What would you want the scientists to know who do research on Sanctioned Suicide?

[noname223]

My initial question for this thread was: Would you have a guilty conscience as scientist who does research on SaSu?
I mean we don't give consent for using our data.
I don't think it is that horrible. There was something that baffled me:

https://cisa.asu.edu/sites/g/files/litvpz691/files/2025-05/Palma_M_Jimenez%20Arista.pdf

I mean something like that feels weird. And people pointed out this theory isn't all that accurate.


Personally, I think scientists should use their leverage to speak out against the Manichaean media depiction when it comes to this topic/when they report about this place.

If you scientists need someone for a psy op project contact me. Or we can make an arrangement you kill me very quickly with not too much pain involved and I will stop posting content that contributes to your headaches when reading stuff on here.

I once did a research thread abou the influence of AI chatbots on suicidality but not that many people participated in it.

By the way I once did a similar thread not about scientists but dedicated to lurkers.

 

[Pluto]

 

[BrontesA]

My initial question for this thread was: Would you have a guilty conscience as scientist who does research on SaSu?
I mean we don't give consent for using our data.
I don't think it is that horrible. There was something that baffled me:

https://cisa.asu.edu/sites/g/files/litvpz691/files/2025-05/Palma_M_Jimenez%20Arista.pdf

I mean something like that feels weird. And people pointed out this theory isn't all that accurate.


Personally, I think scientists should use their leverage to speak out against the Manichaean media depiction when it comes to this topic/when they report about this place.

If you scientists need someone for a psy op project contact me. Or we can make an arrangement you kill me very quickly with not too much pain involved and I will stop posting content that contributes to your headaches when reading stuff on here.

I once did a research thread abou the influence of AI chatbots on suicidality but not that many people participated in it.

By the way I once did a similar thread not about scientists but dedicated to lurkers.

The fact that we hadn't consented as a group essentially invalidates anything a researcher could find and write up. Like it literally wouldn't matter if they were completely correct and we all also thought so, the 'scientific community' would just shoot it down as unethical. This sort of ethical blockading and red tape is essentially why research has been useless in the Western world in the last few decades. Sure we're "finding out" about things, but not a single person actually benefits apart from the money worshippers.

Take it from someone who formerly studied psychology; not a single person with the power to do so is interested in genuinely making people better. If anyone cared then we'd make SSRIs extinct, instead we turned it into a pharma industry.

 

[BradGuy123]

Most of the stuff in the media about this forum is very negative. They make us about to be people who actively encourage people to do it and give detailed instructions. Nothing can be further from the truth. I read this PDF and found it to be pretty objective. They didn't demonize anyone on here.

 

[Canto XIII]

I don't think most countries place any real obligation not to use data publicly available online without permission, as long as personal privacy is respected, right? Personally, I'm generally more in favour of leaving researchers the possibility of doing their job. That being said, I'm afraid scientific discourse about this forum has good chances of not being truly objective, or at least of painting it in a negative light, not necessarily out of malice or ignorance of the researcher.

 

[Fadenself00_]

Research horrible neuropsychiatric side effects from psych drugs please

 

[fadedghost]

Suicidologists are not a large group. And they may not have an agenda. I also think the group is so small they are not always investigating SaSi. There was one very good study on this site that was published, but studying suicide is a very narrow area of psychology.

I would want suicidologists to know that my experience is involuntary care, especially when accompanied by rude treatment from people who work there and unkind conditions (with gaslighting that it's for safety and wellness), probably increases suicide rates. This is what I have seen anecdotally, and it's nearly impossible to prove because of the noise/signal issue, but the link is very likely there, and it's very likely very large. It's also possible that certain data needs to be removed in order to see the link. For instance, someone who is hospitalized for 1 week following being suicidal in a country with free healthcare and gets to keep their job and doesn't lose housing may be less likely to commit suicide. So to see the link, you probably have to look for certain subsets of the data. But I would gather there are distinct scenarios in which locked care is far, far more harmful than beneficial.

I would want suicidologists to know that for people who are incredibly suicidal, it is very easy to get pigonholed with a condition and then have friends, family, and others pressure you to take medications even if they don't seem to help and that many psychiatrists are biased and will write down you're doing better, even when you aren't, because you're now on medication. The combination of all this, pressure from people, family, friends, to be on medication, records that say certain medications help when they don't, can feel terrible and it ends of being incredibly alienating. There is a lack of agency that can happen with trying to get help and the result can actually damage relationships.

I would want suicidologists to know that concerns about agency are often the reason people don't discuss suicide in blunt terms with care professionals. There are a lot of people on SaSu who might be able to get better... a lot... and they just won't talk about how bad it is. There are also people on SaSu... a lot of people... who won't get better due to permanent problems... and those people can't get emotional support that could make life easier without risking a loss of agency.

I would want suicidologists to know that concerns about homelessness and poverty are frequent reasons people on here want to die. And often people aren't homeless but afraid of what will happen and the resources aren't there in society to address this and if people report "I'm thinking of killing myself because I'm afraid of becoming homeless" they just will get involuntarily hospitalized and drugged, when really they just need a place to sleep. The disconnect there, the fact that society seems to message "don't kill yourself!!! there's help!" and the fact that people sleep on the streets, is seen and noticed by suicidal people.

Research horrible neuropsychiatric side effects from psych drugs please

i would agree with this. many psych drugs have horrible, terrible side-effects and the symptom reductions are mild in comparison. from a quality of life perspective, many of these drugs make things much worse and psychiatrists care much more about symptom reduction than quality of life.