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noname223

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I have the feeling Luigi Mangione, suspect of the assassination of Brian Thompson isn't extremely controversial.
The assassination of Charlie Kirk was more controversial and polarizing.

I think Noam Chomsky once said he is against politicial violence because it reinforces polarization. And eventually the right profits from polarization.

Today, I read an article in a right-wing outlet. Leftwing extremism was downplayed by the media and elites in Germany. I had a debate with friends about that. A leftwing group you can either call them state terrorists or activists did the following.

German leftwing militants protesting over the climate crisis and AI have claimed responsibility for an arson attack that cut power to tens of thousands of households in Berlin.

The fire that broke out on a bridge across the Teltow canal in the south-west of the capital early on Saturday could deprive up to 35,000 homes and 1,900 businesses of electricity – and in many cases heat – until 8 January, the grid company Stromnetz Berlin said.

There are theories they were supported by Russia for this operation.

I think in functioning liberal democracies violence should not be an appropriate action. Under certain circumstances I would find it appropriate though.

I can tell you an anecdote. My favorite leftwing journal compared the assassination attempt on Trump with assassination attempts of Hitler. For them it seemed tragic that the shooter contributed to the myth building around Trump. And making this comparison in some way legitimizes the violence against Trump. But I think if this paper was published in the US in 2026 the writer might end up on a list of the FBI.

The answers probably vary a lot when violence should be seen as justifiable. But also think it is important to consider strategy and the impact on public opinion. Extinction Rebellion had some protests that totally backfired and many people turned to reactionaries. I think some protests were counterproductive for reaching their goals. I never fully understood the idealism of the youth. I am too much of a pessimist for that. But maybe the lack of a persuading narrative of a global utopia is hurting leftwingers. Most indicators seem to suggest a dystopia though. Idk. I would not want to die for the society I live in. I like the values but I would not physically fight for it. Maybe that's another issue...
 
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U. A.

"Ultra Based" gigashad
Aug 8, 2022
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Hah, I figured you'd have gotten a sense of common opinion after all of...this.
 
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Hvergelmir

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May 5, 2024
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I'm not quite sure what "political violence" even is. To me it's pretty much synonymous to terrorism.
I don't think it's right to attack non-combatants.

I'm pretty much siding with the Geneva convention. If people wear uniform so that they can be identified, and respects the laws of war, I think violence can hypothetically be justified.
Armed groups, including but not limited to military and police, and their assets and infrastructure could be seen as legitimate targets, if there's strategic advantage in attacking them. Other than that, I'd have a very hard time to see political violence as anything but glorified terrorism.
 
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Dejected 55

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From the way you phrase the question and examples given... I have to say it is never justified.

No matter how much anyone might have hated Charlie Kirk for things he said and believed... you debate that guy directly OR you use your own platform to convince people your views are better. When you kill someone over their political views you are saying that you can't compete with them intellectually.

"Use your words" is a phrase said to almost every kid growing up who ever has the instinct to punch someone instead of talking to them.

War is hell. Sometimes, unfortunately, fighting and killing ends up being the necessary last resort. But when you just jump straight to it... "I don't like what he stands for so Imma kill him" you prove you are no better than the person you claim is the evil one. This really shouldn't be that hard for decent people to grasp.
 
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Unsure and Useless

Dreaming Endlessly, not Wanting to Wake Up
Feb 7, 2023
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It's never justified, end of story. However, it's not because of some fragile reasoning like "we all deserve to live so that we can change later!"

If one person is killed for their beliefs, then anyone can be killed for their beliefs. Guess which people are going to suffer the most from this?

The marginalized whose very existence is seen as a "belief" by right-wing extremists

Charlie Kirk's death was just a way for the right to make their own feel justified in returning to Nazi KKK ideologies while the left celebrate winning a battle in a war we are rapidly losing
 
InevitableDeath

InevitableDeath

Already Dead
Jan 4, 2026
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In self defence. In fact to not use violence in self defence when being violently attacked is insane. Violently attacked includes genocide, enforced starvation, enforced homelessness etc

You'd think that would be obvious. But people have been propagandised into pointless pacifist protest for decades.

If more people had enough self respect to fight bullies on their own terms, there would be far less people catching the bus.
 
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Pluto

Cat Extremist
Dec 27, 2020
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Winterreise

Experienced
Jun 27, 2022
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Yes, and Churchill was a warmonger.
World War started when that mother fucker decided to bomb Berlin at night, no wonder Hitler was furious
 
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noname223

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Aug 18, 2020
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Yes, and Churchill was a warmonger.
World War started when that mother fucker decided to bomb Berlin at night, no wonder Hitler was furious
I would like to react with a question mark to this post. Churchill bombed Berlin at night and started the world war? What are you refering to?
 
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Hvergelmir

Warlock
May 5, 2024
772
1939-09-01: Germany invaded Poland. This generally marks the start of WW2.
1939-09-03: Britain declares war on Germany.

1940-08-24: The Luftwaffe launched a night time raid, bombing primarily strategic targets in London, but also (presumably unintentionally) hit some residential areas.
1940-08-25: Britain launched a retaliatory strike, with the main objective to prove capability. While official targets where strategic, it caused widespread collateral damage.

1940-09-04: Hitler declared the intent to level British cities to the ground, in retaliation.
1940-09-07: The Luftwaffe started to bomb the shit out of London for 57 nights in a row.

Do we agree on the timeline here?
 
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Winterreise

Experienced
Jun 27, 2022
298
No , we dont agree on the timeline.
World war 2 started in 1940-08-25 , when Charlie Kirk got assasinated by Churchill.
Churchill the angry liberal left
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
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My head says that political violence can't be justified. Not if we want to pretend we live in a civilised society. But then- do we live in a civilised society? I suspect we live in a very corrupt society. Presumably, people turn to violence when they feel like negotiating is going nowhere. I imagine it is in response quite literally to uneven power distribution. Which isn't right. Violence maybe isn't the answer but- how else can they be heard if their voices aren't enough?

The bigger problem is- Who is in the right? Are they able to get a fair hearing by those who hold the power? Do they have any influence?

We're animals at the end of the day. A lot of animals will try to avoid conflict if they can- because it puts them at risk of injury. I imagine people who resort to extreme acts feel desperate. Why are they feeling so desperate? Probably because they feel unheard and powerless. Should anyone feel utterly powerless and without a voice in a (so called) democracy? No- surely? It's obviously not a democracy if they are being utterly ignored and trampled over!

So- it's like vigiantilism in a way- my head says no- it probably won't help. The law doesn't work if selected people can break it. My heart kind of sympathises though- because the law and our governments are both fallible and outright corrupt. We should fight against corruption- surely? If words get ignored- then what?
 
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