What's happening with C?

[BipolarGuy]

Contacted C last weekend and he said N is out of stock, but should be back in in approx 5 days.

Sent him a message yesterday and received a message today to tell me that he's still out of stock and it will be another 7-8 days.

 

[rt1989526]

Not sure but someone tried to ctb with their N and survived after ingesting 25g having not been discovered for 5 hours. Which is sketchy as fuck.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

At least he's responding and not just leaving you hanging to wonder and stress out.

 

[BipolarGuy]

Not sure but someone tried to ctb with their N and survived after ingesting 25g having not been discovered for 5 hours. Which is sketchy as fuck.

Yes I saw that recent thread.
I wonder what that says about the % purity?

At least he's responding and not just leaving you hanging to wonder and stress out.

That is indeed a positive.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Not sure but someone tried to ctb with their N and survived after ingesting 25g having not been discovered for 5 hours. Which is sketchy as fuck.

They also spilled a significant portion that they did not ingest.

 

[BipolarGuy]

They also spilled a significant portion that they did not ingest.

When you say "significant portion", what do you mean exactly?

C's N is purportedly 25g.
Dignitas uses 12g.
So even if the person spilled more than 50% of it, it STILL should have been enough!

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

When you say "significant portion", what do you mean exactly?

C's N is purportedly 25g.
Dignitas uses 12g.
So even if the person spilled more than 50% of it, it STILL should have been enough!

Please check the forum for how much of that powder equates to the liquid 12g, I don't recall exactly. Also check the forum for the minimum recommended amount for lethality, I believe it's 6g. @Mud., I hope it's okay to tag you, would you be willing to answer this if you know?

They said they spilled about a teaspoon, which equates to around a third.

 

[BipolarGuy]

Please check the forum for how much of that powder equates to the liquid 12g, I don't recall exactly. Also check the forum for the minimum recommended amount for lethality, I believe it's 6g. @Mud., I hope it's okay to tag you, would you be willing to answer this if you know?

They said they spilled about a teaspoon, which equates to around a third.

It's 12g of N dissolved in liquid, not 12g of liquid.

Dignitas used to use 10g, it now uses 12g.

Let's suppose you're right and that by dropping a teaspoon of powder they lost about 9g.
That would still leave 16g that they took; 33% more than the current Dignitas dose.
Suppose they didn't drink a quarter of it, that would still leave 12g that they took; the current Dignitas dose...

 

[rt1989526]

It's 12g of N dissolved in liquid, not 12g of liquid.

Dignitas used to use 10g, it now uses 12g.

Let's suppose you're right and that by dropping a teaspoon of powder the lost about 9g.
That would still leave 16g that they took; 33% more than the current Dignitas dose.
Suppose they didn't drink a quarter of it, that would still leave 12g that they took; the current Dignitas dose...

The N from C is not pure, we know this for sure. My understanding is that it was testing in the 60-67% purity range but you'll have to dig that up to verify.

 

[BipolarGuy]

The N from C is not pure, we know this for sure. My understanding is that it was testing in the 60-67% purity range but you'll have to dig that up to verify.

Are you sure?
C assured me 98% purity in my correspondence with him.
BUT a review on his profile is from someone claiming only 50%...

 

[rt1989526]

Are you sure?
C assured me 98% purity in my correspondence with him.
BUT a review on his profile is from someone claiming only 50%...

Of course he SAYS it is lol

You'll have to go thru the Megathread N from C for discussion about test results but it's fair to assume he is not selling 98% pure product. I believe some people shared their test results in that thread. No chance this guy isn't stepping on the product, that's what drug dealers do.

 

[BipolarGuy]

Of course he SAYS it is lol

You'll have to go thru the Megathread N from C for discussion about test results but it's fair to assume he is not selling 98% pure product. I believe some people shared their test results in that thread. No chance this guy isn't stepping on the product, that's what drug dealers do.

That may be so, but if someone ingested 16g of powder (after the spillage) and survived when the lethal dose is 6g, that equates to only 37.5% purity AT MOST!

I'm going off the fact that C sells 25g of powder, roughly a third of the powder being spilled as described in the other thread, and the minimum lethal dose being around 6g.

Edit: on a personal level I'm obviously looking to buy from C, but this is concerning.

 

[rt1989526]

That may be so, but if someone ingested 16g of powder (after the spillage) and survived when the lethal dose is 6g, that equates to only 37.5% purity AT MOST!

I'm going off the fact that C sells 25g of powder, roughly a third of the powder being spilled as described in the other thread, and the lethal dose being around 6g.

Agreed, which is why I found that story to be just mind boggling. Almost beyond logic. I don't know what to make of it... And then not being found for 5 hours as well. Crazy!

 

[BipolarGuy]

Agreed, which is why I found that story to be just mind boggling. Almost beyond logic. I don't know what to make of it... And then not being found for 5 hours as well. Crazy!

Well I guess there could be more to that story than we are told. However as far as I recall there is no mention of vomiting. Furthermore I have taken into account in above discussion the possibility of not drinking all of it, even after accounting for the spillage.

I am not filled with confidence at this point, I must say.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

It's 12g of N dissolved in liquid, not 12g of liquid.

Dignitas used to use 10g, it now uses 12g.

Let's suppose you're right and that by dropping a teaspoon of powder they lost about 9g.
That would still leave 16g that they took; 33% more than the current Dignitas dose.
Suppose they didn't drink a quarter of it, that would still leave 12g that they took; the current Dignitas dose...

Your math makes sense provided that 25g of powder equates to 25g, and of course there is the question of percentage of purity. But as I said, I don't believe the powder amount equates to the liquid amount, hence why I tagged another member.

 

[OnlyTheWind]

Are there really only two known suppliers of N? There's gotta be someone else out there!

 

[BipolarGuy]

Your math makes sense provided that 25g of powder equates to 25g, and of course there is the question of percentage of purity. But as I said, I don't believe the powder amount equates to the liquid amount, hence why I tagged another member.

I certainly hope my maths makes sense, I have a degree in it.

I'm unsure what you mean by the "liquid amount". Dissolving a substance in a liquid does not change the mass of the amount you dissolved. E.g. if you dissolve 25g of a substance in some volume of water, then that volume of water contains 25g of the dissolved substance - no extra substance is magically created, nor does any of it disappear magically.

I agree about the purity. We have reason to call purity into major question. Not just because of the story on the other thread but because there exists a review on C's profile that complains that the purity was only 50%.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I certainly hope my maths makes sense, I have a degree in it.

I'm unsure what you mean by the "liquid amount". Dissolving a substance in a liquid does not change the mass of the amount you dissolved. E.g. if you dissolve 25g of a substance in some volume of water, then that volume of water contains 25g of the dissolved substance - no extra substance is magically created, not does any of it disappear magically.

I agree about the purity. We have reason to call purity into major question. Not just because of the story on the other thread but because there exists a review on C's profile that complains that the purity was only 50%.

This is the last I'll comment until the other member replies because this is becoming an argument rather than a discussion or debate and it doesn't feel good on my end.

100ml of liquid N, say Pisabental, does not equate to 100g of N, but if it's Pisabental, it's 6g, which is at the lowest threshold for lethality. What I'm saying is the same for the powder -- 25g does not necessarily equal 25g, and it's been discussed on the forum, hence my asking another member who is as up on N as I am on SN.

 

[BipolarGuy]

This is the last I'll comment until the other member replies because this is becoming an argument rather than a discussion or debate and it doesn't feel good on my end.

100ml of liquid N, say Pisabental, does not equate to 100g of N, but if it's Pisabental, it's 6g, which is at the lowest threshold for lethality. What I'm saying is the same for the powder -- 25g does not necessarily equal 25g, and it's been discussed on the forum, hence my asking another member who is as up on N as I am on SN.

Apologies if it started to feel like an argument. I didn't intend for that at all and it didn't feel like that to me. I apologise.

My intention was purely to discuss the maths behind the dosage.

You mentioned in the quoted message above that 100ml does not contain 100g.
I wouldn't expect it to.
One describes a volume (ml), while the other describes mass (g), and I wouldn't imagine 1ml of water is able to fully dissolve 1g of a substance (100ml dissolving 100g would be a concentration of 1g/ml).

By all means the two quantities can be combined to describe the 'concentration' of a substance in a volume of liquid, but this is beyond the point.

 

[AlreadyGone]

Are there really only two known suppliers of N? There's gotta be someone else out there!

As far as we know, A and C are the only "reputable" sellers of N that are currently available.

Are you sure?
C assured me 98% purity in my correspondence with him.
BUT a review on his profile is from someone claiming only 50%...

C will tell you whatever he needs to guarantee the sell. You will need to have it tested to verify purity.

 

[Infinite Conscious]

As I have never been on the dark web and am totally ignorant of it, is it appropriate to ask here what the price of N is from those two vendors who do sell it?

Or if someone can please point me in the right direction of a thread that covers such info... where, how, how much, etc.

 

[BipolarGuy]

As far as we know, A and C are the only "reputable" sellers of N that are currently available.


C will tell you whatever he needs to guarantee the sell. You will need to have it tested to verify purity.

Any idea how/where I might go about getting it tested? Presumably I will need to do this anonymously. How long will it take and at what cost?

Another concern of all of this is what is being used to 'tread on' the N?
People wish to buy N due to it being a relatively peaceful method, but is it being mixed with something that could do harm and make it less peaceful - something to consider if it's only 60% purity or thereabouts. I do not know the answer to this.

 

[Mud.]

The N from C is not pure, we know this for sure. My understanding is that it was testing in the 60-67% purity range but you'll have to dig that up to verify.

This is right. C's N has been tested various times by members on the Exit forum through Energy Control in Spain.

International Energy Control |

energycontrol-international.org

If you buy 25 grams of N from C, the purity (the concentration of pentobarbital in the N) will be in the 60-67% range.
The rest is filler.

This can of course always be subject to change, that's why it's recommended to always test N powder.

Years ago there was another seller from China named Johnson in the PPH.
He begin with selling 25 grams of N with a purity level of 75% pentobarbital but then he started cutting it up and finally ended up selling 25 grams of N with a purity level of only 20% pentobarbital. He was kicked out of the PPH for scamming.

It's the one clear advantage Liquid N has over powder.
Since you're buying a brand made in a medical factory, you know exactly what you're getting if the bottle is sealed and has never been opened.

...People wish to buy N due to it being a relatively peaceful method, but is it being mixed with something that could do harm and make it less peaceful - something to consider if it's only 60% purity or thereabouts. I do not know the answer to this.

Nah, in C's case, it's just the usually redundant stuff that dealers use to cut up their merchandise.
Nothing that will intervene with the way the pentobarbital works.

 

[checkouttime]

Your math makes sense provided that 25g of powder equates to 25g, and of course there is the question of percentage of purity. But as I said, I don't believe the powder amount equates to the liquid amount, hence why I tagged another member.

I read you take 12g of powder,I'm pretty sure it's to combat the purity problem of it being 67% pure.

so average person=6g to CTB
12g powder N (67%) pure = 8g also this would be nearer to the 9g swiss clinics were using

Not sure but someone tried to ctb with their N and survived after ingesting 25g having not been discovered for 5 hours. Which is sketchy as fuck.

have you got the link to this so i can read it?

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

If you buy 25 grams of N from C, the purity (the concentration of pentobarbital in the N) will be in the 60-67% range.
The rest is filler.

So then if the other member had 25g at 60% purity, that would be 15g, and if she lost a third of it, that would leave 10g. 6g is the bare minimum, and she's lightweight, so 10g should have been more than enough. Even at 50% purity, it would have been 8g.

 

[checkouttime]

Any idea how/where I might go about getting it tested? Presumably I will need to do this anonymously. How long will it take and at what cost?

Another concern of all of this is what is being used to 'tread on' the N?
People wish to buy N due to it being a relatively peaceful method, but is it being mixed with something that could do harm and make it less peaceful - something to consider if it's only 60% purity or thereabouts. I do not know the answer to this.

1. there is a site you can get it tested, energy control
2. I wouldn't be too worried about what its 'cut' with if you are going to CTB with it!!!! hopefully its something that kills you even more lol. Only reason i can see it being cut is to make more profit. bet it isn't that much too make either, especially in china

 

[Mud.]

So then if the other member had 25g at 60% purity, that would be 15g, and if she lost a third of it, that would leave 10g. 6g is the bare minimum, and she's lightweight, so 10g should have been more than enough. Even at 50% purity, it would have been 8g.

Your math is completely correct although not all of Dr. PN's colleagues in the field agree that 6 grams of pentobarbital is enough in all cases.
Most recommend at least 9 grams for (reasonably) healthy adults.
(So 6 grams is pushing it if you're a male and you weigh 80 kilograms.)

Dignitas, Pegasos and the Netherlands have upped their dose in recent years (they're closer to 15 grams of pure pentobarbital now) but that's just to speed up the process for loved ones that are in attendance. It shortens the coma phase.

 

[BipolarGuy]

This is right. C's N has been tested in the past various times by members on the Exit forum by Energy Control in Spain.

International Energy Control |

energycontrol-international.org

If you buy 25 grams of N from C, the purity (the concentration of pentobarbital in the N) will be in the 60-67% range.
The rest is filler.

This can of course always be subject to change, that's why it's recommended to always test N powder.

Years ago there was another seller from China named Johnson in the PPH.
He begin with selling 25 grams of N with a purity level of 75% pentobarbital but then he started cutting it up and finally ended up selling 25 grams of N with a purity level of only 20% pentobarbital. He was kicked out of the PPH for scamming.

It's the one clear advantage Liquid N has over powder.
Since you're buying a brand made in a medical factory, you know exactly what you're getting if the bottle is sealed and has never been opened.

Yes you have a point about buying Nembutal ('liquid N') over powder.

For me there are a couple of important considerations:

- A sells Nembutal. This is pentobarbital in liquid form, dissolved in an injectable solution and used for animal euthanasia.
C sells pentobarbital in powder form.
Pentobarbital is said to taste very bitter, so I can only imagine that drinking it with injectable liquid is absolutely putrid. This will not help with trying not to vomit.

- In order to purchase from A you have to send him the money before the product is dispatched. He has been known to ghost people after payment or if you contact him to say the product hasn't been delivered.
When buying from C you can use an escrow system so that he isn't paid until the product turns up. He says that if you don't receive the product he will reship.

 

[Fedrea]

So this seems to indicate it would be unwise to use N from C without at least testing your individual batch for purity. One member confirming it at 67% does not of course mean future batches may not be diluted further, for whatever reason, seller cutting it, or source of seller. I suppose the biggest risk would be ending up with brain damage though taking insufficient N.

 

[BipolarGuy]

So this seems to indicate it would be unwise to use N from C without at least testing your individual batch for purity. One member confirming it at 67% does not of course mean future batches may not be diluted further, for whatever reason, seller cutting it, or source of seller. I suppose the biggest risk would be ending up with brain damage though taking insufficient N.

67% is actually a disgusting level of 'purity'. It would imply that a THIRD of what you're taking isn't the substance you paid for!