Method Which bottle of inert gas should I buy from this list?

[Stepheng7287]

So I have my Max Dog Brewing regulator and my non-rebreather mask at the ready and my final step is to order a bottle of gas. I just don't know which one to buy out of these 4:

100% Argon (10 litre) €89 (24 kg) 230bar
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100% Argon (10 litre) €110 (17kg) 300bar
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100% Nitrogen (10L) €45 (22kg) 200bar
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100% Nitrogen (2L) €99 (200bar)


The 2 litre one is on a different website from the other 3 but I would much rather buy the smallest bottle I can if it would do the trick. Just don't want to run out of gas and be a vegetable.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I would choose Nitrogen over Argon. The air we breathe every day is 78% Nitrogen. Earth's atmosphere is 78% Nitrogen. So our bodies are used to breathing in Nitrogen everyday 12 times per minute : so nitrogen is less likely to cause alarm in the brain imo. I'm in the U.S. so here i would buy several 40 cubic feet cylinders of pure nitrogen gas. Not sure about Europe as the measurements might be different. I would buy several for testing purposes.

Here is a 40 cubic foot cylinder empty : https://hdsupplysolutions.com/p/40-cubic-feet-rr-nitrogen-cylinder-purchase-p235011

I would buy and have bought several full cylinders of pure nitrogen gas for testing purposes.

 

[Stepheng7287]

I would choose Nitrogen over Argon. The air we breathe every day is 78% Nitrogen. Earth's atmosphere is 78% Nitrogen. So our bodies are used to breathing in Nitrogen everyday 12 times per minute : so nitrogen is less likely to cause alarm in the brain imo. I'm in the U.S. so here i would buy several 40 cubic feet cylinders of pure nitrogen gas. Not sure about Europe as the measurements might be different. I would buy several for testing purposes.

Here is a 40 cubic foot cylinder empty : https://hdsupplysolutions.com/p/40-cubic-feet-rr-nitrogen-cylinder-purchase-p235011

I would buy and have bought several full cylinders of pure nitrogen gas for testing purposes.

I think Max Dog recommend a 20 cubic foot cylinder. Yours is 40 cubic feet and is half the weight of the heaviest one I'm looking at. Guess I don't need much gas at all by the looks of it.

 

[Meditation guide]

So I have my Max Dog Brewing regulator and my non-rebreather mask at the ready and my final step is to order a bottle of gas. I just don't know which one to buy out of these 4:

100% Argon (10 litre) €89 (24 kg) 230bar
-
100% Argon (10 litre) €110 (17kg) 300bar
-
100% Nitrogen (10L) €45 (22kg) 200bar
-
100% Nitrogen (2L) €99 (200bar)


The 2 litre one is on a different website from the other 3 but I would much rather buy the smallest bottle I can if it would do the trick. Just don't want to run out of gas and be a vegetable.

Will the mask attach to the regulator without some sort of adapter?

 

[Aap]

Stop spreading nonsense about Ar vs Nitrogen. Geez, buying multiple tanks? How many times do you need to "test" something. You are going to get into a tautological loop of "I need to obsessively test every cylinder before considering it for use. I can no longer use this cylinder because it is almost empty and now need a new cylinder. Now, I cannot use the new cylinder until I extensively test it."

the cylinder is either adequately full or it's not. It is really straight forward.

 

[Stepheng7287]

Stop spreading nonsense about Ar vs Nitrogen. Geez, buying multiple tanks? How many times do you need to "test" something. You are going to get into a tautological loop of "I need to obsessively test every cylinder before considering it for use. I can no longer use this cylinder because it is almost empty and now need a new cylinder. Now, I cannot use the new cylinder until I extensively test it."

the cylinder is either adequately full or it's not. It is really straight forward.

So Argon is just as good then? Anyways I'm thinking of just buying the 2litre bottle of Nitrogen but if that's not available or something atleast I know Argon is back on the table! Thanks! Also, would you recommend testing the method at all first? I know some users on here have gone as far as to put the mask against their face and when they pass out it falls off. That seems very wasteful though.

 

[Meditation guide]

I know some users on here have gone as far as to put the mask against their face and when they pass out it falls off. That seems very wasteful though.

I would test it to death.

 

[Stepheng7287]

I would test it to death.

What if I only test it to vegetable?

 

[Meditation guide]

What if I only test it to vegetable?

Or test it to blind and dizzy.

 

[Stepheng7287]

Or test it to blind and dizzy.

In all seriousness, that's the scariest thing I can imagine. Still being stuck in this shitty life but it being even shittier and not having the option to CTB anymore.

 

[Aap]

I'm not sure what you are testing. Do you need to test the effects of the inert gas itself? No of course not any more than you need to test the effects of anesthesia before surgery or test shooting yourself in the head before shooting yourself in the head. The physiologic effects of the gas are known and universal.

mechanically, sure. You should turn the gas on, ensure it flows, and ensure the bag fills/there aren't leaks/elastic does it's job (holds bag in place but allows gas to exit the bottom).

 

[sadbadpsychogirl]

I'm not sure what you are testing. Do you need to test the effects of the inert gas itself? No of course not any more than you need to test the effects of anesthesia before surgery or test shooting yourself in the head before shooting yourself in the head. The physiologic effects of the gas are known and universal.

mechanically, sure. You should turn the gas on, ensure it flows, and ensure the bag fills/there aren't leaks/elastic does it's job (holds bag in place but allows gas to exit the bottom).

are you ever pleasant?

 

[Aap]

When it is difficult to attack the message, attack the messenger. If I've posted anything not factual, by all means correct it. There are plenty of cuddly characters here. If considering taking the most final action, I'd rather have correct info over "everyone gets a participation trophy."

I wasn't being in any way unpleasant to Stepheng; I'm not sure what your particular issue is.

 

[sadbadpsychogirl]

a while ago i made a post about a failed air embolism and your response was just very rude and abrupt, thats what i was referring to. nothing wrong with that i was just pointing it out. sorry to bother you.

 

[Aap]

No clue what post you are referring to, but I'm sure my response was something along the lines of "it's a very bad idea, and the amount needed is actually several orders of magnitude above what is shown in the movies."

 

[Emily_Numb]

No clue what post you are referring to, but I'm sure my response was something along the lines of "it's a very bad idea, and the amount needed is actually several orders of magnitude above what is shown in the movies."

I for one appreciate your direct approach and factual posts. To be honest I wish more people on here would be more genuine than be so damn fluffy about everything. You can't be blunt on here or have an actual opinion without someone calling you rude or mean.

 

[Stepheng7287]

Will the mask attach to the regulator without some sort of adapter?

Sorry, just saw your comment now.

Firstly, here's the mask:



And here's the other end connected to the MDB regulator (It can be pushed on further but I needed it back off)



Also, here's a picture of the tubing that came with the regulator (green tube) beside the masks tubing:


If you want any other photos let me know

 

[Despairing]

Stop spreading nonsense about Ar vs Nitrogen. Geez, buying multiple tanks? How many times do you need to "test" something. You are going to get into a tautological loop of "I need to obsessively test every cylinder before considering it for use. I can no longer use this cylinder because it is almost empty and now need a new cylinder. Now, I cannot use the new cylinder until I extensively test it."

the cylinder is either adequately full or it's not. It is really straight forward.

Dont be rude? Geez.

 

[Greenberg]

Sorry, just saw your comment now.

Firstly, here's the mask:



And here's the other end connected to the MDB regulator (It can be pushed on further but I needed it back off)



Also, here's a picture of the tubing that came with the regulator (green tube) beside the masks tubing:


If you want any other photos let me know

It looks like you are all set. Cheers!

 

[Stepheng7287]

It looks like you are all set. Cheers!

Nope :( Not even close.
I ended up ordering an escmode regulator because I only realised after buying the Max Dog that it can't exceed 2600psi, whereas all the Nitrogen cylinders in my country are 2900psi. (We may have discussed this in chat I'm not sure)
But also now I'm afraid to use the non-rebreather after reading this:


Took this person almost an hour of thrashing around like a demon before they passed. This was overseen by Dignitas too and they specialise in killing people...

 

[Aap]

Well a few points about this account. First, it's not possible to live without oxygen for this long, so the only way this could be possible would be either oxygen in the gas or oxygen being breathed in the system. This may have been a helium air mixture, which is why balloon time tanks are no longer used. Oxygen may have been introduced to the system by the mask being used.

I'm not a huge fan of using a medical oxygen mask and would do this method only with a bag or scuba regulator. @Greenberg may know the specific details of this case. I've never heard of it, but, assuming it is true, there are only a very few possible explanations regarding why it did not go as planned.

 

[Stepheng7287]

Well a few points about this account. First, it's not possible to live without oxygen for this long, so the only way this could be possible would be either oxygen in the gas or oxygen being breathed in the system. This may have been a helium air mixture, which is why balloon time tanks are no longer used. Oxygen may have been introduced to the system by the mask being used.

I'm not a huge fan of using a medical oxygen mask and would do this method only with a bag or scuba regulator. @Greenberg may know the specific details of this case. I've never heard of it, but, assuming it is true, there are only a very few possible explanations regarding why it did not go as planned.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was due to the non-rebreather not fitting properly. Mine fits perfect but I don't know what I'm going to be doing when I'm out cold. If I'm anything like that person I'll end up pulling it off my face accidentally. Plus, on Greenberg's blog there's a table explaining what happens when your O² drops to certain percentages and around 8-10% it says you become nauseated and vomit. If you vomit inside a bag I'm sure it can escape out the bottom but if you're using a mask it could either dislodge the mask or get stuck in the reservoir and exit holes and mess everything up. I'm not so confident in the NRB anymore to be honest...

 

[Kruger]

Personally I would go for the 10 litre nitrogen - do they state the purity somewhere?

In all seriousness, that's the scariest thing I can imagine. Still being stuck in this shitty life but it being even shittier and not having the option to CTB anymore.

I agree 100% - it's the only f*cking reason I've not done anything rash
I really appreciate you

Sorry, just saw your comment now.

Firstly, here's the mask:



And here's the other end connected to the MDB regulator (It can be pushed on further but I needed it back off)



Also, here's a picture of the tubing that came with the regulator (green tube) beside the masks tubing:


If you want any other photos let me know

I really appreciate you posting these. Can I ask about the mask - how exactly does it work? Does it expel what you exhale only and you then only inhale N2?

Nope :( Not even close.
I ended up ordering an escmode regulator because I only realised after buying the Max Dog that it can't exceed 2600psi, whereas all the Nitrogen cylinders in my country are 2900psi. (We may have discussed this in chat I'm not sure)
But also now I'm afraid to use the non-rebreather after reading this:


Took this person almost an hour of thrashing around like a demon before they passed. This was overseen by Dignitas too and they specialise in killing people...

i am suspicious of the claim dignitas was involved; as far as I know they do death by nembutal only.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was due to the non-rebreather not fitting properly. Mine fits perfect but I don't know what I'm going to be doing when I'm out cold. If I'm anything like that person I'll end up pulling it off my face accidentally. Plus, on Greenberg's blog there's a table explaining what happens when your O² drops to certain percentages and around 8-10% it says you become nauseated and vomit. If you vomit inside a bag I'm sure it can escape out the bottom but if you're using a mask it could either dislodge the mask or get stuck in the reservoir and exit holes and mess everything up. I'm not so confident in the NRB anymore to be honest...

And you could choke on your vomit if you have any kind of mask on your face

 

[Greenberg]

Well a few points about this account. First, it's not possible to live without oxygen for this long, so the only way this could be possible would be either oxygen in the gas or oxygen being breathed in the system. This may have been a helium air mixture, which is why balloon time tanks are no longer used. Oxygen may have been introduced to the system by the mask being used.

I'm not a huge fan of using a medical oxygen mask and would do this method only with a bag or scuba regulator. @Greenberg may know the specific details of this case. I've never heard of it, but, assuming it is true, there are only a very few possible explanations regarding why it did not go as planned.

I am surprised by the continued thrashing and the length of time until the "cessation of life." Their whole procedure appears faulty. it is physically impossible to be still moving for such a prolonged period of time. I agree with @Aap that there may be oxygen leakage (into the mask) at play.

 

[Stepheng7287]

I am surprised by the continued thrashing and the length of time until the "cessation of life." Their whole procedure appears faulty. it is physically impossible to be still moving for such a prolonged period of time. I agree with @Aap that there may be oxygen leakage (into the mask) at play.

What do you think about the whole vomiting scenario? Does it worry you? If you vomit inside a non-rebreather you're f****d honestly. I really really don't want to use a bag though.

 

[Greenberg]

I am not convinced of the vomiting scenario. I and others have trialed nitrogen with no such side effect.

Nitrogen anoxia is quick and sudden to human metabolism. There is simply no time for the body to react. Just make sure that the mask is secure and snug to your face (as you have shown in your photo) and you will be fine.

The next level up from an NRB would be something comparable to the scuba/mask demand valve system. For that, you are looking at a substantially higher level of investment. Mind you, money has no valve upon one's passing. LOL

 

[Stepheng7287]

Personally I would go for the 10 litre nitrogen - do they state the purity somewhere?

I agree 100% - it's the only f*cking reason I've not done anything rash
I really appreciate you
I really appreciate you posting these. Can I ask about the mask - how exactly does it work? Does it expel what you exhale only and you then only inhale N2?

i am suspicious of the claim dignitas was involved; as far as I know they do death by nembutal only.

And you could choke on your vomit if you have any kind of mask on your face

All the cylinders I'm looking at are 99.9% Nitrogen gas.

And here's a diagram of the non-rebreather mask from Greenberg's blog:

The Authoritative Exit Bag Opus

nitrogenexit.blogspot.com

Here's more info on the Dignitas oxygen deprivation experiments: https://www.researchgate.net/public...h_helium_at_a_Swiss_right-to-die_organisation

I am not convinced of the vomiting scenario. I and others have trialed nitrogen with no such side effect.

Nitrogen anoxia is quick and sudden to human metabolism. There is simply no time for the body to react. Just make sure that the mask is secure and snug to your face (as you have shown in your photo) and you will be fine.

The next level up from an NRB would be something comparable to the scuba/mask demand valve system. For that, you are looking at a substantially higher level of investment. Mind you, money has no valve upon one's passing. LOL

The people that have trialed the nitrogen method only trialed until they were unconscious. It says on your blog that the vomiting comes right before death at 8-10% O².

How much are we talking for a scuba set up? I kind of want to leave some money behind for a funeral and whatnot.

 

[Matthias_k]

But also now I'm afraid to use the non-rebreather after reading this:

Took this person almost an hour of thrashing around like a demon before they passed. This was overseen by Dignitas too and they specialise in killing people...

I remember that story. They did these experiments in order to try to find a possible alternative to Pentobarbital and so "demedicalise" assisted suicide. It seems that leaks were the reason for the poor results.

https://jme.bmj.com/content/medethics/36/3/174.full.pdf

 

[Greenberg]

I remember that story. They did these experiments in order to try to find a possible alternative to Pentobarbital and so "demedicalise" assisted suicide. It seems that leaks were the reason for the poor results.

https://jme.bmj.com/content/medethics/36/3/174.full.pdf

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They may have avoided the whole problem if higher flowrates were employed.

 

[Stepheng7287]

They may have avoided the whole problem if higher flowrates were employed.

What would be a high enough flowrate for an ill fitting mask? 20? 25lpm?