Venting When do my rights/opinions stop and where do your rights/opinions really begin? TW:selfharm

[WhatCouldHaveBeen32]

So, it's probably one of the last times I go on twitter, I hopped through a profile because the person made a funny comment and saw that he does not retweet funny memes or funny comments but only fans and had retweeted a girl with ONLY her thighs covered in scars and the title was something yada yada only fans, and I just closed the tab to be honest with you, yeah , sure, do only fans, I'm okay with that , money = food and bills, I 100% agree, but why the fetishization of self harm? really? are we really stooping that low?

Just saying that IMO you shouldn't do that or at least keep it to some private thing maybe? I don't have a problem with self harm scars , NONE AT ALL!!!! I have some of my own, I also have normal non inflicted scars too but that is not the subject of today, but don't put it THAT way. Like you are POS if you get off from self harm scars, you are most likely looking for a vulnerable person to abuse and the person you are looking for is harming even further by going into these types of parasocial like online relationship + objectifying content. And if you have scars and knowingly engage in these actions, I can't really say I'd support you as a person. Yeah this seems really trashy to say but I don't know.

I titled the post like this because I'm not sure, maybe I'm wrong and everyone can do whatever they want but in this case I don't think it's right to do something like this. But oh well, I heard some people defend the down syndrome deep fake thing too so I wouldn't be surprised if 80% of the population thinks it's okay and it's actually empowering and not objectifying in any way shape or form. I just hate people who flock to people that suffer to leech from them and I hate that people that suffer can just have the idea "turn my mental illness into money" , I don't know, I do empathize, I'm here suffering too but at that point should I really empathize? I don't think it's the right thing to do and I wouldn't do it.

 

[theboy]

I also don't think there is a "valid" reason to empathize with those who enjoy this. There are people who pay a lot of money to see videos or photos of this style

 

[Kalista]

I don't think it's the right thing to do and I wouldn't do it.

whether it's the right or wrong thing to do is just an opinion based on what you believe. monetizing things that are unconventional can be disturbing because it triggers discomfort based on personal or social standards. but that discomfort doesn't automatically make the act immoral. the girl who is monetizing her self-harm scars is making a choice based on what the market demands. many people fetishize countless things, some more socially acceptable than others, but all of it functions on the same principle -- supply and demand. she is simply leveraging what some are willing to pay for. whether one personally agrees or not, the fact remains that consenting adults are engaging in a voluntary transaction.

you mentioned that people who get off to this are looking for vulnerable people to abuse. that's a blanket generalization. most people consuming this type of content are not directly harming her -- they are paying for a product she willingly offers. if there's any exploitation, it comes from how the system makes people feel like they have to sell their struggles to survive, not from the act itself. finding a traditional job may be difficult or not possible for them which might be the driving force for this act, and that is understandable. but calling it always wrong ignores that she's making her own choice. if she knows what she's doing and chooses to sell it, that's still her decision.

people monetize their traumas all the time -- memoirs, documentaries, speaking tours, even therapy work. drawing the line at self-harm imagery simply reflects personal disgust, not any clear wrongdoing.

 

[brokenspirited]

I also don't think there is a "valid" reason to empathize with those who enjoy this. There are people who pay a lot of money to see videos or photos of this style

Frankly, I agree that getting off of this is disgusting. However, my rights end where the freedoms of others begin. Although it makes me very uncomfortable, and the only right I have is to look away and avoid seeing it.

I will always support freedom of speech even if I don't agree with what you have to say.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

How do you know that this is a case of SH fetishization? You don't mention there being anything that specifically alludes to that, and a lot of men are going to signup whether or not the person has OF scars because they are horny and probably find her hot, so what are you going on about? A lot of sex-workers, including OF models, have SH scars. Most men who consume that content don't really care and just ignore them.

 

[Dejected 55]

It's nuanced and complex.

Regarding the deep fake down syndrome stuff... I never saw any of it except some stills in conversations about people reporting those accounts. From my perspective, I think it is an offensive thing. Why? Because of the deep fake. That's it. Regardless of how you feel otherwise about onlyfans or people with down syndrome, these were people masquerading as down syndrome via deep fakes. That's an easy line in the sand for me to draw and say it is sick and twisted and should have been banned. Easy.

But... for nuance sake... what if there was an adult young woman in her twenties who has down syndrome and she wanted to have her own onlyfans? That's a grey area. You have all the normal moral implications and the "is she doing it with a stable mind thinking of all the implications she might feel or regret later?" that you'd apply to any woman doing onlyfans... but you might ask yourself is someone with down syndrome being specifically manipulated or tricked in some way? That's tough.

I have known a few people in my life with down syndrome. Never knew any girls though. The boys I knew maintained a bit of a childlike personality into adulthood. And while I interacted with them as I would an adult, I was often aware that they were still thinking more childlike than I at that same age. So I did feel a little protective when around them. But that is very limited experience. I have seen adults with down syndrome on TV who seem fully capable of having a solo adult life, many with families of their own, and sure they are a little different but there is a wide range of adult behavior and responsibility that nobody gives a second thought about with other people.

My point is... what if an adult woman felt attractive and wanted to do an onlyfans and what if adults payed to see her? I wouldn't, but then I don't pay for onlyfans at all. But, it's hard to have an outlook where I think adults with down syndrome deserve to be happy adults living their lives the same as anyone BUT then treat them like a child when it's convenient.

So, if there were down syndrome women on onlyfans, I'd just steer clear of that discussion as none of my business unless someone could prove they were being taken advantage of... but the pretend deep fake ones? That's an easy get that the hell out of here!

For other kinks... including self harm. Some people self-harm for fun. I mean I have to think it is rare... but it's not always because of depression... I'm not into it, but again if it is an adult it's hard to say one way or the other to me.

(edit). Oh, yeah... and what if it's a person who has self-harmed for depression... but is doing onlyfans to try and improve body image by interacting with people who find her attractive despite the scars. It could be arguable in some cases it could be a positive for someone scared and ashamed of their past to learn that it doesn't have to define them.

 

[WhatCouldHaveBeen32]

How do you know that this is a case of SH fetishization? You don't mention there being anything that specifically alludes to that, and a lot of men are going to signup whether or not the person has OF scars because they are horny and probably find her hot, so what are you going on about? A lot of sex-workers, including OF models, have SH scars. Most men who consume that content don't really care and just ignore them.

I'm pretty sure at the time the girl advertized the SH as a selling point and some people were thirsting specifically over that. Anyways, I made this thread in june , I clear my history and cookies and cache weekly, I don't have any way to go back to that post again even if I wanted to. They can do whatever they want even if I don't like it , I understand that, I can still be disturbed by the people who consume the content because of the self harm (not the creator for making it.)

It's nuanced and complex.

Regarding the deep fake down syndrome stuff... I never saw any of it except some stills in conversations about people reporting those accounts. From my perspective, I think it is an offensive thing. Why? Because of the deep fake. That's it. Regardless of how you feel otherwise about onlyfans or people with down syndrome, these were people masquerading as down syndrome via deep fakes. That's an easy line in the sand for me to draw and say it is sick and twisted and should have been banned. Easy.

But... for nuance sake... what if there was an adult young woman in her twenties who has down syndrome and she wanted to have her own onlyfans? That's a grey area. You have all the normal moral implications and the "is she doing it with a stable mind thinking of all the implications she might feel or regret later?" that you'd apply to any woman doing onlyfans... but you might ask yourself is someone with down syndrome being specifically manipulated or tricked in some way? That's tough.

I have known a few people in my life with down syndrome. Never knew any girls though. The boys I knew maintained a bit of a childlike personality into adulthood. And while I interacted with them as I would an adult, I was often aware that they were still thinking more childlike than I at that same age. So I did feel a little protective when around them. But that is very limited experience. I have seen adults with down syndrome on TV who seem fully capable of having a solo adult life, many with families of their own, and sure they are a little different but there is a wide range of adult behavior and responsibility that nobody gives a second thought about with other people.

My point is... what if an adult woman felt attractive and wanted to do an onlyfans and what if adults payed to see her? I wouldn't, but then I don't pay for onlyfans at all. But, it's hard to have an outlook where I think adults with down syndrome deserve to be happy adults living their lives the same as anyone BUT then treat them like a child when it's convenient.

So, if there were down syndrome women on onlyfans, I'd just steer clear of that discussion as none of my business unless someone could prove they were being taken advantage of... but the pretend deep fake ones? That's an easy get that the hell out of here!

For other kinks... including self harm. Some people self-harm for fun. I mean I have to think it is rare... but it's not always because of depression... I'm not into it, but again if it is an adult it's hard to say one way or the other to me.

(edit). Oh, yeah... and what if it's a person who has self-harmed for depression... but is doing onlyfans to try and improve body image by interacting with people who find her attractive despite the scars. It could be arguable in some cases it could be a positive for someone scared and ashamed of their past to learn that it doesn't have to define them.

I don't have a problem with people doing only fans, I mostly have problems with the ones that consume it because of a specific thing, like down syndrome or self harm scars. I'm allowed to have that problem and these people can continue to consume it because it isn't regulated based on that anyways. If it's empowering to the person who makes the content, more power to them, I have no problem at all with that.

As I already replied to someone else, I can still be weary and judgemental towards the people who specifically consume this kind of content. People have judged me for less. And the pretend deep fake ones are pretty much a tell , yeah you can't prove people would look at self harm scars or down syndrome women or men because of that unless they either tell you or make deep fakes of these specific things.

Anyways I'm over this subject, I don't even know how people managed to find and necro this thread, I'm kinda bad at giving names to threads so it's like an umbrella title, so I guess it's my bad but idk how to name threads , I never liked giving titles to things even in school.

(And I just learned that if you quickly type out two comments towards 2 different people it edits them neatly in one comment, nice) Maybe it happened before but I didn't pay attention

 

[EvisceratedJester]

I'm pretty sure at the time the girl advertized the SH as a selling point and some people were thirsting specifically over that. Anyways, I made this thread in june , I clear my history and cookies and cache weekly, I don't have any way to go back to that post again even if I wanted to. They can do whatever they want even if I don't like it , I understand that, I can still be disturbed by the people who consume the content because of the self harm (not the creator for making it.)

"Pretty sure" isn't the same as being sure.

 

[Wolf Girl]

I have SH scars all over my thighs. I post sexy fishnet leg pictures with my scars visible and also sell content. The vast majority of men who are horny for me give zero fucks, it's like the scars are no different than stretch marks or freckles. All they care about is "T H I C C "

You are correct that there are men who fetishize it and those men are not safe people, but they are not the majority of people who jerk off to or fuck girls with scars. And what does it matter if she's getting paid to show off the scars? More power to her.

 

[WhatCouldHaveBeen32]

I have SH scars all over my thighs. I post sexy fishnet leg pictures with my scars visible and also sell content. The vast majority of men who are horny for me give zero fucks, it's like the scars are no different than stretch marks or freckles. All they care about is "T H I C C "

You are correct that there are men who fetishize it and those men are not safe people, but they are not the majority of people who jerk off to or fuck girls with scars. And what does it matter if she's getting paid to show off the scars? More power to her.

I mean yeah, this world already sucks dick , get the money and "cheat the system" without going to a shitty 9 to 5; there will be weirdos everywhere no matter what. No probs with that; suck their wallets dry.

insert that gangster spongebob gif

 

[Daphne]

people do it to release endorphins so they feel better. It's an addiction.

 

[Cauliflour]

Eh, I think self harm scars on the thighs are hot because I self harm so it's like applying a view or something (maybe it's a similar psychology to freckles where it draws your attention to a specific part of someone?). I wouldn't say all self harmers are "vulnerable" I feel like that's really overgeneralising something that's broad and complex. I wouldn't go actively looking for porn models with self harm scars though, that feels gross to me.

 

[Dejected 55]

people do it to release endorphins so they feel better. It's an addiction.

Be careful with absolutes and declaring things an "addiction." We are addicted to oxygen, water, and food too. And doctors often recommend exercise because it released endorphins and feels good... so exercise is also an addiction.

Not all addictions are bad.

Typically a better addiction definition includes how it affects other parts of your life. As in... does your addiction interfere with you doing things you need to do or other things you want to do. So, an addiction to porn that causes you to lose sleep and not do your job well or be estranged from friends you actually like or prevents you from being in a real relationship... that's when addiction is bad. But you could be addicted to porn, and have an otherwise healthy work/life balance and you just use porn as someone else might play video games or watch TV or read a book.