What’s your beliefs?

[Roseate]

Do any of you believe in anything? Doesn't matter what. And if so, what?

 

[chr74]

i was raised as catholic but then lost all belief in god as i got older so dont believe in anything now

 

[FuneralCry]

No, to me any religion is completely fictional, the way that I see it religion is used a way to brainwash other people. There is no meaning or purpose to life, we only exist as a tragic consequence of evolution where we are just destined to cease existing. I just think that religion was invented by people who were unable to accept the true meaningless nature of existence.

 

[Rational man]

There is no god in the way humankind invented but the cosmic god, the creator of nature, life and the elements is obviously true. Therein, whence we die, we will return to the soil and eventually our remains will become stardust after planet Earth explodes.

 

[WonderfulWeatherDIE]

religion is one big massive gay cope

 

[outrider567]

Do any of you believe in anything? Doesn't matter what. And if so, what?

No

 

[Yankey Doodle]

Do any of you believe in anything? Doesn't matter what. And if so, what?

Born a Catholic, grew to be an atheist. Honestly see religion as a social construct developed in order to give inexplainable things substance by a supposed intangible higher being. Therefore in my opinion, giving life meaning in that particular sense even if there is no meaning.

 

[watchdog]

This question is complicated.
I believe that bodies are useless and they are only here to validate our existence but I know this is just a lie I tell myself to build up enough courage to ctb. I tell myself this because I've become too attached to some things in my life and I wish to still be with them, even if I'm not in my physical form.

 

[Sluggish_Slump]

Never truly believed in anything, and I know this mindset has its flaws but no belief system or lack thereof is foolproof

 

[Challu]

My earthly beliefs: varied

(You: here we go )

Religious beliefs: I believe in Jesus Christ as God, who's role as the son of God was to come to earth to *judge sinners by giving us a new Covenant of love and grace and demonstrated this by giving his life to reedem mankind back to a state of relationship and fellowship with Him.

Anyone who believes on the name of Jesus, will be given immortality and will inherit the Kingdom of God as a son/daughter of God. Belief is measured through faith and a change of heart, as it regards your moral values and the life you live. I.e .. follow the 10 commandments.

Ctbing in my opinion transgresses the 10 commandments, so I am afraid to explain why I did it to God, but my salvation is not in jeopardy as Christ has already redeemed the world unto Himself. The purpose of believing in Christ while alive on Earth is purely to spread love and to teach people about what He did.

And I believe that everyone, from every culture, whether unbelieving or with different religious views, dead or alive, will be saved by God, so that everyone will inherit the Kingdom of God in the end. Because God will require that everyone know and recieve the truth. And death is not the final say in whether or not you can be saved, as death cannot separate mankind from the infinite love of God.

 

[6MillionWaystoDie]

Don't believe in anything other than being the best individual one can be. And try to be as openly accepting of others as is possible for you.

I do have a strong belief that one should "do no harm". If that is not possible in the specific situation then bow out. It may even call for an apology of sorts. But not some random fake, feel-good apology either. It must mean something to both you and the other person. If it doesn't mean anything to them you can walk away with a clear conscience knowing you did your best.

 

[Roseate]

i was raised as catholic but then lost all belief in god as i got older so dont believe in anything now

Not even ghost? What do you think happens after death? By belief, I'm not just talking about god or whatever…

This question is complicated.
I believe that bodies are useless and they are only here to validate our existence but I know this is just a lie I tell myself to build up enough courage to ctb. I tell myself this because I've become too attached to some things in my life and I wish to still be with them, even if I'm not in my physical form.

So you would say you believe that in some way or form, our souls exist after death? Is that what you're trying to say?

No, to me any religion is completely fictional, the way that I see it religion is used a way to brainwash other people. There is no meaning or purpose to life, we only exist as a tragic consequence of evolution where we are just destined to cease existing. I just think that religion was invented by people who were unable to accept the true meaningless nature of existence.

By belief, I didn't specifically mean religion. Like whatever you believe in, it could be outside of religion. It could be like as simple as believing in ghost, or Mother Nature or karma. Just things like that.

There is no god in the way humankind invented but the cosmic god, the creator of nature, life and the elements is obviously true. Therein, whence we die, we will return to the soil and eventually our remains will become stardust after planet Earth explodes.

Outside of religion, do you believe in anything? Something that maybe keep you grounded. I realize people tend to believe in some form of something to help keep them together.

religion is one big massive gay cope

I just mean outside of religion. I should've specified that. Also what is a massive gay cope?

No

then what keeps you grounded? What is keeping you together? And were you always like this?

Born a Catholic, grew to be an atheist. Honestly see religion as a social construct developed in order to give inexplainable things substance by a supposed intangible higher being. Therefore in my opinion, giving life meaning in that particular sense even if there is no meaning.

Honestly I understand exactly what you mean. People tend to hang on to faith as a way to keep going. Some people don't know how to be good without it and honestly that is weird itself. But mostly having faith gives them a sense of purpose. A sense of belonging. I also consider myself an atheist. I was raised a Christian but it was never something I could relate to or feel spiritually or emotionally.

My earthly beliefs: varied

Religious beliefs: I believe in Jesus Christ as God, who's role is the son of God, who came to earth to *judge sinners by giving us a new Covenant of love and sacrifice and demonstrated this by giving his life to purchase and reedem mankind back to a state of relationship and fellowship with Him.

Anyone who believes on the name of Jesus, will be given immortality and will inherit the Kingdom of God as a son/daughter of God. Belief is measured through faith and a change of heart, as it regards your moral values and the life you live. I.e .. follow the 10 commandment.

Ctbing in my opinion transgresses the 10 commandments, so I am afraid to explain why I did it to God, but my salvation is not in jeopardy as Christ has already redeemed the world unto Himself. The purpose of believing in Christ while alive on Earth is purely to spread love and to teach people about what He did.

And I believe that everyone, from every culture, whether unbelieving or with different religious views, dead or alive, will be saved by God, so that everyone will inherit the Kingdom of God in the end. Because God will require that everyone know and recieve the truth. And death is not the final say in whether or not you can be saved, as death cannot separate mankind from the infinite love of God.

You are the first person that actually believes in a god, that have faith. My question is (and I hope this isn't a trigger) believing in god, why not hang on to him? I don't know personally but most people say hanging on or having faith keeps them from wanting to die or trying to ctb. And someone mentioned a good point to me and it made me realize something. Without faith, there is nothing really stopping someone from ctb. But with faith usually they hold back because of their religion or beliefs or they usually believe that their god will be able to get them through it. Can you explain why or how it's different for you? I want to understand the opposite point of view, if you don't mind.

Don't believe in anything other than being the best individual one can be. And try to be as openly accepting of others as is possible for you.

I do have a strong belief that one should "do no harm". If that is not possible in the specific situation then bow out. It may even call for an apology of sorts. But not some random fake, feel-good apology either. It must mean something to both you and the other person. If it doesn't mean anything to them you can walk away with a clear conscience knowing you did your best.

Do you believe in ghosts? Reincarnation?

 

[Challu]

You are the first person that actually believes in a god, that have faith. My question is (and I hope this isn't a trigger) believing in god, why not hang on to him? I don't know personally but most people say hanging on or having faith keeps them from wanting to die or trying to ctb. And someone mentioned a good point to me and it made me realize something. Without faith, there is nothing really stopping someone from ctb. But with faith usually they hold back because of their religion or beliefs or they usually believe that their god will be able to get them through it. Can you explain why or how it's different for you? I want to understand the opposite point of view, if you don't mind.

Well, my reasoning is totally selfish. I just want to be with God now, instead of waiting for my death. I guess, I should say that I want to control when I die, instead of God deciding? No matter, how I think about it - it sounds like I have no faith in God's plan for my life.. but I've totally lost hope in this world. The path that God had for me, the desires or gifts He would let me recieve.. all pale in comparison when I think about finally being with Him.

But, it's very bad reasoning. I'm condemning myself to a potentially unfavorable judgment because of my decision to ignore God's will for my life. It's very scary to think about.. to be honest

But i just have more faith in the loving and understanding qualities of God. If I am punished, it won't be forever.

Psalms 103:9 He does not keep rebuking; he is not angry forever.

Christians reading this might say that I'll go to Hell, but I say, just discover what the Bible says. The concepts of an eternal lake of fire that God allows to eternally torture souls is not a literal fire, it represents a process of refining and removing bad qualities (sinfulness) from people.

Rev 4:11:
"The smoke of their torment ascended up forever and ever.."

Smoke = the process of purification
Torment = testing, touchstone
Forever and ever = age-lasting, an age to age.

If you want to study the Bible, you can find the actual meanings of these words (Greek-Hebrew) which are often wrongly used by Evangelicals, Baptists, Calvanists, etc to describe an eternally torturing God.

 

[Roseate]

Well, my reasoning is totally selfish. I just want to be with God now, instead of waiting for my death. I guess, I should say that I want to control when I die, instead of God deciding? No matter, how I think about it - it sounds like I have no faith in God's plan for my life.. but I've totally lost hope in this world. The path that God had for me, the desires or gifts He would let me recieve.. all pale in comparison when I think about finally being with Him.

But, it's very bad reasoning. I'm condemning myself to a potentially unfavorable judgment because of my decision to ignore God's will for my life. It's very scary to think about.. to be honest

But i just have more faith in the loving and understanding qualities of God. If I am punished, it won't be forever.

Psalms 103:9 He does not keep rebuking; he is not angry forever.

Christians reading this might say that I'll go to Hell, but I say, just discover what the Bible says. The concepts of an eternal lake of fire that God allows to eternally torture souls is not a literal fire, it represents a process of refining and removing bad qualities (sinfulness) from people.

Rev 4:11:
"The smoke of their torment ascended up forever and ever.."

Smoke = the process of purification
Torment = testing, touchstone
Forever and ever = age-lasting, an age to age.

If you want to study the Bible, you can find the actual meanings of these words (Greek-Hebrew) which are often wrongly used by Evangelicals, Baptists, Calvanists, etc to describe an eternally torturing God.

Are you diagnosed with anything? Clinically depressed? Because there has to be more than just wanting to be with god. Like what about this life are you trying to escape from? Most people on here are depressed, disabled and etc. I just don't understand it.

 

[Darkover]

my motto is "do anything you want just don't cause another harm"
since life itself is always a harm there should be no life at all

 

[orca87]

I don't really believe in anything.

To some extend I would assume that us being in a simulation is more likely than that there is a god. There are plausible proofs for that. But then, these proofs just follow the "state of the art" science, just like the "proofs of god's existence" did in their times.

After all, its all imagination. What we call a soul and our energy is just some weird chemistry and electrical current in our brains. If that brain is cut from its energy source, there is nothing left.

 

[6MillionWaystoDie]

Not even ghost? What do you think happens after death? By belief, I'm not just talking about god or whatever…

So you would say you believe that in some way or form, our souls exist after death? Is that what you're trying to say?

By belief, I didn't specifically mean religion. Like whatever you believe in, it could be outside of religion. It could be like as simple as believing in ghost, or Mother Nature or karma. Just things like that.

Outside of religion, do you believe in anything? Something that maybe keep you grounded. I realize people tend to believe in some form of something to help keep them together.

I just mean outside of religion. I should've specified that. Also what is a massive gay cope?

then what keeps you grounded? What is keeping you together? And were you always like this?

Honestly I understand exactly what you mean. People tend to hang on to faith as a way to keep going. Some people don't know how to be good without it and honestly that is weird itself. But mostly having faith gives them a sense of purpose. A sense of belonging. I also consider myself an atheist. I was raised a Christian but it was never something I could relate to or feel spiritually or emotionally.

You are the first person that actually believes in a god, that have faith. My question is (and I hope this isn't a trigger) believing in god, why not hang on to him? I don't know personally but most people say hanging on or having faith keeps them from wanting to die or trying to ctb. And someone mentioned a good point to me and it made me realize something. Without faith, there is nothing really stopping someone from ctb. But with faith usually they hold back because of their religion or beliefs or they usually believe that their god will be able to get them through it. Can you explain why or how it's different for you? I want to understand the opposite point of view, if you don't mind.

Do you believe in ghosts? Reincarnation?

Nope no ghosts. No reincarnation. I do leave space open though for phenomena that can't be explained.

For example there are some interesting CCTV videos and Ring videos that purport to be undoctored. The videos show stuff like spirits rising up from dead bodies. Assuming they are real I wouldn't try to explain it away like some folks who may 100% disavow such phenomena. But the likelihood of me experiencing and encountering such things are near 0, hence my view.

I've read the bible for knowledge sake to try new philosophy. I've listened to things that others claimed to have happened to them such as NDE etc., that make them believe. But those things never seem to ever happen to me.

If there is / are God(s), spirits, or ghosts then they're all composed of ass-holic material and thought systems; And therefore f*ck 'em. None of them have done anything good or helpful for me when I've needed it most. I've never asked for or expected unrealistic miracles. I'd even be open to something as simple as sending a message/ sign /imagery that would bestow some meaningful understanding of a few things that I could grasp onto. But no such thing has ever shown up.

In that sense I range between agnostic and disbelief of anything supernatural. But I'm not so stuck in my disbelief that I would write off others who believe in something they've experienced. I'd just be inclined to skeptically question it. Afterall if the being is so great and wanted me to believe, understand or see it, it would show up for me personally. Otherwise maybe I'm just a loser not worthy of it. And that would be equally fine and worthy of my "f*ck the spirits" worldviews.

 

[Roseate]

my motto is "do anything you want just don't cause another harm"
since life itself is always a harm there should be no life at all

But life doesn't cause harm. It's the people that does the harm.

 

[watchdog]

So you would say you believe that in some way or form, our souls exist after death? Is that what you're trying to say?

Something along those lines.

 

[Darkover]

But life doesn't cause harm. It's the people that does the harm.

there's 1000s of diseases cancer for one, having to kill and eat to survive, a slow death, birth defects disabilities, homeless, heartbreak, the loss of a loved one

there's no soul your just a machine made up of atoms we can't exist outside of these atoms we are just a tempoary construct

 

[hamtaro]

Afterlife (and related) general discussion

Since there are numerous threads about afterlife, reincarnation, heaven and hell, limbo, nirvana, the list goes on, I thought it was a good idea to make a general thread for the subject. Let's try to respect each other's views. No one knows what awaits us after we die, if anything other than...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Thread in the Off-Topic forum folks might be interested in.

 

[Danielwc]

I worry there is a god. Say death isn't the end and we have to exist with this asshole in-between lives. If I could be guaranteed oblivion I would go now. The whole setup is shit and I don't want to live, I don't want this supposed gift. I'm just living because I'm afraid of dying. I think perhaps it's a case of better the devil you know. It's no way to live but what else can I do?

 

[Unattainable666]

Do any of you believe in anything? Doesn't matter what. And if so, what?

I believe the world is a shit show and I don't belong here.

 

[Challu]

Are you diagnosed with anything? Clinically depressed? Because there has to be more than just wanting to be with god. Like what about this life are you trying to escape from? Most people on here are depressed, disabled and etc. I just don't understand it.

Depressed fits best. Failed college 3 times, unemployed, living with the rents, thousands in credit card debt, ugly, not outgoing, no direction/purpose, etc.. Better option to give up and go to the Lord. Punishments or no.

 

[Mirrory Me]

That our purpose for being here is to cross the road. That life is an evolution, a continuum forward.

 

[Roseate]

I believe the world is a shit show and I don't belong here.

Damn I'm sorry. This world is a shit show. But that's tough.

Depressed fits best. Failed college 3 times, unemployed, living with the rents, thousands in credit card debt, ugly, not outgoing, no direction/purpose, etc.. Better option to give up and go to the Lord. Punishments or no.

Some of those can be worked on. Like for instance, I don't believe people are ugly. I just think that some of us have to try harder to look good whether that mean investing in some good skincare, working out at the gym, getting fit, dressing as the person we want to become. But either way, most people who claim to be ugly usually are people who puts zero effort into their looks and not everyone is naturally gorgeous just like not everyone is naturally thin. Also you can work at being outgoing as well or finding your direction. Like volunteer at places you like and I believe you might find your purpose there and your direction. About the outgoing part, that one is tough but honestly, you just really need a small groups of people you can call friends and make the effort to go out at least once a week with them. It seems hard at first (trust me I am struggling myself) but then it's not as hard.

That our purpose for being here is to cross the road. That life is an evolution, a continuum forward.

So our purpose to die? What does cross the road mean to you?

 

[qwadzx]

My belief: Don't trust anyone. Especially religious people / social justice activist

My belief: Don't trust anyone. Especially religious people / social justice activist

tmi: The fanatic Christian belief is the reason why my life has been f**ked and I decided to CTB. It was totally fake and ruined everything

 

[bloop714]

Do any of you believe in anything? Doesn't matter what. And if so, what?

yes, born a Sikh and I still am. Even though our religion also says that life is precious things but I kind of do not think that much when I think about ctb, for everything else yes I totally believe all principles. And yes I believe in karma, but tbh I have really done very bad things, so I ofc know that I'll have to pay, I am not a better person, and my religion sometimes still gives me hope that doing repentance can still make you feel better if it cannot compensate. And also even if I believe in my religion, I think if a person has no humanity, then even if he is a theist doesn't matter. Religion principles are there to make a better person, if the foremost people just change the principles for their gain, it is no longer a religion, it just becomes a business, which is happening in our religion a lot and I feel pretty bad about it(I don't know about others much)

 

[Mirrory Me]

So our purpose to die? What does cross the road mean to you?

No, that's cbt. I was just thinking why chicken crossed a road- why do I exist as me. If there's a purpose for it.

I have seen this video, but life isin't always just dancing on roses, so to speak.

 

[Roseate]

My belief: Don't trust anyone. Especially religious people / social justice activist

tmi: The fanatic Christian belief is the reason why my life has been f**ked and I decided to CTB. It was totally fake and ruined everything

Can I ask exactly what happened? I was raised in a Christian household, not a fanatic Christian thank goodness. But my mom have it in her head that leaning to god will somehow cure all of my problems. She also believes that because I was born a Christian, I'll be a Christian forever. I told her once I didn't believe in that but she scolded me then continue to try to get me to go to church with her. And it's weird because if there is god, I don't understand how even with free will you could allow your children to be in pain without interfering. Like is one children more important than another that one can be in great pain while the others are chilling with their happy family? People are always like but he gave free will and so what? Yes, we have free will but that doesn't mean he can just watch us kill each other and let it happen then expect us to still have faith? Blind faith is dangerous.

yes, born a Sikh and I still am. Even though our religion also says that life is precious things but I kind of do not think that much when I think about ctb, for everything else yes I totally believe all principles. And yes I believe in karma, but tbh I have really done very bad things, so I ofc know that I'll have to pay, I am not a better person, and my religion sometimes still gives me hope that doing repentance can still make you feel better if it cannot compensate. And also even if I believe in my religion, I think if a person has no humanity, then even if he is a theist doesn't matter. Religion principles are there to make a better person, if the foremost people just change the principles for their gain, it is no longer a religion, it just becomes a business, which is happening in our religion a lot and I feel pretty bad about it(I don't know about others much)

Interesting. I've never heard of such religion ever. Even before religion became a business, it was still very much dangerous. That's one reason I can't understand it. All religion claim that they are about love and that god loves everyone, even those that aren't following him. Yet they also say god punishes those that sin or don't follow him. I could understand if they were killing, but if you love the same gender, if you have intercourse before marriage, or if you eat certain food, or dress a certain way or even watch a certain thing. Love is about accepting people for who they are, and not punishing them. When you punish someone for being themselves, you are saying they aren't enough. That they should change. And it seems very controlling. And love is not about control. And then there are those religious people spreading hate all around and committing actual crimes and those churches cover it up every single time. It doesn't make sense.

No, that's cbt. I was just thinking why chicken crossed a road- why do I exist as me. If there's a purpose for it.

I have seen this video, but life isin't always just dancing on roses, so to speak.

Honestly, I don't know. I've always wondered and there isn't anyone that can answer that. Maybe there isn't a reason at all, maybe we have convinced ourselves that there is to make ourselves feel better, to make the unfortunate events leading up to life somehow sounds better. A way of gaslighting ourselves to continue feeding it by birthing more kids that are ultimately going to be depressed and miserable.