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I find one of the ways mental illness is stigmatized is that people seem to believe that therapy is the cure for everything and if it doesn't your just not trying hard enough. They don't understand that mental illness can be caused by the physical function of the brain and so drugs are sometimes needed to allievate the suffering.

I actually envy people who live in America when it comes to being prescribed pharmaceuticals. Doctors in Ireland/Europe in general are so stingy with prescriptions. It's not helping anyone because people who are desperate for drugs like benzos/stimulants are just going to go and get them on the black market.
 
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They're stingy here to in Canada with benzodiazepines. You can have all the antipsychotics you want though. Anything that some doctor thinks can be used for recreational purposes will be hard to obtain. God forbid someone have clinical uses for pharmaceuticals.
 
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therapy is the cure for everything and if it doesn't your just not trying hard enough. They don't understand that mental illness can be caused by the physical function of the brain
Thats a great example of the belief in "free will" on which this society and human interactions are based. If you crazy or even just stupid - its your fault! Its everywhere, permiates our culture, religion. Some believe that this fundamental flaw in thinking is the cause of all perversity and misery in the world.
 
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I'm trying to get back into teaching after my last manic episode cost me my job.

On all the applications they want to know your medical diagnoses and what medicines you take.

You could write prefer not to say but they penalize you for it.

Theres no way I can list out lithium, vraylar, lamictal, effexor, and wellbutrin. They would assume I was unsafe around kids.

Even though the medication is the thing making me stable enough to teach.
 
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A lot of people have experienced harm than benefits from drugs, i wouldnt say that psychiayric drugs in my country are stigmatized since doctors dish out antidrpressants and neuroleptics left and right.

I am on this forum because of damage from ssri's. Ssris and AP's cause emotional blunting, weight gain as well as significant sexual dysfunction in many users as well as addiction.
 
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Because most drugs don't address the root causes of peoples problems, they just suppress the symptoms often at the cost of terrible side effects. Psychiatric drugs are the most guilty of this and the ones that are most helpful in treating things like trauma such as MDMA are illegal because our society is profoundly ignorant. Most forms of "mental illness" are a product of cruelty and a toxic environment, not genetics and you don't solve the former by numbing your emotions into oblivion to the detriment of your long term health. I am mainly against pseudoscientific drugs created to make money and used to treat fictitious illnesses, not things like sleeping pills.

"The pressure to reduce health care costs is aimed only at the treatment of real diseases. There is no pressure to reduce the costs of treating fictitious diseases. On the contrary, there is pressure to define ever more types of undesirable behaviors as mental disorders or addictions and to spend ever more tax dollars on developing new psychiatric diagnoses and facilities for storing and treating the victims of such diseases, whose members now include alcoholics, drug abusers, smokers, overeaters, self-starvers, gamblers, etc."
― Thomas Stephen Szasz, Cruel Compassion: Psychiatric Control of Society's Unwanted
 
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Because all medication comes at a cost. Psychoactive medications all cause profound long term metabolic and cerebral changes as well as short term 'side effects'. They may be necessary for some, they may offer a short term benefit, but they are all arguably harmful in the long term.
However, psych meds are stigmatized because they mark you as having mental issues which opens you up to discrimination.
 
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A lot of people have experienced harm than benefits from drugs, i wouldnt say that psychiayric drugs in my country are stigmatized since doctors dish out antidrpressants and neuroleptics left and right.

I am on this forum because of damage from ssri's. Ssris and AP's cause emotional blunting, weight gain as well as significant sexual dysfunction in many users as well as addiction.

Why is emotional blunting bad though? You don't feel anything. Doesn't seem bad to me
 
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A lot of people have experienced harm than benefits from drugs, i wouldnt say that psychiayric drugs in my country are stigmatized since doctors dish out antidrpressants and neuroleptics left and right.

I am on this forum because of damage from ssri's. Ssris and AP's cause emotional blunting, weight gain as well as significant sexual dysfunction in many users as well as addiction.
Same. I'm a lobotomized, castrated, sleepless, physically destroyed zombie from SSRIs. Benzos worked well for me but most psych drugs are just shit.
I'd take my old OCD, anxiety, and depression anyday and figure out any other way to deal with it. Maybe benzos. Hell I'd go street drugs before ADs or APs. SSRIs are the reason I'm going to kill myself. Of course I'm not a person anymore anyway.
Plus they can destroy your looks on top of things.
 
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I want to leave this Earth as soon as I can, at the point it will have minimal effects on family.

No way I'd ever want to come back.
 
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I actually envy people who live in America when it comes to being prescribed pharmaceuticals. Doctors in Ireland/Europe in general are so stingy with prescriptions. It's not helping anyone because people who are desperate for drugs like benzos/stimulants are just going to go and get them on the black market.
I think this too how lucky Americans are they can just get anything prescribed especially benzos, I started using benzos I obtained through the dark net and my anxiety that I have had for years completely disappeared I didn´t feel high just without anxiety, then I ran out and went to the hospital with withdrawals because I didn´t know I would get physically addicted after only using such small amount.

In the last months I had been tapering off benzos by getting a prescription for Diazepam and before I used alprazolam and clonazepam but Diazepam was so much better in my experience I just didn´t feel a bit off like I did with clonazepam it just took the anxiety away and immediately since it´s the fastest acting benzo, but since I couldn´t and wouldn´t quit I was cut off LUCKILY I still had my baggy with some clonazepam I got illegal otherwise I would´ve been to the hospital again, btw the place I was tapering out is a place for anxiety and "you can´t have an addiction" if you are to be treated there (for my throat problem) So their plan is to taper me off benzos and then go 1 month without it before starting on an SSRI which will take a month to work because they say they are safer so I will have to go at least 1 month with anxiety maybe 2 depending on how fast the SSRI will work.

So for over a month I have been using clonazepam I got on the darkweb because they just cut me off well-knowing the site effects can result in death while in the US I could just get prescribed Diazepam as easily as doctors prescribe/push their precious SSRI meds in Denmark and possibly Europe too. I am also very suicidal and don´t know if I will be alive a week from now so how the hell can I plan on going through the hell of anxiety and withdrawals for months suicidal people don´t think that far ahead because as far as we know we might be dead by then plus I have no goal, hopes or dreams and not even friends or hobbies because of apathy and anhedonia, benzos just made my "life" a tiny bit easier by removing generalized anxiety and they want to take that away from me why don´t they just kick the chair themselves.
 
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Talk therapy can be just as harmful and unhelpful as medication. Both are forced upon people and if they don't work, they just go onto the next one. If talk therapy doesn't work, they push you to someone with a different technique or continue to tell you that you just haven't found the right therapist/psychologist..they will rarely-if ever-tell anyone that therapy is not helpful to them. (Although I actually was told that by more than one psych doc). As for medications, it's the same deal, and at the end of the line, when "nothing else works", they will strap you down and shock you silly until you're a mindless memoryless zombie. And if that doesn't work? Well they will just keep doing it anyway.

If you want drugs and they help you..well, that's when they WON'T give them to you. They love to do the exact opposite of what you have deemed the proper route for yourself. So if I were you, I would find a loop hole or try a different tactic to get what helps you. Play them at their own game.

That said..most medications will only treat the symptoms, they won't cure anything. The whole idea behind chemical imbalance and psych meds is more myth than medicine. You should research it.
If I had to, I would personally only use "as needed" meds for anxiety since it can make things worse and cause problems when someone needs to be calm in public situations..and meds for sleep, because everyone needs to sleep. Lack of it makes every issue one has magnified.
 
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In the states we do get our drugs on! I've been on something for so long I'm almost numb!
 
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Shamana

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Why is emotional blunting bad though? You don't feel anything. Doesn't seem bad to me

Because it's like losing your soul. It's like saying why were actual lobotomies bad, I mean they just removed the frontal lobe where all our higher human functions come from. Healing from mental illness doesn't come from fronal lobe damage.
Same. I'm a lobotomized, castrated, sleepless, physically destroyed zombie from SSRIs. Benzos worked well for me but most psych drugs are just shit.
I'd take my old OCD, anxiety, and depression anyday and figure out any other way to deal with it. Maybe benzos. Hell I'd go street drugs before ADs or APs. SSRIs are the reason I'm going to kill myself. Of course I'm not a person anymore anyway.
Plus they can destroy your looks on top of things.

Hey J, i sent you a message on fb, a brief while ago on this. Although I visit this site every now and then, i'm not actively or actutely suicidal. Benzo's havn't been so bad for me either, they have actuallyl helped me relax so I can sit down and focus on stuff.
 
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Although I visit this site every now and then, i'm not actively or acutely suicidal.

Heya @Shamana! Good to see your typeface. Keep well x
 
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I find one of the ways mental illness is stigmatized is that people seem to believe that therapy is the cure for everything and if it doesn't your just not trying hard enough. They don't understand that mental illness can be caused by the physical function of the brain and so drugs are sometimes needed to allievate the suffering.

I actually envy people who live in America when it comes to being prescribed pharmaceuticals. Doctors in Ireland/Europe in general are so stingy with prescriptions. It's not helping anyone because people who are desperate for drugs like benzos/stimulants are just going to go and get them on the black market.
Well, my experiences with them are that they only suppress the symptoms, but don't help you get rid of your problems. If you have an incurable disease, then they make sense, but if your illness can be treated the meds don't really help and fuck you up even more with side-effects.
 
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Benzo's/stims are hard to get in the UK as they have potential for abuse/recreational use leading to addiction. Benzo's can be bad for you long term even if you have a genuine anxiety problem. Sustained release stims like methylphenidate (concerta) aren't quite as risky as benzo's imo.

People with ADHD might get stims, you'd have a good chance of getting a long term stim prescription if u went to a private psychiatrist who can diagnose ADHD plus short waiting times but expensive. SSRI's and AP's etc don't get u high so have no abuse potential so docs aren't as worried about handing them out.
 
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Benzo's/stims are hard to get in the UK as they have potential for abuse/recreational use leading to addiction. Benzo's can be bad for you long term even if you have a genuine anxiety problem. Sustained release stims like methylphenidate (concerta) aren't quite as risky as benzo's imo.

People with ADHD might get stims, you'd have a good chance of getting a long term stim prescription if u went to a private psychiatrist who can diagnose ADHD plus short waiting times but expensive. SSRI's and AP's etc don't get u high so have no abuse potential so docs aren't as worried about handing them out.

Ssri's are terribly addictive they are just not euphoric in general.
 
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Ssri's are terribly addictive they are just not euphoric in general.
That might be the case for you and some others but generally SSRI's and the like are not considered to be as addictive as many of the drugs of abuse. Benzo withdrawals for example can cause death.
AP's can cause withdrawals for some people too especially if not tapered when coming off them.
 
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That might be the case for you and some others but generally SSRI's and the like are not considered to be as addictive as many of the drugs of abuse. Benzo withdrawals for example can cause death.
AP's can cause withdrawals for some people too especially if not tapered when coming off them.

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There has been more complaints about SSRI's and addiction than nearly any other medication. And some people do commit suicide during withdrawel espcially on cold turkey.
 
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@Shamana being more complaints about them could be due to in part to being by far the most commonly used psyche medication?
Ik some have problems but i don't think it's a majority else then they would not be used, prozac has been around for 20+ years and would've been stopped being prescribed if this effected a majority of people.
Benzo's can kill through the bodies reaction to withdrawals there's no conscious decision involved like in suicide.
Don't get me wrong ik SSRI's can cause harm but i think this is a minority it effects. Most drugs have sides it's all about benefits/risks ratios.
 
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@Shamana being more complaints about them could be due to in part to being by far the most commonly used psyche medication?
Ik some have problems but i don't think it's a majority else then they would not be used, prozac has been around for 20+ years and would've been stopped being prescribed if this effected a majority of people.
Benzo's can kill through the bodies reaction to withdrawals there's no conscious decision involved like in suicide.
Don't get me wrong ik SSRI's can cause harm but i think this is a minority it effects. Most drugs have sides it's all about benefits/risks ratios.


It took 30 years for doctors to acknowledge that barbiturates cause dependency, 30 years for benzodiapines and now 35-40 years for SSRI's and SNRI's.

The FDA is in generel an incredibly impotent and clinical trials made by drug companies them selves are usually incredibly biased, flawed and in some cases fraudulent.

You just have to google antidepressant withdrawel to see how big a problem it is. It was only one my 6th attempt I managed to taper off Cymbalta because the withdrawels were so severe. Effexor, Paxil and Cymbalta are particulary notorius for being difficult to taper off.
 
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A lot of people have experienced harm than benefits from drugs, i wouldnt say that psychiayric drugs in my country are stigmatized since doctors dish out antidrpressants and neuroleptics left and right.

I am on this forum because of damage from ssri's. Ssris and AP's cause emotional blunting, weight gain as well as significant sexual dysfunction in many users as well as addiction.
Sorry to hear that! I completely agree and have suffered damage because of these so called meds. In fact, I'm here because of these pos meds.
peace/hugs❤️
 
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@Shamana
I can't dispute your experience and can't claim to know much other than superficial knowledge about ssri's i took them once years ago for about 3 weeks didnt feel any different on or coming off them but it was only a few weeks.
Thing with barbs and benzo's is that they are enjoyable so some can get addicted even if theyre not trying to treat an illness, theres a blackmarket for them, that will never happen with ssri's.

Edit to add: AP's cured me of schizophrenia.
 
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@Shamana
I can't dispute your experience and can't claim to know much other than superficial knowledge about ssri's i took them once years ago for about 3 weeks didnt feel any different on or coming off them but it was only a few weeks.
Thing with barbs and benzo's is that they are enjoyable so some can get addicted even if theyre not trying to treat an illness, theres a blackmarket is them, that will never happen with ssri's.

Yeah, but depency isn't strictly related to craving a higher and higher dosages, like Peter said, that is like saying that Cigarettes are not addictive because smokers don't crave more than 20 a day. It's true most SSRI's and SNRI's don't cause euphoria, they are anti-pleasure drugs, they make unable get high from almost anything can cause significant sexual dysfunction in about 60% of patients who had a healthy and normal sexual function before taking the drugs.
 
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Ssri's are helping lots of people but they're also ruining other people's lives. I think there are tests to see who is compatible with what, but that probly costs too much. So its just russian roulette for now
 
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Personally, I haven't found this to be the case. It seems like the opposite tends to be true from what I've seen: doctors are quick to prescribe drugs for mental illness and depression, whereas talk therapy is cast off as "too expensive" or "not useful". Insurance companies won't pay for more than a select amount of therapy sessions, but they'll happily shell out coverage for any number of psychiatric drugs.

I think therapy would likely be MORE effective for a lot of people suffering from mental illness than simply shoving drugs in their mouths that merely mask the symptoms. We get told that mental illness and depression are simple "chemical imbalances" in the brain that can be corrected by drugs...but I don't believe it.

Sure, in some situations that may be the case, but I think that for the vast majority of people, mental illness (particularly depression) is caused by a combination of internal and external factors, such as childhood trauma, bullying, poor coping skills due to inadequate parenting, environmental stressors, dissatisfaction to due ill-suited jobs or living situations, etc.

For these people, I really don't see how putting them on drugs really helps to improve their situation in any long-lasting way. It merely numbs the symptoms. For some people, that numbing may be enough to keep them feeling somewhat level-headed in dissatisfying life circumstances.

For others, though, I believe long-term therapy that teaches them coping skills and how to sit with and understand their pain- as opposed to just numbing it with drugs- would garner much more substantial gains in terms of healing and recovery.

The fact of the matter is that our pain has meaning. It's trying to tell us something, and what that something is may not be totally clear at first until we learn to sit with it long enough to recognize what it's trying to tell us and where it originates. Pain isn't just some meaningless burden we need to escape as quickly as possible.

That's what the drugs do, imo. They provide an "escape" without lending to any kind of true, long-term growth or change. For some, that's all they want. But, I think a lot of us out here have been tricked into believing that mental illness is just a "chemical imbalance" that we can rectify with drugs rather than, in many cases, a legitimate mental and psychological response to pain and suffering + inadequate coping skills to deal with that pain. I don't buy it.
 
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I find one of the ways mental illness is stigmatized is that people seem to believe that therapy is the cure for everything and if it doesn't your just not trying hard enough. They don't understand that mental illness can be caused by the physical function of the brain and so drugs are sometimes needed to allievate the suffering.

I actually envy people who live in America when it comes to being prescribed pharmaceuticals. Doctors in Ireland/Europe in general are so stingy with prescriptions. It's not helping anyone because people who are desperate for drugs like benzos/stimulants are just going to go and get them on the black market.
It's true that doctors are stingy in Europe with potentially addictive drugs. I have only ever been able to get benzos on the black market.
 
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