What is the difference between Gas chambers and Suicide by gassing? (Hydrogen sulfide)

[golfmavenice]

So, when people describes the gas chambers used in Nazi Germany, they describe it as a very painful method and it takes "minutes" to lose conciousness from it.

According to this article: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2954931/

(Suicide by hydrogen sulfide gas) There were 220 cases of attempted gas suicides during the period of March 27 to June 15, killing 208.

Which means it has at least 95% success rate.

There were young children used this "suicide by h2s" method and they are also dead too. (They didn't use any welding goggles)

None of them succeeded to leave their own gas chamber.

So how do we describe the extreme lethality of hydrogen sulphide method? If someone can't leave the area even when experiencing burning eyes, chest pain, irritation of throat and respiratory, it simply means that THEY IMMEDIATELY COLLAPSE.

The lethal dose of each chemical is described as "120 mL of each", while the victims mix SEVERAL CONTAINERS of each chemical, which produces 10-20 times the lethal level.

In most of the cases, victims lose consciousness within a single intake of breath and dies immediately. This is described as a "painless way" to kill oneself according to one Japanese article.

If it was a very painful and long time to die, then someone could simply leave the area.

What are your ideas on this?

 

[NobodyKnowsMe]

My guess is the gas chambers used a lower dosage, so death was not within 'one or two breaths' - and the Nazis definitely didn't care about some suffering before death took the people. A concentration of only 500-750 ppm will take 30-60 minutes for cardiac arrest. The concentration has to get to at 750 ppm to cause pretty quick knock-out, but must get to the 1000 ppm level for 'near instant death'. The ppm is not only dependent on the amount of chemicals used, but on the volume of space in the chosen room. The larger the space, the larger amount of chemicals required to hit the 1000 ppm level.

This method is still on my list of "possibilities" simply because of how fast it is if the ppm is high enough -- though my biggest fear is possibly causing harm to those that discover my body. Depending on who it is, they may ignore any warning signs that are put up.

 

[UpandDownPrincess]

So, when people describes the gas chambers used in Nazi Germany, they describe it as a very painful method and it takes "minutes" to lose conciousness from it.

According to this article: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2954931/

(Suicide by hydrogen sulfide gas) There were 220 cases of attempted gas suicides during the period of March 27 to June 15, killing 208.

Which means it has at least 95% success rate.

There were young children used this "suicide by h2s" method and they are also dead too. (They didn't use any welding goggles)

None of them succeeded to leave their own gas chamber.

So how do we describe the extreme lethality of hydrogen sulphide method? If someone can't leave the area even when experiencing burning eyes, chest pain, irritation of throat and respiratory, it simply means that THEY IMMEDIATELY COLLAPSE.

The lethal dose of each chemical is described as "120 mL of each", while the victims mix SEVERAL CONTAINERS of each chemical, which produces 10-20 times the lethal level.

In most of the cases, victims lose consciousness within a single intake of breath and dies immediately. This is described as a "painless way" to kill oneself according to one Japanese article.

If it was a very painful and long time to die, then someone could simply leave the area.

What are your ideas on this?

Don't do this. Please.

You may not lose consciousness immediately, you can survive and be damaged and the danger to others is very real.

You can leave. It is easy to open a car door. It has been done.

I am an H2S survivor. I did not expect some of the negative effects - including living.

Really. I mean it.

 

[Cathy Ames]

I am an H2S survivor. I did not expect some of the negative effects - including living.

Do you have any long-term or permanent adverse effects, other than living?

 

[UpandDownPrincess]

Here is what I know, based on my experience:

The gas will scar your throat and lungs. Swallowing will never be the same. Breathing can be normal on most days, but any issue - a cold, allergies or even smog can require hospitalization since your oxygen levels can drop in a heartbeat.

A splash from the reaction will destroy the skin it lands on and can burn right down to the bone. The pain associated with this is incredible.

I was found very quickly after the reaction began. You would not know that this ever happened to look at me most days. (I cover the area that was burned.)

One thing that people do not realize is that it's very hard to "take a deep breath" of a poisonous gas. Lots of guides to this method will tell you to take a big breath to try and pass out quickly. It's not that simple. Your body is going to recognize that you are being poisoned and try to shut down your inhale. You will cough and sputter. Your body will wriggle around, trying to avoid breathing the gas.

If you're considering this, please watch the fire department first responder videos if they're still online. When they perform the third test, you can see how violent the reaction becomes when the quantities are increased. More is not always better.

Also, you might still be able to find the story of the British man who was able to open the door and get himself out of a joint pact situation. This is more proof that more than one breath is likely going to be required. If he'd passed out after one breath, he'd never have been able to open the door and get out.

Some things to consider if you succeed: your corpse will become toxic waste. You will be stripped, your clothes discarded, and you will need to be "aired out" before being sent to the coroner or funeral home. The car you use will be totaled. Your insurance may or may not cover the loss. The gas will turn the skin around your mouth and nose a yellowish/grayish color. And it bears repeating that the risk to first responders is real and could be tragic.

My life is forever changed by my experience with this method, although you'd never be able to tell most days.

I didn't become a pro-lifer or anti-ctb, but I do advise against this method with everything I have.

 

[Pol]

"...And it bears repeating that the risk to first responders is real and could be tragic."

thank you. i keep forgetting about collateral damage.

 

[mostlycloudy]

I was going to pour about 2L of each into a large tub - I wonder if that would cause a reaction to be too violent and spill out.

Edit: heres a video showing the reactions and lethality: Video

 

[NobodyKnowsMe]

I was going to pour about 2L of each into a large tub - I wonder if that would cause a reaction to be too violent and spill out.

Edit: heres a video showing the reactions and lethality: Video

What I saw in that video is that with roughly 2L of each chemical, it took 6 min for the ppm to reach 1000, which is the level needed for death.

That means 6 minutes of your thoat and lungs scalding from the acid burn while the level increases high enough to kill you. That sounds like an absolutely horrid way to go.

I once considered this method, but dropped it from my list after learning more about it.


After thinking a bit on this, if you still want to use this method, I would do the following. Get a protective suite to wear - including eye goggles and breathing mask. Mix the chemicals in your enclosed space and wait 10-15 minutes for the ppm to reach 1000. Then remove the breathing mask. In that case you should die before you realize that your lungs are scalding.

 

[mostlycloudy]

What I saw in that video is that with roughly 2L of each chemical, it took 6 min for the ppm to reach 1000, which is the level needed for death.

That means 6 minutes of your thoat and lungs scalding from the acid burn while the level increases high enough to kill you. That sounds like an absolutely horrid way to go.

I once considered this method, but dropped it from my list after learning more about it.


After thinking a bit on this, if you still want to use this method, I would do the following. Get a protective suite to wear - including eye goggles and breathing mask. Mix the chemicals in your enclosed space and wait 10-15 minutes for the ppm to reach 1000. Then remove the breathing mask. In that case you should die before you realize that your lungs are scalding.

That does sound like a horrible way to go. But if so many have done it, and killed themselves does it really work like that? I mean if you inhale the fumes right away won't it knock you out? I thought that's how it was supposed to work and why it had such a high lethality rate. Would there really have to be 6 minutes of horrible suffering? Even a couple minutes would be an eternity and you'd be wishing you were dead. I don't want to go through that. But I really wonder if that's what would happen.

I was hoping this would be the way out …

 

[NobodyKnowsMe]

That does sound like a horrible way to go. But if so many have done it, and killed themselves does it really work like that? I mean if you inhale the fumes right away won't it knock you out? I thought that's how it was supposed to work and why it had such a high lethality rate. Would there really have to be 6 minutes of horrible suffering? Even a couple minutes would be an eternity and you'd be wishing you were dead. I don't want to go through that. But I really wonder if that's what would happen.

I was hoping this would be the way out …

I honestly don't know. I had considered this method once upon a time, but then scratched it from my list after reading some posts and articles that talked about the acid burning up your throat. Even if you passed out really fast, wouldn't you possibly still feel the burning? I've read articles that say that touch is one of hte last senses that we lose when we die.

The only possible way, and only if I were desperate and couldn't manage any other method, would be wearing full protective gear until I knew the PPM was high enough and then removing my breathing mask.

 

[mostlycloudy]

Thank you - I understand - but I'm desperate and I've sinned enough that if I suffer at the end so be it. I'm leaning towards trying this notwithstanding the pain it may cause.

 

[anxiousguineapig]

Could this method be combined with a plastic bag (like a large garbage bag)? Surely then the concentration would reach 1000ppm very quickly even mixing relatively small quantities.

 

[Alex6216]

Thank you - I understand - but I'm desperate and I've sinned enough that if I suffer at the end so be it. I'm leaning towards trying this notwithstanding the pain it may cause.

Why not do the SN method , less chance of it going wrong and giving you damage (if you fail). If you think SN isnt good you can take 2+mg of xanax and 100+ml of 1,4 BDO

 

[mostlycloudy]

If you used a bag I'm not sure how that would work. If you watch the video I posted the concoction is quite volatile and spews out all over.

Why not do the SN method , less chance of it going wrong and giving you damage (if you fail). If you think SN isnt good you can take 2+mg of xanax and 100+ml of 1,4 BDO

Good idea, but I don't know how to get SN or the anti vomiting drugs. On the other hand, I can easily get the ingredients to make the H2S.

 

[anxiousguineapig]

True, but I would wonder if there is a way to do this in a small enough space that the concentration rises extremely quickly.

 

[mostlycloudy]

That's a good point - a smaller space probably the better - but I've read lots of cases of this working in a vehicle.

 

[UpandDownPrincess]

That does sound like a horrible way to go. But if so many have done it, and killed themselves does it really work like that? I mean if you inhale the fumes right away won't it knock you out? I thought that's how it was supposed to work and why it had such a high lethality rate. Would there really have to be 6 minutes of horrible suffering? Even a couple minutes would be an eternity and you'd be wishing you were dead. I don't want to go through that. But I really wonder if that's what would happen.

I was hoping this would be the way out …

Please, please read my stories before you try to ctb this way.

One thing to consider is that the hundreds of people who died in Japan used chemicals that are not available here, or any longer. It was called "detergent suicide" because it used easily available household chemicals in Japan. By not using the exact same chemicals, you are not going to get the same result. That's not just me talking - that's science. You can't add in all the extra ingredients in the products you'll use and not change the chemical reaction.

The fact that I am alive is proof that one good breath is not enough. I did extensive figuring based on the square footage of the inside of my vehicle and knew the amounts were enough. It didn't matter. I also have to emphasize that it's not that easy to take a deep breath of poison. Your body is going to try to survive by shutting your throat as soon as that toxic soup hits it.

I also got a nasty chemical burn that is part of me forever from the violence of the reaction. Once that crap hit my leg, I wished I was dead in a way it is impossible to imagine. The pain of that burn has seared into my memory forever. 2 liters of chemicals combined is enough to cause splash burns.

Here's the thing: people are spending a lot of time trying to figure out how to beat the bad parts of this method. You can't. It's all bad. This is literally gassing yourself to death. You can't make it painless. You can't make it nice.

 

[golfmavenice]

PPH rates 10/10 for reliability of this gassing yourself method. As you see it doesn't mention about how quickly does the gas reach lethal levels, the key is , it reaches lethal concentrations quickly and death is inevitable.

 

[Istanbulite]

Was also wondering why is it a big deal if the gas is peaceful but yeah others noted, that gas was not so dense in essence in the Nazi camps, so it wasn't exactly a peaceful road to a sleep

 

[golfmavenice]

Also, 9 min to 1000 ppm, and 22 minutes to 15,000 ppm? Hah non sense

 

[mostlycloudy]

… You can't make it painless. You can't make it nice.

Unfortunately I don't know what else to do. Other methods appear elusive. Maybe invest in the PPE then take it off once the concentration is high enough as someone earlier suggested. I'm not sure that's really necessary but it should alleviate the risk of suffering badly before death.

Edit: after some quick searches it isn't obvious to me what PPE would be required but it would likely be expensive …