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waterworks

in the luminous darkness
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Anyone interested in friendly discussion/debate? If you are, what's a belief you have that's controversial? Keep in mind others will be free to challenge your belief and argue against it or just have a discussion.

So please don't bring up topics you are sensitive about or just avoid saying anything please. I'm not trying to create a toxic thread and get myself banned.

My "controversial" belief is that humans were once ruled by extra terrestrial life. These ETs were the ones that birthed the old civilizations (Sumeria) and inevitably influenced ancient writings including the Torah and Bible. In short, the Christian "god" was an ET, or one of several anyway.
 
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let me spell it out for you: go to hell
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sounds like youre discounting evolution as a whole and underestimate early human innovation. geological records clearly show we did not need outside influence to exist, work together or build large structures.
known physics demonstrates the universe is too large and chaotic for alien interaction to even be a thing. considering how easily weve already nearly killed our planet in only a very short span of existing, how 99.999% of everything to ever exist (including at least 15 other hominid species, our former close cousins) has already gone extinct and how absurdly far away/extreme lengths of time it takes for interstellar travel to be a thing, that relative existential clocks are not just arbitrary notions but set timetables based on the physics of elements (universal, not just our interpretations), the universe is just literally too big for life to interact across it. we cant just break the laws of physics and neither can other life that would interact on our level of interaction or observation. if they exist beyond that level? highly, highly, HIGHLY unlikely but then they may as well not exist for all that we can detect them and why would they downgrade a creation to 3d when they can hop across spacetime like we do across town

do remember that scientists love getting proved wrong (the point of the scientific method), so seti, ligo and cern literally exist to prove people wrong and if they cant, thats not us going "look we're smart" thats us going "look we made a bunch of predictions and tried over and over to throw the books and counter-math at it because scientists generally dont get funded billions on useless bullshit so we were left no other options but to use massive machines to prove the math wrong but it happens to say we're right". vast majority of experiments ever throughout history are wrong until theyre not, and those small amounts of "success" are the ones we hear about
 
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We have very limited or virtually no free will. Our brain is already aware of our actions before we consciously are aware ourselves. Neurologists have already proven this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_free_will#:~:text=Free will as illusion,-It may be&text=The discovery that humans possess,idea that intention initiates actions.

"One significant finding of modern studies is that a person's brain seems to commit to certain decisions before the person becomes aware of having made them. Researchers have found a delay of about half a second or more (discussed in sections below). With contemporary brain scanning technology, scientists in 2008 were able to predict with 60% accuracy whether 12 subjects would press a button with their left or right hand up to 10 seconds before the subject became aware of having made that choice.[6] These and other findings have led some scientists, like Patrick Haggard, to reject some definitions of "free will"."
 
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Autism should be eliminated (talking about prophylaxis here, not genocide).
 
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Ducks are horrible creatures who deserved to die.
 
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they say it’s darkest of all before the dawn
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I have too many
 
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I believe that there's no afterlife of any kind. The concept of the soul is a myth. Human consciousness is tied to the existence of your body and mind in the physical realm
 
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Angst Filled Fuck Up

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Sep 9, 2018
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Wonder what @Angst Filled Fuck Up thinks of this...

Honestly, it's so horrific I can barely even formulate a proper response. This is "what's a controversial belief you have?" - not "what are your fucked up genocidal fantasies?"

I mean Jesus. You see someone post a few times over several weeks on an internet forum, you think you know them.

Corkscrew penis motherfuckers.

And you better watch yourself too.
 
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I believe dogshit (and piss) all over the sidewalks, parks, streets is deplorable. It's horrible for the environment even when it is picked up, though it seldom is. Humans are (mostly) not permitted to do it so why do we think it's so sweet and cute and that dog shit somehow feeds the ecosystem with love?
In the USA anyway, it's everywhere. It must be controversial because everyone else seems to love it.

There's gotta be a top prize in physics available to whomever can solve the mystery of how all the shit and piss ends up everywhere, though, because every owner will swear up and down they are very responsible and always pick it up. So how is it getting there? 🤔🕵🏻‍♂️
 
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EvisceratedJester

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Forget ducks, what about killer geese?
Geese are too powerful to kill off. If we even tried they would commit worldwide genocide.
Honestly, it's so horrific I can barely even formulate a proper response. This is "what's a controversial belief you have?" - not "what are your fucked up genocidal fantasies?"

I mean Jesus. You see someone post a few times over several weeks on an internet forum, you think you know them.
Your species makes me sick.
 
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everyone is gay except me
 
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not-2-b-the-answer

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Anyone interested in friendly discussion/debate? If you are, what's a belief you have that's controversial? Keep in mind others will be free to challenge your belief and argue against it or just have a discussion.

So please don't bring up topics you are sensitive about or just avoid saying anything please. I'm not trying to create a toxic thread and get myself banned.

My "controversial" belief is that humans were once ruled by extra terrestrial life. These ETs were the ones that birthed the old civilizations (Sumeria) and inevitably influenced ancient writings including the Torah and Bible. In short, the Christian "god" was an ET, or one of several anyway.
I was going to say something similar but you said it much better. 👍
 
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waterworks

in the luminous darkness
Jan 31, 2024
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sounds like youre discounting evolution as a whole and underestimate early human innovation.
I'm not discounting evolution or underestimating human innovation. I said humans were once ruled by extraterrestrials.
geological records clearly show we did not need outside influence to exist, work together or build large structures.
Okay, but that's not the argument here. I didn't say humans need this theory to explain that. I'm sure homosapiens were capable of much.
known physics demonstrates the universe is too large and chaotic for alien interaction to even be a thing.
Which physics is that? I've not found anything of the sort. In fact, the fermi paradox exists because there should be abundant civilization observable to us, but there isn't. Also your video only gives reasons why we would suppose communication hasn't occurred between us and ET life.
considering how easily weve already nearly killed our planet in only a very short span of existing, how 99.999% of everything to ever exist (including at least 15 other hominid species, our former close cousins) has already gone extinct
Extinction events are very circumstantial and dare I say random. The dinosaurs just happened to be wiped out by an extinction event with a probability of around 10^(-8); homosapiens have been around even a fraction long enough for that probabilitic chance. Plenty of time for an advanced civilization to evolve. So please explain more on these supposed limiters that are giving you that probability.
and how absurdly far away/extreme lengths of time it takes for interstellar travel to be a thing, that relative existential clocks are not just arbitrary notions but set timetables based on the physics of elements (universal, not just our interpretations), the universe is just literally too big for life to interact across it.
Travelling in 3d would be absurd, but even general relativity leaves room for wormholes and warp drives. Manipulating space in 4d in order to reduce distance travelled, and this is just what is currently understood to be possible.
we cant just break the laws of physics and neither can other life that would interact on our level of interaction or observation.
Which laws are being broken?
if they exist beyond that level? highly, highly, HIGHLY unlikely but then they may as well not exist for all that we can detect them and why would they downgrade a creation to 3d when they can hop across spacetime like we do across town
Sorry, I don't get this part. Downgrade a creation to 3d?
Do remember that scientists love getting proved wrong (the point of the scientific method), so seti, ligo and cern literally exist to prove people wrong and if they cant, thats not us going "look we're smart" thats us going "look we made a bunch of predictions and tried over and over to throw the books and counter-math at it because scientists generally dont get funded billions on useless bullshit so we were left no other options but to use massive machines to prove the math wrong but it happens to say we're right". vast majority of experiments ever throughout history are wrong until theyre not, and those small amounts of "success" are the ones we hear about
Okay, but how does this relate to what you said earlier?



We have very limited or virtually no free will. Our brain is already aware of our actions before we consciously are aware ourselves. Neurologists have already proven this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_free_will#:~:text=Free will as illusion,-It may be&text=The discovery that humans possess,idea that intention initiates actions.

"One significant finding of modern studies is that a person's brain seems to commit to certain decisions before the person becomes aware of having made them. Researchers have found a delay of about half a second or more (discussed in sections below). With contemporary brain scanning technology, scientists in 2008 were able to predict with 60% accuracy whether 12 subjects would press a button with their left or right hand up to 10 seconds before the subject became aware of having made that choice.[6] These and other findings have led some scientists, like Patrick Haggard, to reject some definitions of "free will"."
Free will is overated. What would that even mean, no philosopher or scientist can coherently explain what a free will would be like.



Autism should be eliminated (talking about prophylaxis here, not genocide).
But how, I doubt that's controversial. Everyone agrees autism is not a great thing to be burdened with. It almost sounds you're implying something can be done, but people are avoiding do that thing.



I have too many
Fair enough



I believe that there's no afterlife of any kind. The concept of the soul is a myth. Human consciousness is tied to the existence of your body and mind in the physical realm
Does that mean you believe philosophical materialism? Honestly, I can understand why someone would believe as you do. I have an open view, I've seen a compelling case for both there being no afterlife and there being one.



I believe dogshit (and piss) all over the sidewalks, parks, streets is deplorable. It's horrible for the environment even when it is picked up, though it seldom is. Humans are (mostly) not permitted to do it so why do we think it's so sweet and cute and that dog shit somehow feeds the ecosystem with love?
In the USA anyway, it's everywhere. It must be controversial because everyone else seems to love it.

There's gotta be a top prize in physics available to whomever can solve the mystery of how all the shit and piss ends up everywhere, though, because every owner will swear up and down they are very responsible and always pick it up. So how is it getting there?
🤔🕵🏻‍♂️
If this is controversial, then I get burned at stake with you.
 
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I believe that there's no afterlife of any kind. The concept of the soul is a myth. Human consciousness is tied to the existence of your body and mind in the physical realm
I don't find logical statements controversial 😂.
 
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ijustwishtodie

death will be my ultimate bliss
Oct 29, 2023
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1. FC doesn't deserve to get banned.
2. Eugenics is good if implemented properly to get rid of disabilities.
3. For 99% of humans, most of their life is just constant wage slavery and they agree to this wage slavery like NPCs and also justify it as well.
4. Leading on to 3, I believe that many people aren't living but rather merely surviving. I believe that it's the 1% of humans who are truly living life.
5. Anybody who voluntarily wants to reach old age are just irrational

I also have a 6th controversial belief but this one is so controversial to where the mods deleted it the last time I mentioned it hence I won't mention it here
 
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Into the Unknown
Feb 10, 2020
20,139
I think psychiatry shouldn't be considered a real science. It's a pseudo-science at best that relies on faulty statistics and trial-and-error instead of the real Scientific Method. The entire field will be nothing more than a joke to me until they actually find out how to solve every single patient's individual problems without any side effects which I suppose can't be guaranteed by other pharmaceuticals either but that just means that realm is also cursed.
 
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Cats> dogs, sorry not sorry ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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Tesha

Life too shall pass
May 31, 2020
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That the internet has created a whole generation of people that lack an ability to think for themselves.
 
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lita-lassi

lita-lassi

let me spell it out for you: go to hell
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I'm not discounting evolution or underestimating human innovation. I said humans were once ruled by extraterrestrials.

Okay, but that's not the argument here. I didn't say humans need this theory to explain that. I'm sure homosapiens were capable of much.

Which physics is that? I've not found anything of the sort. In fact, the fermi paradox exists because there should be abundant civilization observable to us, but there isn't. Also your video only gives reasons why we would suppose communication hasn't occurred between us and ET life.

Extinction events are very circumstantial and dare I say random. The dinosaurs just happened to be wiped out by an extinction event with a probability of around 10^(-8); homosapiens have been around even a fraction long enough for that probabilitic chance. Plenty of time for an advanced civilization to evolve. So please explain more on these supposed limiters that are giving you that probability.

Travelling in 3d would be absurd, but even general relativity leaves room for wormholes and warp drives. Manipulating space in 4d in order to reduce distance travelled, and this is just what is currently understood to be possible.

Which laws are being broken?

Sorry, I don't get this part. Downgrade a creation to 3d?

Okay, but how does this relate to what you said earlier?
guess i misinterpreted what you meant by "birthed", thats a vague statement

whatever alien civilizations are out there, theyre literally too far away. "light years" is not a joke or anything to underestimate. we cant just work around it nor the speed of light being the speed limit of existing. where were we millions of years ago? nowhere. we only see things millions and billions of years in the past because its that far away. by light. the "by time" comparison is mind numbing. the expansion of spacetime exiles us from other galaxies, but even within our own, we cant even reach the closest star and how many years have we been looking nearby? barely any and its still shockingly far away despite being relatively "close" for space. it is unfathomably vast, even nearby. we hardly see anything of the known universe, given how large its expected to be due to cosmic inflation. life is complicated and messy and far more likely to not advance to anything beyond bacteria; there are (potentially, according to microbiologists) up to 2 trillion species on earth and almost all of them are tiny, simple, single celled or very small muti-celled organisms with 0 intelligence to speak of. evolution does not favor intelligence if the spectrum of a species success involves "existing prolifically". it takes absurdly more resources to develop neurons, brains and larger bodies that can adapt to more than just "devour fuel and multiply dna" by the simplest means possible. it took billions of years for that to happen on earth. planets get wiped out routinely, not much in the universe actually remains stable long enough for anything resembling civilization to form. what little life may remain after the gauntlets of radiation, heat, cold and other small life consuming it are just too far away and not developed further.







recent updates to the fermi paradox math have reinforced that we will almost certainly not encounter any life and it will not encounter us

as for the warp drive and wormhole stuff, if a physicist or engineer ever figures out how to overcome something plank length sized, "exotic matter" or contend with the gravity of a black hole and survive it (which is what all these ideas seem to rely on), congrats to them they've won every nobel prize ever lol. substances that cannot exist in the universe and forces matter cannot endure. its literally impossible for humans or anything, really, to physically overcome. it isnt plausible. mathematics also doesnt forbid the statistical possibility of spontaneously popping out of existence here on earth and reappearing at some random point in spacetime. michio kaku (a fucking crackpot but hes not bad at math) required his grad students to find the correct statistics on exactly that to graduate his theoretical physics class at one point. math saying its possible doesnt automatically make it physically possible for us. its not and i wish certain public speakers would stop these doublespeak psych out propositions like it is just for money and clicks. very long and im sorry for the rant but i study physics and this is a point of contention for me if you cant tell lol
 
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Chinaski

Chinaski

Arthur Scargill appreciator
Sep 1, 2018
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1. FC doesn't deserve to get banned.
1) posts demanding FC be reinstated should be kept in their own containment thread

2) FC did deserve to be banned

3) animal cruelty should be punishable by death
 
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martinso67

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DDMPA (that medical aid in dying medication) should be available for free with a waiting period of 1-2 months. For anyone over the age of 21.
A leaflet or booklet with instructions and information about that method is given with DDMPA as well.
 
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waterworks

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Jan 31, 2024
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1. FC doesn't deserve to get banned.
2. Eugenics is good if implemented properly to get rid of disabilities.
3. For 99% of humans, most of their life is just constant wage slavery and they agree to this wage slavery like NPCs and also justify it as well.
4. Leading on to 3, I believe that many people aren't living but rather merely surviving. I believe that it's the 1% of humans who are truly living life.
5. Anybody who voluntarily wants to reach old age are just irrational

I also have a 6th controversial belief but this one is so controversial to where the mods deleted it the last time I mentioned it hence I won't mention it here
This is like the third time or so I've heard someone talk about FuneralCry. They are starting to sound like a modern messiah of the forum.

Eugenics is very controversial, no doubt. I personally don't think it's good because it is not pragmatic, and though it does sound appealing to eliminate disabilities, it relies on a minimalistic (sometimes wrong, depending on source) view of genetics and inheritance.

3 and 4 are agreeable to me, though I wouldn't say the percentage of humans finding fulfillment in their experience is 1%, it's much more.

Not sure about 5, I'd have to see what your thought process is on that. Honestly, I think it depends on circumstances, and not a flat out rule.

Now I'm more curious about 6, but fair enough.
 
Beyond_Repair

Beyond_Repair

Disheartened Ghost
Oct 27, 2023
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That the internet has created a whole generation of people that lack an ability to think for themselves.
People have always struggled with thinking for themselves - we're a social species and unconsciously feel safer in numbers.

I would even argue the internet has made it easier for people to think critically and come to their own conclusions by being exposed to ideas and people outside of what they would ever experience in day-to-day life.

Of course echo chambers are an issue. I think at the end of the day, the people who cannot think for themselves would have been that way anyway, the internet just gives them a platform, like everyone else
 
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waterworks

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I think psychiatry shouldn't be considered a real science. It's a pseudo-science at best that relies on faulty statistics and trial-and-error instead of the real Scientific Method. The entire field will be nothing more than a joke to me until they actually find out how to solve every single patient's individual problems without any side effects which I suppose can't be guaranteed by other pharmaceuticals either but that just means that realm is also cursed.
This is controversial alright. It's even got me curious. While I agree there is a lot wrong with the mainstream understanding of psychiatry, I don't think the practice itself is what's wrong or pseudoscience. I think the reason why psychiatry is still relying on faulty and outdated research, is that academia is like a cult, and it is very difficult for new research to gain ground. I mentioned once on here that though psilocybin has shown promise in trials with minimal to no side effects for the treatment of depression, it continues to be heavily regulated and controversial in the scientific community. It's "old heads" who are used to doing things a certain way, have connections in legislature and private industry that depend on this outdated research in order to make profits. Not to sound like I'm wearing a tinfoil cap, but Big Pharma is a thing.



That the internet has created a whole generation of people that lack an ability to think for themselves.
Are we talking the whole internet or is this a social media related thing. I think the internet has raised the collective iq of the human population since its birth.
 
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Most psychological disorders (ADHD, bipolar disorder, OCD) are trauma responses that have become ingrained into a person's personality

The DSM could be significantly shortened by classifying disorders by fight-flight, freeze-fawn, etc, responses
 
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EternalShore

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Jun 9, 2023
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I think psychiatry shouldn't be considered a real science. It's a pseudo-science at best that relies on faulty statistics and trial-and-error instead of the real Scientific Method. The entire field will be nothing more than a joke to me until they actually find out how to solve every single patient's individual problems without any side effects which I suppose can't be guaranteed by other pharmaceuticals either but that just means that realm is also cursed.
this but for psychology! People still base things on Freud for crying out loud! >_<

1. People are inherently evil [probably not controversial here, but it is in wider society~ :(]
2. Society poisons people away from their pure, child-like selves and destroys how they used to be~ :(
 
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