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noname223

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Aug 18, 2020
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I have the feeling Luigi Mangione, suspect of the assassination of Brian Thompson isn't extremely controversial.
The assassination of Charlie Kirk was more controversial and polarizing.

I think Noam Chomsky once said he is against politicial violence because it reinforces polarization. And eventually the right profits from polarization.

Today, I read an article in a right-wing outlet. Leftwing extremism was downplayed by the media and elites in Germany. I had a debate with friends about that. A leftwing group you can either call them state terrorists or activists did the following.

German leftwing militants protesting over the climate crisis and AI have claimed responsibility for an arson attack that cut power to tens of thousands of households in Berlin.

The fire that broke out on a bridge across the Teltow canal in the south-west of the capital early on Saturday could deprive up to 35,000 homes and 1,900 businesses of electricity – and in many cases heat – until 8 January, the grid company Stromnetz Berlin said.

There are theories they were supported by Russia for this operation.

I think in functioning liberal democracies violence should not be an appropriate action. Under certain circumstances I would find it appropriate though.

I can tell you an anecdote. My favorite leftwing journal compared the assassination attempt on Trump with assassination attempts of Hitler. For them it seemed tragic that the shooter contributed to the myth building around Trump. And making this comparison in some way legitimizes the violence against Trump. But I think if this paper was published in the US in 2026 the writer might end up on a list of the FBI.

The answers probably vary a lot when violence should be seen as justifiable. But also think it is important to consider strategy and the impact on public opinion. Extinction Rebellion had some protests that totally backfired and many people turned to reactionaries. I think some protests were counterproductive for reaching their goals. I never fully understood the idealism of the youth. I am too much of a pessimist for that. But maybe the lack of a persuading narrative of a global utopia is hurting leftwingers. Most indicators seem to suggest a dystopia though. Idk. I would not want to die for the society I live in. I like the values but I would not physically fight for it. Maybe that's another issue...
 
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U. A.

"Ultra Based Gigachad"
Aug 8, 2022
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Hah, I figured you'd have gotten a sense of common opinion after all of...this.
 
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Hvergelmir

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I'm not quite sure what "political violence" even is. To me it's pretty much synonymous to terrorism.
I don't think it's right to attack non-combatants.

I'm pretty much siding with the Geneva convention. If people wear uniform so that they can be identified, and respects the laws of war, I think violence can hypothetically be justified.
Armed groups, including but not limited to military and police, and their assets and infrastructure could be seen as legitimate targets, if there's strategic advantage in attacking them. Other than that, I'd have a very hard time to see political violence as anything but glorified terrorism.
 
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Dejected 55

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From the way you phrase the question and examples given... I have to say it is never justified.

No matter how much anyone might have hated Charlie Kirk for things he said and believed... you debate that guy directly OR you use your own platform to convince people your views are better. When you kill someone over their political views you are saying that you can't compete with them intellectually.

"Use your words" is a phrase said to almost every kid growing up who ever has the instinct to punch someone instead of talking to them.

War is hell. Sometimes, unfortunately, fighting and killing ends up being the necessary last resort. But when you just jump straight to it... "I don't like what he stands for so Imma kill him" you prove you are no better than the person you claim is the evil one. This really shouldn't be that hard for decent people to grasp.
 
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Unsure and Useless

Dreaming Endlessly, not Wanting to Wake Up
Feb 7, 2023
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It's never justified, end of story. However, it's not because of some fragile reasoning like "we all deserve to live so that we can change later!"

If one person is killed for their beliefs, then anyone can be killed for their beliefs. Guess which people are going to suffer the most from this?

The marginalized whose very existence is seen as a "belief" by right-wing extremists

Charlie Kirk's death was just a way for the right to make their own feel justified in returning to Nazi KKK ideologies while the left celebrate winning a battle in a war we are rapidly losing