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Hagi_Im

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Feb 16, 2025
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Hello everyone, I want to tell you about method with which I want to take the bus . In general, a user with @Intoxicated shared information about whipped cream. Special thanks to him❤️. I can say that I have 2 methods. The first is to fill a bag with nitrous oxide, put it on your head and seal your neck with duct tape. In principle, this is not difficult if you know how to do it correctly. The second method is to pump N2O into the bag, then attach the CPAP tube to the bag and mask and seal it so that oxygen does not get in. I tested the effect of nitrous oxide on myself, and I am 100% sure that it will work. Write what you think, it will be interesting to read. Any shortcomings, criticism, etc.
 

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Basically we're talking about exit bag method and it's variations here. So yea, any inert gas (except CO2 obviously) will work. Trick is to a)fill your lungs with inert gas, b) still remove CO2 from your system, preventing emergency response from kicking in. So, tight sealing bag around your neck is not recommended since you want inert gas mixed with breathed out CO2 to be pushed out of bag by fresh supply of inert gas. See relevant megathread.

 
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Hagi_Im

As long as I live, I will remember
Feb 16, 2025
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Basically we're talking about exit bag method and it's variations here. So yea, any inert gas (except CO2 obviously) will work. Trick is to a)fill your lungs with inert gas, b) still remove CO2 from your system, preventing emergency response from kicking in. So, tight sealing bag around your neck is not recommended since you want inert gas mixed with breathed out CO2 to be pushed out of bag by fresh supply of inert gas. See relevant megathread.


Unfortunately, I won't be able to make a constant air flow, as I'll be using small 8g N2O cartridges, not a full-size 10L cylinder. The principle of this method is similar to the exit bag + inert gas from PPH, only the emphasis is not on displacing CO2 with a constant flow of inert gas, but on ensuring the loss of sensitivity to CO2 before it accumulates inside the hermetically sealed bag in quantities that cause discomfort. In order to quickly and smoothly pass out, the ratio of air to nitrous oxide should be no more than 1:3, taking into account the initial presence of air in the lungs, the volume of which should be minimized by a full exhalation before putting on the bag.
 
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Jadeith

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Well, all i can do is wish you luck and painless journey. Personally i'm too afraid of failure so i'm going for full N2 tank with SN as a backup.
 
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Hagi_Im

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Feb 16, 2025
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Well, all i can do is wish you luck and painless journey. Personally i'm too afraid of failure so i'm going for full N2 tank with SN as a backup.
Yes, I would like to use a cylinder, but unfortunately I have nowhere to store it and I will do CTB in the forest or mountains. And it will be difficult to drag such a colossus. I do not live alone, so it will not work at home, and if I bring a cylinder to a hotel, it will be very suspicious. Therefore, I will find a place where my body will be found only in 2-3 days. And the load in the form of small cylinders will not be difficult to drag. Yes, and I wish you good luck.
 
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Jadeith

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if I bring a cylinder to a hotel, it will be very suspicious
You can try to conceal it as diving equipment but i agree that hauling it around in the forest/mountainside will prove challenging.
 
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You can try to conceal it as diving equipment but i agree that hauling it around in the forest/mountainside will prove challenging.
Maybe a really big duffel bag would do the trick, wouldn't look too out of place if you say it's for camping/supplies.
 
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So yea, any inert gas (except CO2 obviously) will work.
Actually, CO2 would work too, causing loss of consciousness maybe even faster than inert gases. Respiratory arrest from CO2 is also very rapid - just about 1 - 1.5 minutes at concentration of 30% or above. The main drawback is significant discomfort.
b) still remove CO2 from your system, preventing emergency response from kicking in.
Is there any actual research that demonstrates "emergency response" in unconscious people? I know that the PPH authors expressed some concerns about accumulation of CO2, but they didn't offer any decent evidence in support of mandatory continuous removal of CO2.

Besides, nitrous oxide has anesthetic properties which most inert gases (like nitrogen, helium and argon) don't have (krypton and xenon are notable exceptions). N2O has been proven to suppress hypercapnia-associated symptoms at elevated CO2 levels in people


that makes necessity in constant flushing of CO2 even more questionable in case of using N2O gas asphyxiation particularly.
So, tight sealing bag around your neck is not recommended since you want inert gas mixed with breathed out CO2 to be pushed out of bag by fresh supply of inert gas. See relevant megathread.

Does that megathread provide any realistic (and preferably evidence-supported) explanation of how an unconscious person may be influenced by hypercapnic alarm (keeping in mind that this unconsciousness is hypoxia-induced and it's not just a plain sleep)? As far as I can see, the first posts there don't go any farther than just parroting what PPH said in this regard.
You can try to conceal it as diving equipment but i agree that hauling it around in the forest/mountainside will prove challenging.
I think, a dude with a gas tank in a hotel would look very suspiciously ))) Especially if there are no well-known places for diving nearby (I guess, diving in a hotel's bathtub wouldn't look like a good excuse, LOL). The OP could have a hard time trying to explain the security staff that the tank doesn't contain a flammable/explosive or toxic gas and it doesn't pose any risk for the building and people inside it.
 
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Actually, CO2 would work too, causing loss of consciousness maybe even faster than inert gases. Respiratory arrest from CO2 is also very rapid - just about 1 - 1.5 minutes at concentration of 30% or above. The main drawback is significant discomfort.
Yes, i should be more precise - "not working" in this case meant that it will be far from pleasant since suffocation SI response for humans is triggered by raised levels of CO2 in blood.. Will it be faster than other inert gasses? No. It's abut the same since in all cases you cut off the O2, depending only on how effectively you replace the O2 with said gas.
Is there any actual research that demonstrates "emergency response" in unconscious people?
Yes, it's basic human biology and can be most easily observed in drowning people who, while well past the "consious/unconsious" point, still try to swim and even attack rescuers, all this while holding their breath.
Same with placing your hand over unconscious person face. They will fight it. Of course, if hypoxia sets deeply enough, there'll no oxygen to power the muscles so any fighting response will cease at this point.

Besides, nitrous oxide has anesthetic properties which most inert gases (like nitrogen, helium and argon) don't have (krypton and xenon are notable exceptions). N2O has been proven to suppress hypercapnia-associated symptoms at elevated CO2 levels in people
Basically any non biologically active gas will work the same way as long as you can remove CO2 from your system. That's where industrial accidents happen. People falling to N2 atmosphere or waste disposal workers


With nitrous oxide being actually an exception because it's not biologically inert. It does interact with human organism, hence it's medical uses.

Does that megathread provide
Since it's a megathread i honestly didn't check what exactly it contains, post by post. But if you are interested in more scientific approach, i'm sure that sources outside SaSu will be heplful.
I think, a dude with a gas tank in a hotel would look very suspiciously
What - i'm traveling to a destination with water. Never said that i'm gonna dive at the hotel's location, it's just a pit-stop :wink:
 
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Will it be faster than other inert gasses? No. It's abut the same since in all cases you cut off the O2, depending only on how effectively you replace the O2 with said gas.
Unlike nitrogen and nobel gases, CO2 is a chemical asphyxiant that can kill a human without limiting oxygen concentration in the breathed gas mixture. Inhaling CO2 at concentration of 30% is rapidly fatal regardless of how much O2 you add to it. 30% CO2 + 70% O2 is nearly as deadly as 30% CO2 + 70% N2 + 0% O2. The effects of carbon dioxide poisoning are well explained in the resources below


I don't know about any researches that would compare time to LOC from CO2 poisoning and from asphyxiation by simple asphyxiants (like N2 or Ar), but I could expect that CO2 may induce unconsciousness slightly faster, considering how aggressively it acts.
Yes, it's basic human biology and can be most easily observed in drowning people who, while well past the "consious/unconsious" point, still try to swim and even attack rescuers, all this while holding their breath.
Unconscious people fighting rescuers - that sounds like urban legends ))) I wouldn't take such stories seriously.
Same with placing your hand over unconscious person face. They will fight it.
That depends on the type of unconsciousness. If the person was put under general anesthesia, I doubt that they would do anything. Inert gas asphyxiation is able to induce the state equivalent to general anesthesia within 2 minutes, as proven by the experiments of F. Hewitt whose dental patients were fully anesthetized after inhaling a mixture of 95% nitrogen and 5% oxygen for 75 - 95 seconds (https://i.sanctioned-suicide.net/images/2024/12/215946_N2O_-_BRITISH_JOURNAL_OF_ANAESTHESIA.pdf page 956).
Of course, if hypoxia sets deeply enough, there'll no oxygen to power the muscles so any fighting response will cease at this point.
People experience lack of responsiveness in muscles even before losing consciousness from breathing asphyxiants. I went through this stage too, as I tried N2O asphyxiation on myself, and I hardly imagine how you could "fight" beyond that point, after starting to feel yourself paralyzed.
What - i'm traveling to a destination with water. Never said that i'm gonna dive at the hotel's location, it's just a pit-stop :wink:
In the OP's country, citizens have registered residence address written in their passports. They are required (by law) to present passport before checking into a hotel. If you're a citizen who wants to pretend to be a traveler there, you'd have to move to a different city than the one specified in your passport. And transportation of a heavy cylinder across cities without having own car would be a pain in the ass.

Not having a car is common in the OP's country due to big expenses (many people don't have a good income there), lack of convenient parking places, and presence of developed public transport. If you have a car, it would be more safe to drive to a quiet place and carry out CTB inside the car than deal with hotels.
 
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