a lot of western countries have been in the news accommodating for their side such as Spain, UK, Etc, passing laws or weird rules that impose on the rights of the citizens. But then again someone else can argue that the right is as loud as there have been a couple protest. Jesus Christ its so stupidly funny how we have put our-sleves in this weird blue or red team, xd

 

[eternallyjanedoe]

You're really asking the wrong question.

In my experience, both with talking heads on TV and people I know in real life... Left and Right are just labels, "teams" picked sometimes arbitrarily. Everyone "must" pick a side and ride or die with that side. Doesn't matter what they actually believe, even if they actually believe anything... pick a side, support everything on that side blindly, and declare the other side to be Hitler. That's politics in America, and from what I can see a lot of the rest of the world too.

People don't often believe most of the things they say. You can test them on this by putting the shoe on the other foot and seeing how they react. Having an affair is "wrong" and "immoral" when the other side does it, but when someone on your side does it... well, no one is perfect don't throw stones and all that. Condemn the other side, cheer your side, even when many times both sides are doing the same thing.

If one side comes up with a good idea? YOU have to be against it... even if you like it... because you can't let the other side "win." It's stupid. But then there's the combination of the people who just blindly follow a side because they think they have to... and the people who are only in it for themselves, gaming the system to get theirs and screw everyone else. Most of your elected (or declared if you aren't in a Democracy) leaders are only in it for themselves and their friends. They don't give a half a thought about anyone else unless it serves them to get support for a vote OR serves as a distraction from something they've done that they want you to forget.

IF people truly believe in left or right, then they care about others and want what's best for most and they can come together on something to make it happen. In America we can get a bill passed in an hour to declare a new state ice cream flavor or tree or some nonsense... or to declare today national fuckery day... but something that would help people and not directly help the politicians or the rich/corporations? Naah... can't be bothered with that shit.

The problem isn't Left or Right... the problem is people full of themselves and themselves only. It would be the same no matter which party has the upper hand in power or which control the media in the moment... it's bad mojo. We need people with differing ideas who care. The differing ideas and sincerity will bear out in the end with a good plan. Too bad we can't do that.

I definitely agree with this.
I am a person who doesn't identify or indulge in politics, though, I do like to have an understanding of everyones respective sides and opinions. It's really interesting to hear from everyone so far!

I agree with you on that. It really sucks when I see that on the media well also irl, I have questioned some people on their views and idk it usually just them cutting the conversation short and it annoys me but I likely am annoying them because to them even just questioning them makes me seem as tho im "against" them. I try to always keep myself in check, I think its human or its sold to us the idea of winning or losing because at times I hear a logical argument towards something that leaves me feeling I guess uneasy, or a sense of idk fuck its like some stupid emotion but logically they are correct and I force myself to come to terms with the truth of things I wish more people would do that.

I still think Left is more common where I am from but its because I live in a city and I happen to live in the blue-ist city. BUT I have seen other cities where its very obvious its more red whatever the fuck. I guess I asked why its more common because a lot of western countries have been in the news accommodating for their side such as Spain, UK, Etc, passing laws or weird rules that impose on the rights of the citizens. But then again someone else can argue that the right is as loud as there have been a couple protest. Jesus Christ its so stupidly funny how we have put our-sleves in this weird blue or red team, xd

Gosh, yes! I'm suprised of people who, despite engaging in politics, refuse to discuss with people of opposite beliefs. I just don't understand why others tend to fight over that instead of going "I understand your side, even if I don't agree." Why do they cut it short or become so defensive? It often feels like two leashed dogs attempting to bite each other despite both being in the same situation.
Also, yessss... I heavily agree with that point about Spain. I've been wanting to move back to Spain but.. yeah, no. Really, what are they doing???

 

[JealousOfTheElderly]

Leftists are useful idiots. tools of the modern day Bolsheviks. I never had respect for them.
I don't know if I have a political home anymore. I disagree with everything Trump is doing. I disagree with this war. I hate Netanyahu.
But I cannot bring myself to vote for the left. They bring societies to ruin with their policies. they feel so entitled and righteous that they are too blind to see the harm they cause others.
Social media tends to be a leftist cesspool. X is a right wing circlejerk. the uni-party but the leftist flavor is complete shit.

 

[amy joyce]

politics in 2026 atp is starting to become a big ass cope

I believe it has caused a lot of the suffering which started years ago - 2015.

It was so new to me because my TV had been turned off that I hadn't a clue about current events. I was in shock how the country had progressed/regressed simultaneously.

 

[wine is fine but]

I've always been online, it could be that more recently as I paid more attention to politics that I'm noticing everyone is mainly very left. IRL and online. I have family members that are too or have had friends that were. The interesting part is they lack education or understanding of basic laws. Most act entitled, just think of a low life is what I mean or an entitled person that just because they struggle and are poor that they can get away with things. If you go to online places like reddit or even youtube basically every social platform the only side that is tolerated for their hate speech and their violent calls to act is the left .-. . Also don't say thats not true causeee it's very plainly said on X or tt or reddit, also irl the amount of times someone has said that while talking about politicians......

I am a colored person and grew up in a trashy area and have seen how those kinds of people act and talk, Its a cycle of "trauma" really that gets passed down from generation to generation, these people cry that they "struggle" yet at once go around acting like antisocial people disrupting society and then when they get caught or told they cant do that they cry that they can because of "oppression", also they rarely ever face consequences so the cycle keeps repeating. My family is the same exact way.

I think a lot of "left people" don't actually understand what poor or poor and colored people act like, I KNOW CAUSE I SEE IT, these people shouldn't be infantilize or treated as struggle babies, no, that's not how you better society, you don't accommodate for the lower population that behaves so antisocial. Also most of these left people want to make life harder for the NORMAL people, whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. It's not that they don't know whats right or wrong, they don't care.

By antisocial I mean people who disregard the lives of others, who disrupt or create annoyance on purpose or from mere lack of knowledge that others DO exist. Like when some kids took an automatic and shot at every car in my neighborhood while driving down the street, like the people that go around doing dog-shit graffiti of their street gang even on the ground and on cars, like the people that go into stores and steal out of simply wanting to not out of necessity, like people who think that a simple wrong look allows for the person to be assaulted, like people who disregard the safety of others and street race or drive their car so fucking fast in a small neighborhood. Loud asf people who don't care if others across the world hear them. Little things like that ^^

NOT ALL PEOPLE act this ghetto way. There are some good people who get born out of bad circumstances but can we be serious and not pretend that most of them aren't gonna be the lucky one that gets out. Some are already drinking and doing drugs by middle school, why do I know that OH because I've seen it. OH my god no way your house got raided, shit must've been the wind. Oh your dad and your dad and YOUR dad went to jail?

Also do people know the rates of molestation or rape in poor areas OR ABUSE? Cause most of them have abusive or households that have struggled with something for generations either drug addictions or chronic offenders. Also those leftist mfs are the kind to see a person like that walking down the street and cross to the other street. Have you guys even ever been harassed by a dude on meth 5000 cause there were a couple of those around where I went to school at and where I lived. And I lived in a place where it was their spawn point.

I don't think all colored people act this way, But I can't deny what I've seen. A lot of these people even when they live in shit conditions and do it to themsleves they got brainwashed or some-shit that they are victims to the oppressing government so they keep voting for those kind of left people and keep seeing no improvement but then the person they keep voting for that wants votes goes around saying "I wILl SavE yoU" but nothing improves again and again so its like a cycle of brainwashing lies. They also worsen the police and the justice system and let out a lot of criminals on a whim because those dum dums will vote for them. Wait these are the same people committing fraud and then also accommodating for the stupid to keep being stupid and voting for them and they keep getting richer and lying to the public. Well shit.

Look right people have done shit things. So I don't wanna hear bUt the FilEs or But TheY diD ThiS, I KNOW IM NOT CHOOSING A BETTER WRONG, Im just not going to choose a mf who literally hates the country they are running for.

Also do you know how fucking privileged America is to be arguing about identity politics, lets not even get into that. Just be gay dude, I LIKE GIRLS AND GUYS but I don't have to make it my entire personality or say that I'm oppressed because IM NOT. If someone told me "My religion doesn't support whatever or personally I don't agree with those things" okay whatever, not everyone has to like you or support what you support. Some countries you can't speak up about it...... because.... yeah.

I know its a long rant but seeing how people talk or just act online and in real life is so infuriating. I am in the center of most of my opinions. I guess I lean right there are some things that If I say them around these people they will go mad. Also how my own family says the stupidest shit ever.

Is there even anyone who leans right. I done!!! ₍^. .^₎⟆i

i am not sure there is any such thing as right leaning

nowadays, you are a far right extremist if you
have a job
have values and are responsible for your actions
believe everyone is equal
have faith
believe that presidential candidates should be voted in democratically, and not just picked out by the party, like a "king" would do
believe that starting wars between russia and their closest neighbours is despicable
believe there is only two genders while being more than happy to call trans women and men by their new pronouns and allow transwomen to use female toilets (if for nothing else, they have cubicles and do not get close pissers like men get), but do not want them to be competing in women's sports and changing naked in the women's locker rooms (women should not be forced to see a whizzer unless they choose to see it)
believe that political assassinations are wrong
believe that being racist is wrong
among other things

so i am a far right extremist, even though the only thing i want for the world is for everyone to be happy, content and comfortable

I believe it has caused a lot of the suffering which started years ago - 2015.

It was so new to me because my TV had been turned off that I hadn't a clue about current events. I was in shock how the country had progressed/regressed simultaneously.

it all started in 2008 when the racist guy took office - we used to joke about america all of the time, saying, "we need america, there has to be somewhere for the americans to go", but from 2008, the jokes are much more serious and sadder. thankfully it is starting to change. in straya, we have just let many isis brides back into our once beautiful country, even though they went over to fight for a terrorist organisation. you seriously cannot make this stuff up. hopefully as usual, we follow america's lead or we are more than cactus

 

[N-methylamphetamine]

I believe it has caused a lot of the suffering which started years ago - 2015.

It was so new to me because my TV had been turned off that I hadn't a clue about current events. I was in shock how the country had progressed/regressed simultaneously.

no. It started after reagan took power.

 

[amy joyce]

i am not sure there is any such thing as right leaning

nowadays, you are a far right extremist if you
have a job
have values and are responsible for your actions
believe everyone is equal
have faith
believe that presidential candidates should be voted in democratically, and not just picked out by the party, like a "king" would do
believe that starting wars between russia and their closest neighbours is despicable
believe there is only two genders while being more than happy to call trans women and men by their new pronouns and allow transwomen to use female toilets (if for nothing else, they have cubicles and do not get close pissers like men get), but do not want them to be competing in women's sports and changing naked in the women's locker rooms (women should not be forced to see a whizzer unless they choose to see it)
believe that political assassinations are wrong
believe that being racist is wrong
among other things

so i am a far right extremist, even though the only thing i want for the world is for everyone to be happy, content and comfortable



it all started in 2008 when the racist guy took office - we used to joke about america all of the time, saying, "we need america, there has to be somewhere for the americans to go", but from 2008, the jokes are much more serious and sadder. thankfully it is starting to change. in straya, we have just let many isis brides back into our once beautiful country, even though they went over to fight for a terrorist organisation. you seriously cannot make this stuff up. hopefully as usual, we follow america's lead or we are more than cactus

Yes, I'm an extremist too although I haven't changed in my views for 20 years from when I was middle/right.

I'm "homophobic" even though I just don't want men changing in locker rooms next to women.
I'm "racist" because I disagree with identity politics and putting white Christian men last on the list for a job they are equally or more qualified for (my son couldn't get a starting position in my predominantly white neighborhood - not at the grocery store, McD's, the resale store, the car wash, the pet shop). Oh, and also because I believe in protecting our borders from illegal crossings and promote vetting all, giving health screenings and ensuring they're willing to assimilate to our values which are admittingly chaotic now - prisons are racist, allowing people to riot for days on end without interfering is expected and paying tribute to a woman beating drug addict who just raped a grandmother is the norm because an officer shot the poor man after he tried to take the officer's gun after strong robbing a grocery store.
It's

no. It started after reagan took power.

I was only about 14 at the time so my perspective is different. We could argue it started when JFK was assassinated or the depression began, both long before I was born. In all cases the result was the rich expanded their influence and somehow were able to blame average people, poor to transitioning middle class for wanting more or just existing.

 

[wine is fine but]

no. It started after reagan took power.

if you want to go that far back, then it was jimmy carter who turned iran from a beautiful place where women could walk the streets and be free to wear whatever they felt like, and everyone was prosperous - to the oppressive, women hating, and civilian killing hell hole it became

 

[N-methylamphetamine]

if you want to go that far back, then it was jimmy carter who turned iran from a beautiful place where women could walk the streets and be free to wear whatever they felt like, and everyone was prosperous - to the oppressive, women hating, and civilian killing hell hole it became

son

 

[WrathfulGloom32]

None of you are vegan nor anti porn/rape industry and you dare to talk about politics like you're not self centered bastards looking for the next morsel to keep to your own.

Both the American left and right is out for themselves, most people don't value anyone but themselves. Such is the capitalistic/communistic and human life in general. Maybe you should all just shut the fuck up and accept the pieces of garbage that you are since nobody is out there in the streets actually making a change, you cowardly cats.

I was not born on this planet to be lectured by murican consoomers and braindead rapist carnists, I have zero respect for the majority of the American right and the left, one wants to have minorities, disabled people and women as private property and the other wants them as public property, nothing more, nothing less, same shit, different toilet but at least the american left might have admirable individuals in it, once in a while; would never see a person that fits my criteria who is a right winger.

 

[Dejected 55]

People tend to remember it "starting" when they reached adulthood. Everyone thinks things "used to be better" but they time they remember is when they were kids and weren't immersed in the shit of daily adult life. It wasn't better "back then" it was just different. Every generation thinks it went to hell in their time, but if you look it's kind of always been hell for someone or another. Society shifts and what we notice and complain about shifts and increased communications and ability to travel with modern technology means more people can go to places than ever before and be exposed to people all over the world very easily online.

Like... the current rampant racism in the US didn't emerge because of Trump.. All these people who feel free to be racist were already racist long before Trump. Society just shifted a little and made them feel more comfortable being open in their hatred instead of hiding it. But it was there.

Mass shootings are up... but people have always been violent... technology and ability to get weapons change over time. IF more people had access to modern guns a hundred years ago there would have been more of this kind of stuff then too.

People are just kind of mostly shit really.

 

[amy joyce]

people tend to remember it "starting" when they reached adulthood

When I referred to when "it started", it was when I thought it had become exceptionally obvious it was a big con and the people were being played. Each side's been getting away with blaming the other or congress for nothing getting accomplished and more problems actually developing. Unfortunately it seems that people are more fooled than ever. My folks included and the older generations I worked with were into it and felt slighted that I didn't partake in voting; especially their side (especially being in a state of the US that it makes no difference). I have opinions about various policy like most people but don't have faith that the interests of 95% are being represented. Like it's all one big set up...... My lil rant was actually not very serious and mostly expressing disappointment in what I believe is sort of planned cultural and ideological breakdown on steroids, instead of seriously expressing myself to have a dialogue.

I was not born on this planet to be lectured by murican consoomers and braindead rapist carnists, I have zero respect for the majority of the American

Nobody tagged you, replied to you, was thinking of you, and mostly certainly doesn't care what you think. The give away was the "me me me", self centered infatuation you oddly have. That self deluding belief you were getting lectured overshadowed the bafoonery I was almost amused by before struck by your own self entanglement..... Something about hating women and liking rape was it?

I have a hint or suggestion for you, of which I'm certain you will disregard despite fewer truths ever being told to you: The political and ideological opinions of other people are unanimously their own and what they decide to disclose to you. What you think, believe, heard or were brainwashed to become obsessed about doesn't matter. Doesn't even make sense.

 

[WrathfulGloom32]

Nobody tagged you, replied to you, was thinking of you, and mostly certainly doesn't care what you think. The give away was the "me me me", self centered infatuation you oddly have. That self deluding belief you were getting lectured overshadowed the bafoonery I was almost amused by before struck by your own self entanglement..... Something about hating women and liking rape was it?

I have a hint or suggestion for you, of which I'm certain you will disregard despite fewer truths ever being told to you: The political and ideological opinions of other people are unanimously their own and what they decide to disclose to you. What you think, believe, heard or were brainwashed to become obsessed about doesn't matter. Doesn't even make sense.

Just wanted to chime in and say that usually all of you right wingers or left wingers who moan and bitch kind of deserve it since you're shit people in the first place

Sucks to suck, life's not fair

 

[Hvergelmir]

since you're shit people in the first place

Do you know them?

There are certainly movements that I'd like thoroughly eradicated, but I think it's wrong to judge people by association.

 

[PanaxMan]

I've always been online, it could be that more recently as I paid more attention to politics that I'm noticing everyone is mainly very left. IRL and online. I have family members that are too or have had friends that were. The interesting part is they lack education or understanding of basic laws. Most act entitled, just think of a low life is what I mean or an entitled person that just because they struggle and are poor that they can get away with things. If you go to online places like reddit or even youtube basically every social platform the only side that is tolerated for their hate speech and their violent calls to act is the left .-. . Also don't say thats not true causeee it's very plainly said on X or tt or reddit, also irl the amount of times someone has said that while talking about politicians......

I am a colored person and grew up in a trashy area and have seen how those kinds of people act and talk, Its a cycle of "trauma" really that gets passed down from generation to generation, these people cry that they "struggle" yet at once go around acting like antisocial people disrupting society and then when they get caught or told they cant do that they cry that they can because of "oppression", also they rarely ever face consequences so the cycle keeps repeating. My family is the same exact way.

I think a lot of "left people" don't actually understand what poor or poor and colored people act like, I KNOW CAUSE I SEE IT, these people shouldn't be infantilize or treated as struggle babies, no, that's not how you better society, you don't accommodate for the lower population that behaves so antisocial. Also most of these left people want to make life harder for the NORMAL people, whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. It's not that they don't know whats right or wrong, they don't care.

By antisocial I mean people who disregard the lives of others, who disrupt or create annoyance on purpose or from mere lack of knowledge that others DO exist. Like when some kids took an automatic and shot at every car in my neighborhood while driving down the street, like the people that go around doing dog-shit graffiti of their street gang even on the ground and on cars, like the people that go into stores and steal out of simply wanting to not out of necessity, like people who think that a simple wrong look allows for the person to be assaulted, like people who disregard the safety of others and street race or drive their car so fucking fast in a small neighborhood. Loud asf people who don't care if others across the world hear them. Little things like that ^^

NOT ALL PEOPLE act this ghetto way. There are some good people who get born out of bad circumstances but can we be serious and not pretend that most of them aren't gonna be the lucky one that gets out. Some are already drinking and doing drugs by middle school, why do I know that OH because I've seen it. OH my god no way your house got raided, shit must've been the wind. Oh your dad and your dad and YOUR dad went to jail?

Also do people know the rates of molestation or rape in poor areas OR ABUSE? Cause most of them have abusive or households that have struggled with something for generations either drug addictions or chronic offenders. Also those leftist mfs are the kind to see a person like that walking down the street and cross to the other street. Have you guys even ever been harassed by a dude on meth 5000 cause there were a couple of those around where I went to school at and where I lived. And I lived in a place where it was their spawn point.

I don't think all colored people act this way, But I can't deny what I've seen. A lot of these people even when they live in shit conditions and do it to themsleves they got brainwashed or some-shit that they are victims to the oppressing government so they keep voting for those kind of left people and keep seeing no improvement but then the person they keep voting for that wants votes goes around saying "I wILl SavE yoU" but nothing improves again and again so its like a cycle of brainwashing lies. They also worsen the police and the justice system and let out a lot of criminals on a whim because those dum dums will vote for them. Wait these are the same people committing fraud and then also accommodating for the stupid to keep being stupid and voting for them and they keep getting richer and lying to the public. Well shit.

Look right people have done shit things. So I don't wanna hear bUt the FilEs or But TheY diD ThiS, I KNOW IM NOT CHOOSING A BETTER WRONG, Im just not going to choose a mf who literally hates the country they are running for.

Also do you know how fucking privileged America is to be arguing about identity politics, lets not even get into that. Just be gay dude, I LIKE GIRLS AND GUYS but I don't have to make it my entire personality or say that I'm oppressed because IM NOT. If someone told me "My religion doesn't support whatever or personally I don't agree with those things" okay whatever, not everyone has to like you or support what you support. Some countries you can't speak up about it...... because.... yeah.

I know its a long rant but seeing how people talk or just act online and in real life is so infuriating. I am in the center of most of my opinions. I guess I lean right there are some things that If I say them around these people they will go mad. Also how my own family says the stupidest shit ever.

Is there even anyone who leans right. I done!!! ₍^. .^₎⟆

Sure but the left doesn't understand something needs to be created from something else and when that first option become.s nothing you get nothing. And the right is about the same with spending (with the left) of so yeah..

 

[amy joyce]

since you're shit people in the first place

Again, do you know any in real life or is your opinion from movies, social media or legacy media?
I don't care what you think but how you came to that conclusion might be interesting.

Unless you went on a tour of the states for a few years and interacted with the dozens of sub groups it'd be difficult to learn enough to conclude anything. People are that different, and not just politically which is very actually vague despite how it might appear.

 

[amy joyce]

Just wanted to chime in and say that usually all of you right wingers or left wingers who moan and bitch kind of deserve it since you're shit people in the first place

Sucks to suck, life's not fair

Another someone that chimes in to say something brilliantly worthless. Do you even know what right or left even means? Seriously. Like do you have an opinion at all about whether or not there should be socialism or capitalism, open borders or closed borders, any certain of welfare system or none at all or perhaps how taxes get spent?

If you do have any kind of opinion whatsoever on any of the above or similar issues that puts you on the left or on the right. There's no other reasoning behind that notion whatsoever.

So as I chime out with the mere suggestion that you think a bit more before calling billions of people "shit" which probably includes many you love including yourself, which makes you even shittier. Good luck on becoming anything more than an asshole when you grow up.

 

[Hvergelmir]

one wants to have minorities, disabled people and women as private property and the other wants them as public property

Despite the unhinged anger, I think there's some truth to this.

...left might have admirable individuals in it, once in a while; would never see a person that fits my criteria who is a right winger.

I think you're just biased. Admirable right-wingers tend to be work in the background, meeting demands, and supplying markets.
You don't notice the enormous supply chains that enables us to survive, unless they fail.

In comparison left-winger's do more of their work in the vocal frontline.
Left-winger's might push for increased aid, but affordable supplies tend to come from the right. They have different strengths and weaknesses.

 

[Dejected 55]

I'm frankly annoyed that the "right" and "left" monikers stuck. Most people don't know the origins...

It goes back to the French Revolution... yeah, you know how everyone loves to make fun of the French, right? But then modern society has gone and adopted naming conventions on political parties that were originally just the seating arrangement of French people in government. One group sat to the left of the person running the proceedings, while the other group sat to the right. Also, based on that time-period's values it is a little bit of a mixed bag because Democrats/Progressives and Republicans/Conservatives have evolved a lot over time and seem to almost switch sides every 50-100 years or so on many issues.

So, "left" and "right" was just a seating arrangement and an arbitrary one at that because no one forced anyone to sit where they sat back then... it just happened, and people adopted the names. It really obscures politics because "left" and "right" tells you very little about policies and character.

 

[Pluto]

 

[byec560]

High prices + low social mobility = converts to socialism. Plus the association between leftism and socially progressive causes that are generally considered good nowadays like civil rights. Is it a justified/good shift? Idk. Time will tell?

 

[Dejected 55]

High prices + low social mobility = converts to socialism. Plus the association between leftism and socially progressive causes that are generally considered good nowadays like civil rights. Is it a justified/good shift? Idk. Time will tell?

The problem, though, is that it isn't like the Left is pro-socialism and the right is against it... Because if you talk about social programs that would benefit the "right" then they are all for it. They just don't want the "left" to benefit. Both sides operate kind of the same way at the politician level and it trickles down to your more vocal voters.

People hate welfare, for instance, until they need it. The same people against welfare are in favor of farm and oil subsidies for corporations. So, a person who can't make it on their own without help is a bum, but a company that can't make it must be supported at all costs. Same thing on the bank bailouts. People lost their homes in 2008 after the crisis, but the banks all got government bail-outs.

Socialism for corporations and the wealthy... but not for the average citizen... so... it isn't just one side pro-socialism and the other against it. Both are for it when it suits them.

 

[Hvergelmir]

it isn't just one side pro-socialism and the other against it. Both are for it when it suits them.

I think the intents are very different, though.

With banks in particular, a collapse can have quite severe ripple effects.
I'd argue that bailouts are more about crisis management, and less about ideologically motivated support. I don't think there's any major difference between left and right, on that part(?).

 

[Dejected 55]

I think the intents are very different, though.

With banks in particular, a collapse can have quite severe ripple effects.
I'd argue that bailouts are more about crisis management, and less about ideologically motivated support. I don't think there's any major difference between left and right, on that part(?).

But it is still socialism. Like I said, both parties are for it when it suits them and against it when it doesn't. IF the banks are "too big to fail" and have to be bailed out no matter what shady/bad shit they do... then they have zero reason to run a proper business. Same for farm and oil subsidies. IF they are guaranteed support then they have no incentive to run their business correctly.

But wait... you say... things happen beyond their control and sometimes they need help... Except... what about when someone loses their job due to corporate layoffs not their fault and loses their home? Too bad for that dude (or dudette), right? Bob loses his job and home it's his fault and he shouldn't be a fuck up... BUT if Bob is the CEO of a major corporation and Bob doesn't run his business for shit, everyone has to run with baskets of money to help bail him out.

Socialism is socialism whether you like it or not. Personally, I'm fine with some socialism to help lift people up when things go sideways.

Police and Fire Departments are socialism you know... they protect you whether you are paying taxes or not because we all agreed that it is important for people to be safe moreso than to only protect people who pay. Imagine a world where police didn't protect you if you didn't pay taxes. You're unemployed? Too bad that guy beat the shit out of you and robbed you... you should have a job... we aren't socialists!

People also love the "I don't want to pay for other people" statements... but then they love their insurance... which works because a bunch of people contribute premiums to hedge against the risk so you don't have to pay all the costs for your claim... so, you know, other people are paying for your problems... and people love that shit! But then fuck you if you are hungry or living on the streets because "I don't want to pay for you"... then CEO wants his severance package and bailout for fucking up his company because he "needs" it.

The people with wealth and power just play a shell game and get all the rest of us fighting among ourselves while they do what they want to suit themselves. Left vs right, Democrats vs Republicans, just two sides of the same coin about getting theirs and helping their friends and family at the rest of our expense.

Sure, there are some decent people too... but they are few and far between and largely get drowned out by the masses in power who don't care.

Socialism for me but not for thee... is basically the mantra of the powerful.

Government gets "shut down", guess who still gets paid? Yep, they do... but if you go on strike, fuck you for being a socialist and not doing your job and wanting money, right?

 

[Hvergelmir]

Police and Fire Departments are socialism you know...

You're going to an extreme, almost declaring everything except total anarchy as socialism. Socialism is a big ideology, with fuzzy borders. Any ideology put into practice will have elements shared with it.

You rarely hear "defund the police" from the right, and when you do it's from fringe theorists. As far as I know, no elected leader have ever wanted to privatize police or fire departments.

Bob loses his job and home it's his fault and he shouldn't be a fuck up... BUT if Bob is the CEO of a major corporation and Bob doesn't run his business for shit, everyone has to run with baskets of money to help bail him out.

Bob and the corporation are separate entities, and the corporation might be crucial for the local economy (including the people that live there).
The most right-wing thing to do, would be to leave the market to fill the void. I almost want to call a bailout a left-wing thing. Even further left, I guess the state could have taken control of the corporation, replacing the leadership with state employees.

People also love the "I don't want to pay for other people" statements... but then they love their insurance...

The question is not about whether we should have safety nets or not.
The question is whether the state should have a say in your safety net, or if you should choose your own insurance level.

The most successful model seem to be a hybrid, and you have that in the U.S. too. Disagreements are usually not about whether the state should guarantee basic safety, but how much.

 

[Dejected 55]

You're going to an extreme, almost declaring everything except total anarchy as socialism. Socialism is a big ideology, with fuzzy borders. Any ideology put into practice will have elements shared with it.

You rarely hear "defund the police" from the right, and when you do it's from fringe theorists. As far as I know, no elected leader have ever wanted to privatize police or fire departments.

Bob and the corporation are separate entities, and the corporation might be crucial for the local economy (including the people that live there).
The most right-wing thing to do, would be to leave the market to fill the void. I almost want to call a bailout a left-wing thing. Even further left, I guess the state could have taken control of the corporation, replacing the leadership with state employees.

The question is not about whether we should have safety nets or not.
The question is whether the state should have a say in your safety net, or if you should choose your own insurance level.

The most successful model seem to be a hybrid, and you have that in the U.S. too. Disagreements are usually not about whether the state should guarantee basic safety, but how much.

But that's my point. Both major parties support socialism when it suits their needs. It's just that one side tries to demonize socialism as a bad thing across the board and refuses to acknowledge the socialism that they like. I'm not saying all socialism is always good. I'm just saying the side that seems to be the most vocally against it doesn't want to admit they quite like socialism when it funds or supports something or someone they like.

It's the "team" aspect of politics and society that grinds me. Everyone is expected to pick a side and ride or die with that side no matter what. If your side wants it, then it is great... but if the other side wants it then it sucks. You don't even have to go back too far to see this. Ronald Reagan was for amnesty for illegal immigrants that had been here a long time and had not been in legal trouble. Democrats were against it back then. Bill Clinton was more anti-immigration than Republicans back in the 1990s. Then both sides switched at some point and the Republicans became concerned about it while Democrats started looking the other way. There is certainly a problem with our immigration policies and enforcement, its just people in power like the way things work when it suits them and don't when it doesn't. Even during Trump cracking down, he wanted to allow immigration loopholes for people who come here to work on farms and hotels and such... which is weird, either illegal immigration is a problem or it isn't... not "it's a problem unless I own a hotel or a farm and then I look the other way 'cause cheap labor!"

The left and right thing in modern politics are more illusion than reality. Some people have some lines in the sand where they have solid policy... but for most things, they are fluid and will go where the wind blows to get them votes to get in office so they can enrich themselves and their buddies. Democrats and Republicans do this, not necessarily equally... it's fair to say at any given time one party is measurably worse than the other... but we aren't talking good vs evil... we're talking about selfish vs selfish and it depends on which things you like or need as to which party is favoring you... not necessarily what is good for the most people in the country.

As for "defund the police"... that was a lot of overblown rhetoric. Sure, there were some people that wanted more investigation into police and how they spent money, which I'd argue our government needs across the board... Not that DOGE fiasco... but an actual accounting of departments state and federal to see what they are doing with the money they are given through taxes. So, police departments that are wasteful or abusive maybe do need budget cuts... so that there is more money for the efficient understaffed police forces to get more money. But, buzzwords are all anyone has time for... so "defund the police" became a thing to divide people over when it was never the actual issue that needed addressing.

Incidentally, the buzzwords and double-speak are nice for both parties... because they not only divide the voters among themselves and distract from scrutinizing power, but it also allows obfuscation so that at any given time each side can say "that's not what I said" or "that's not what I mean" and give them wiggle room to switch sides if the public gets more unified behind the opposite thing.