Method What’s the most legal, painless, and easy ctb?

[Tintin]

2000psi 88 cubic feet, haven't tested it, don't wanna waste gas

Thank you.

 

[Aap]

Forget the psi, it is irrelevant. The only number that matters for your question is the cf

 

[profoundexperience]

How do you convert cf to l, keeping 2000psi in mind?

I'm not a super-expert and it depends... But most tanks are specified by the cubic feet they hold when completely full... and "completely full" is always at a standard pressure (around 2000 psi). That's in the United States and there may be different standards elsewhere.

Of course, as you use the gas, the pressure (psi) will decrease... and that will indicate there are fewer cubic-feet left in the tank.

Google can convert ft^3 to liters. For example: https://www.google.com/search?q=40 ft^3 to l

Bottom line: What @Aap said!

May I aks, have you tested it to the point of blackout?

I tested to the point of extreme dizziness (just by inhaling nitrogen flowing out of my hose). Usually, there's little-to-no advance notice of unconsciousness... so I know I was still getting some oxygen (doing the full bag as a test is impossible — you could kill yourself very easily).

There was a great thread where someone did a test with a mask, just not attached to their face, and recounted their experience... but the thread seems to be gone now. I did save a pdf of it somewhere, so ask if you'd like me to try to find it for you...

 

[kite]

You don't need anti emetics, they might help but also might not. I haven't got any and won't be bothering with them. Paracetamol, ant acid, and SN is all.

are you sure they're not needed? I've heard if you don't take them that you'll vomit

 

[Aap]

Many people vomit with them. The only thing that is needed for SN is fasting, Sn, and time undisturbed

 

[scarletohara]

does anyone have any thoughts on the efficacy on using poisonous plants, foxglove, belladonna, lily of the vally and so on?

 

[DetachedDreamer97]

does anyone have any thoughts on the efficacy on using poisonous plants, foxglove, belladonna, lily of the vally and so on?

I'll say foxglove or pong pong seeds are effectively lethal, especially the latter. But it's also unpleasant to say the least. Yew is also decent as a method, but you require much more than what the paper says.

Nightshades, it's a possibility, but you need a shitton of those.

 

[scarletohara]

I'll say foxglove or pong pong seeds are effectively lethal, especially the latter. But it's also unpleasant to say the least. Yew is also decent as a method, but you require much more than what the paper says.

Nightshades, it's a possibility, but you need a shitton of those.

thanks, i did read the digitalis slows the heart down and causes heart attack but u would be unconscious and wouldnt be an awful way to go

 

[DetachedDreamer97]

thanks, i did read the digitalis slows the heart down and causes heart attack but u would be unconscious and wouldnt be an awful way to go

I'm afraid you would experience pain, unless you combine it with agents that are likely used in the DDMP or things that work similarly. You need proper drugs to mitigate the pain and GI distress. Cardiac glycosides are cholinergic.

 

[scarletohara]

I'm afraid you would experience pain, unless you combine it with agents that are likely used in the DDMP or things that work similarly. You need proper drugs to mitigate the pain and GI distress. Cardiac glycosides are cholinergic.

so complicated, ive stuffed it up before on tramadol and amitriptyline

 

[LostSoul1609]

Fall alseep on train racks, but isolated train racks are hard to find in cities and killing yourself that way will cause incredible suffering to bystanders and the driver, not to mention the people who are going to witness your body afterwards

 

[DetachedDreamer97]

so complicated, ive stuffed it up before on tramadol and amitriptyline

Minimally, you'll need scopolamine to counter most of the undesired effects. And combined with something at least as potent as morphine, you experience twilight sleep.

 

[scarletohara]

Minimally, you'll need scopolamine to counter most of the undesired effects. And combined with something at least as potent as morphine, you experience twilight sleep.

shame cant get my hands on morphine

 

[DetachedDreamer97]

shame cant get my hands on morphine

Eh, I feel you... at the same time. I had to improvise with alternatives, though it's not likely to be as effective in causing respiratory depression. But it's useful enough. That said, just gotta do some research and think outside the box.

 

[scarletohara]

Eh, I feel you... at the same time. I had to improvise with alternatives, though it's not likely to be as effective in causing respiratory depression. But it's useful enough. That said, just gotta do some research and think outside the box.

im trying, just when i think im getting somewhere it turns into a dead end

 

[DetachedDreamer97]

im trying, just when i think im getting somewhere it turns into a dead end

Eh, it happens. I have a lot of questions on the principle agent and searched the web through all engines and still couldn't find a clear answer. That said, look up herbs that are somewhat potent like morphine... or morphine alternatives. Kratom is one of them, but there are even alternatives to that. And some will need to be mixed together.

 

[scarletohara]

Eh, it happens. I have a lot of questions on the principle agent and searched the web through all engines and still couldn't find a clear answer. That said, look up herbs that are somewhat potent like morphine... or morphine alternatives. Kratom is one of them, but there are even alternatives to that. And some will need to be mixed together.

i will look that up thanks, seems that whatever i take wont be enough to do the job, id just end up throwing up or surviving in a worse state

 

[DetachedDreamer97]

i will look that up thanks, seems that whatever i take wont be enough to do the job, id just end up throwing up or surviving in a worse state

Sure thing man.

 

[lmon]

"Could you provide any info on seizures/convulsions? Ive heard that basically seizures don't happen with this method but minor convulsions of the extremities are common so like I said im going to trap my hands under my seatbelt which should be good. Ive also heard of SI kicking in after losing consciousness and ripping off the bag but is that even possible if a good space of nitrogen is maintained? Are there other factors that could cause that?"

Your thoughts about hands are good (or one could put them in their pocket). No one is ripping anything off after consciousness is lost.

anyone recommending inserting a tube after the bag is on has no clue what they are talking about. The tube should be taped to the inside of the bag. Oven bags should be used. Breathing deeply is important to ensure one passes out quickly. Once consciousness is lost, it won't be regained unless the bag is torn or removed.

The one finger rule means you can pull the bag away and get a finger in. Otherwise, the elastic and bag should be in contact with one's neck. Said another way, if the bag is on with gas turned off, if one can inhale and get fresh air, then it is too loose. The idea is that the elastic is tight enough that only by the positive pressure of the gas flowing can gas escape.

Isn't it a 2 finger rule?

You don't have to do any testing unless you want to. Totally up to you! Just nice to get an idea of how it's going to go and get comfortable with it.

Anyway... just saying you have plenty of gas... so not a worry.

One thing that surprised me in testing was the noise level (and, of course that depends on different factors... but the higher the flow, the more noise and you said you were going to try to do 20 lpm). I decided I'm going to wear some headphones to block some noise. (like it really matters for the few seconds I'll be conscious)

Before I "cracked" my tank, I made a mark with a Sharpie marker on the main valve's turnable "knob" as well as a corresponding mark on a stationary part of the valve assembly = that way I could make absolutely sure to re-tighten the knob back to its original position (both my Sharpie marks/lines exactly "line up").

This is a great idea