When do you think euthanasia will be available over a certain age? The state of the right to die movement in the world

[Amumu]

In some countries (Spain, Canada) you can be euthanised because of severe physical illness in 2020.
The rate of approval is very low though, around 5% I guess
In some countries (Belgium, Netherlands) you can be euthanised for severe "mental illnesses" in 2020
The rate of approval is very low though, let's say 1%

So I've got a few questions ;
Don't forget that suicide itself is forbidden in about 100 countries in the world.

I think there are a few paths of improvement :

In the countries where euthanasia is legalised for severe physical illness, maybe it will be accepted for "mental illnesses" in 2030.
With a rate of approval which is very low, let's say 1% like in Belgium.

In the countries where euthanasia is legalised for severe "mental illnesses", the only way of improvement is to increase the rate of approval to 1% to 100%.

Maybe it will happen in 2040. And by the time every country in the world follows Belgium, it will be something like 2060 or 2070.

We'll be in Futurama with a death cabine or something like that. With a machine proposing N.

One last thing : the age : let's remember that in the Netherlands, there is a project of enabling euthanasia for people over 75 just because they want it
(SO IT IS THE TRUE DEFINITION OF PRO CHOICE)

The last thing we have to do in every country in the world is to lower the age of requirement progressively to 75 to 50, and then 50 to 25.
Let's be realistic, it will never happen for the 18-25, I'm sorry for your suffering but it isn't feasible politically

 

[WornOutLife]

2040, as you said, makes some sense.
I think I'll get the hell outta this world way earlier but who knows? I might die in my 50s in a peaceful way if this goddamn society finally EVOLVES and understands people like us!

 

[Beachedwhale]

When millenials start retiring without pensions, public services and property

 

[Celerity]

Hard to say. It's easy to say that societies progressively become more liberal, but countries like Iran or Russia and, in more recent years, the US, should show that's not always true. Progress is not inevitable.

For young people, I agree with you and doubt suicide will ever become accepted. Besides all the feel feels the pro-lifers like to push, young people are also a necessity economically. We need workers and babies to keep the machine going.

 

[popuoh]

Let's be realistic, it will never happen for the 18-25, I'm sorry for your suffering but it isn't feasible politically

Sad but that's the truth, guess we youngster just gotta stick to unsafe & violent methods ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Rayzieka]

I think we'll all be long gone by the time we're allowed to ctb peacefully.
Or maybe we won't even get there while this world still has human life on it.
Because there's always going to be powerful people out there looking to keep us around for money.

 

[Amumu]

Hard to say. It's easy to say that societies progressively become more liberal, but countries like Iran or Russia and, in more recent years, the US, should show that's not always true. Progress is not inevitable.

For young people, I agree with you and doubt suicide will ever become accepted. Besides all the feel feels the pro-lifers like to push, young people are also a necessity economically. We need workers and babies to keep the machine going.

Well the first baby is usually made at 30 in Western countries so it shouldn't be a major concern

Without mentioning the high rate of unemployment among young people which doesn't make the machine going, on the contrary

The reason is much simpler : our biological instinct, i.e. we should reproduce to keep the species alive.

 

[Celerity]

Well the first baby is usually made at 30 in Western countries so it shouldn't be a major concern

Without mentioning the high rate of unemployment among young people which doesn't make the machine going, on the contrary

The reason is much simpler : our biological instinct, i.e. we should reproduce to keep the species alive.

Yeah, but it's pathological that the age is that high. Not a goal state. Just look at Japan.

We also do all the shot jobs no one likes and take the greatest burden of training.

 

[Amumu]

Yeah, but it's pathological that the age is that high. Not a goal state. Just look at Japan.

Well having babies later diminishes the fertility later a lot (the fertility rate in Japan is around 1)
So if you're an antinatalist it should be good news for you.

I wonder when this forum reaches 100,000 members... maybe we'll have more political power, even if it's cynical in a way.
I'm really sorry about that.
The right to die movement could become a real political movement which could be taken seriously.
Because if we're only 20,000 nobody will listen to us.

 

[Efilismislife]

Age doesnt define life quality or life suffering intensity. People should allow to exit less painfully when their life is unbearable

I dont know whats their real issue about suicide, is it because of tax?(more people more tax)workers, human shield, sacrifices, whatever. All for selfish reasons?

Whats the big damage suicide can bring to earth? Instead of them allowing toxic fumes and many toxic environment that leading to suicide. That's more damaging

Its just ridiculous to me.

Letting people to breed mindlessly is much more problematic.
Thats the core of the issue. People just breed mindlessly and dont practice proper parenting, dont provide supportive environment, dont check about faulty genetic, inherited disease, etc, etc
they should take care of that first

 

[Pen>Sword]

I don't think legal and easily accessible, pro-choice suicide services will manifest in our lifetime, no matter how progressive a nation gets. The only way that could happen is if a bunch of suicidal people formed a political party in a proportional representation election system, and 2/3 of the nation's population are chronically suicidal and irreligious. Even then, the chances of that happening are razor thin.

It's impossible today, or even following decades, maybe even a century, because the Western countries are suffering low birth rates, and religious beliefs are still common. Those who died by suicide don't vote because they're dead. There's a lot of misinformation regarding pro-choice suicide ideas. Not to mention being sent to PSYCH ward, maybe even to jail, if you publicly espouse these views.

 

[arie]

In the Netherlands, people above the age of 12 can apply for euthanasia. I think between the age 12 and 16, the parents need to consent. Between 16 and 18, the doctor needs to talk it through with their parents but the parents don't have any definitive say and above 18, you can ask for euthanasia by yourself. in 2019, the rate of approval was 14.1%. A lot of those were related to cancer, dementia and age-related disorders. In only 62 of the 898 total approved cases were mental illnesses the main reason, almost 7%. The rate of approval is going up every year, so I guess that's a positive thing.

 

[Efilismislife]

In the Netherlands, people above the age of 12 can apply for euthanasia. I think between the age 12 and 16, the parents need to consent. Between 16 and 18, the doctor needs to talk it through with their parents but the parents don't have any definitive say and above 18, you can ask for euthanasia by yourself. in 2019, the rate of approval was 14.1%. A lot of those were related to cancer, dementia and age-related disorders. In only 62 of the 898 total approved cases were mental illnesses the main reason, almost 7%. The rate of approval is going up every year, so I guess that's a positive thing.

Really? Wow i didnt know about that. What a modern open minded way of nation, it mostly depend on the government i guess

Hopefully they could set an example for other country

 

[FuneralCry]

It won't be legalised in the UK in my lifetime I don't think. All the petitions to do so have just been focusing on terminal illness as well and there is no chance of that being legalised. A terminally ill man lost a court case challenging the right to die. I believe a right to die should be a basic human right. There really is a huge difference between my country and the Netherlands in terms of attitudes.

 

[Symbiote]

When the state of the world with it's lack of basic necessities start turning to population control to save whatever precious resources are left to the rich and those who are worthy. When it makes sense to suicide for altruistic purposes. Or, it becomes like the movie 'The Island'.

 

[noname223]

In some countries (Spain, Canada) you can be euthanised because of severe physical illness in 2020.
The rate of approval is very low though, around 5% I guess
In some countries (Belgium, Netherlands) you can be euthanised for severe "mental illnesses" in 2020
The rate of approval is very low though, let's say 1%

So I've got a few questions ;
Don't forget that suicide itself is forbidden in about 100 countries in the world.

I think there are a few paths of improvement :

In the countries where euthanasia is legalised for severe physical illness, maybe it will be accepted for "mental illnesses" in 2030.
With a rate of approval which is very low, let's say 1% like in Belgium.

In the countries where euthanasia is legalised for severe "mental illnesses", the only way of improvement is to increase the rate of approval to 1% to 100%.

Maybe it will happen in 2040. And by the time every country in the world follows Belgium, it will be something like 2060 or 2070.

We'll be in Futurama with a death cabine or something like that. With a machine proposing N.

One last thing : the age : let's remember that in the Netherlands, there is a project of enabling euthanasia for people over 75 just because they want it
(SO IT IS THE TRUE DEFINITION OF PRO CHOICE)

The last thing we have to do in every country in the world is to lower the age of requirement progressively to 75 to 50, and then 50 to 25.
Let's be realistic, it will never happen for the 18-25, I'm sorry for your suffering but it isn't feasible politicallIy

I've watched a documentary where a young woman (roundabout age 25????) was allowed for assisted suicide due to many mental disorders in Belgium. So I think the age won't be the problem. I think it would not be a smart move to allow it for a certain age group rather for certain illnesses. The real fight will the legalization for people with mental disorders. In Germany the highest court alllowed assisted suicide for almost everyone. But the conservatives still block the law.
For me personally I rather have given up on that option. I am afraid it will cost a lot of money and really hard to be achieved with a mental disorder. Still I am hoping for it but it is uite unlikely.

 

[eternalmelancholy]

The only way society will allow easy access to euthanasia is when mass human labor will no longer be needed. Maybe it will be sooner than we think with the coming fourth industrial revolution and the advent of AI and automation.

 

[TooConscious]

Never...
We live in an evil hellhole where people will tell you to kill yourself but then call you a coward for doing so. Humans trample each other but our stuff ring is an energy source for those who don't empathise so they will keep us around.

 

[Amumu]

I've watched a documentary where a young woman (roundabout age 25????) was allowed for assisted suicide due to many mental disorders in Belgium. So I think the age won't be the problem. I think it would not be a smart move to allow it for a certain age group rather for certain illnesses. The real fight will the legalization for people with mental disorders. In Germany the highest court alllowed assisted suicide for almost everyone. But the conservatives still block the law.
For me personally I rather have given up on that option. I am afraid it will cost a lot of money and really hard to be achieved with a mental disorder. Still I am hoping for it but it is uite unlikely.

Yes she was 29 if I remember correctly

 

[RedHarlequin]

I think one day it will happen and people will be able to make their own decisions. We need people that speak up like Adam-Maier Clayton in Canada or Brittany Maynard in the USA. Just these two people have made a huge change. in USA more states having euthanasia as an option and in Canada passing a bill that allows mentally ill patients to be considered for euthanasia.
I however won't be around for that long I'm afraid. I have spoken up to my family and they fully accept my suicide, I wish I could do more but I just don't have the energy and the intelligence for it.

 

[endthispain]

I think one day it will happen and people will be able to make their own decisions. We need people that speak up like Adam-Maier Clayton in Canada or Brittany Maynard in the USA. Just these two people have made a huge change. in USA more states having euthanasia as an option and in Canada passing a bill that allows mentally ill patients to be considered for euthanasia.
I however won't be around for that long I'm afraid. I have spoken up to my family and they fully accept my suicide, I wish I could do more but I just don't have the energy and the intelligence for it.

I don't have the energy to fight for myself either. Adam Clayton did and got what he needed for peaceful death. My family doesn't understand and doctor doesn't either. In 2023 mentally ill will have access in Canada. But I'm sure it's going to be hard to obtain. Severe depression is just as painful as other illnesses that qualify but people don't understand. Unless you e experienced the pain from depression it's unbelievable for people to get.

 

[MaskedMan12345]

2040, as you said, makes some sense.
I think I'll get the hell outta this world way earlier but who knows? I might die in my 50s in a peaceful way if this goddamn society finally EVOLVES and understands people like us!

To be denied the means by which one can, with dignity, grace, and under one's own agency, choose to get off this psychotic merry-go-round, is a sadistic torment cloaked in the guise of compassion and the presumption that others truly know what is best for one, namely continuing this whole breathing in and out thing.

My mom had vascular dementia at the end and she was not herself by any means. She always said not to allow her to be that way if it ever were to occur. I took care of her for years, and she was the best friend I have or will ever have. My atheist self desperately wishes for the improbable and highly unlikely existence of an afterlife so we can hang out and listen to jazz, talk about life and the such.

She was in hospice at our home and I could not get merciful "exit drugs". The most I cd get was morphine, but it was oral and she'd throw it up.

It is simply unconscionable that even a person in dire distress and suffering could not gain access to a peaceful drug, as she so wished (we live in California, where one could conceivably just die from smog, earthquake, fire, or homicide). But a "peaceful pill", imo, should be freely available to all who wish it, whether due to infirmmity, or even due to "weariness of life". Good luck though. At least the pro-lifers can't stop the great Black Hole from swallowing everything up like a fat man at the Sizzler.

The religionist demagogues and pro-life sickos are really screwing things up for the rest of us.