What is the best age to commit suicide?

[orangepotato]

What is the best age to kill yourself?

Personally, I think that by the time you're in your 30s, especially mid-30s, you have a good idea of the rest of your life will be like and can make a rational decision if life is for you or not. I think that 18 is a tragedy unless you have severe mental or physical illness, you can reinvent yourself at that age. Any age before 25 is young enough to radically change who you are. By your 30s, you're pretty much stuck how you are. I'm 34 now, and think that this the year I'll die. Hey, I gave it a good shot, but you know what, life just isn't for me. Life doesn't offer enough pleasure to justify wage-slaving 40 hours a week for the rest of my life, especially since I have no wife or gf for emotional support. I'm never going to experience young naive teenage love, I'm never going to have a hot 20-something wife, I never even got to really enjoy my 20s. Meh..

 

[nevinoven]

I think it is not about age

 

[ClownMe]

I dont really think there is a perfect age to be honest.

 

[Pluto]

I agree with your sentiments. Unless there is serious physical pain, sub-30s could be on the young side.

I do notice how many people have deep loneliness as a factor in their decision to CTB. It feels unfortunate because often there is just a need for advice. We are mis-educated when growing up, emasculated, stripped of our essential personalities while navigating the slaughterhouse of school. Then we wonder why we struggle to make meaningful connections when we are not ourselves. The cultural conditioning just needs to be reversed.

Having said that, I'm 40 and still haven't really overcome this problem. I am absolutely positively sure that I will draw a line in the sand soon. And yet, I feel like I could easily help someone younger to overcome it. Weird.

 

[FarAcrossTheWater]

Ideal age is 0. Never to have been born.

 

[orangepotato]

"It is not worth the bother to kill yourself because you always kill yourself too late". - Cioran

 

[Pluto]

Ideal age is 0. Never to have been born.

CTB in the womb, partial hanging using umbilical cord?

 

[demuic]

What is the best age to kill yourself?

Personally, I think that by the time you're in your 30s, especially mid-30s, you have a good idea of the rest of your life will be like and can make a rational decision if life is for you or not. I think that 18 is a tragedy unless you have severe mental or physical illness, you can reinvent yourself at that age. Any age before 25 is young enough to radically change who you are. By your 30s, you're pretty much stuck how you are. I'm 34 now, and think that this the year I'll die. Hey, I gave it a good shot, but you know what, life just isn't for me. Life doesn't offer enough pleasure to justify wage-slaving 40 hours a week for the rest of my life, especially since I have no wife or gf for emotional support. I'm never going to experience young naive teenage love, I'm never going to have a hot 20-something wife, I never even got to really enjoy my 20s. Meh..

My problem isn't just with how I am, it's with how other people are. And that will never change.

It's better to have never been born at all, but since that didn't work out, the next best time is as soon as possible.

 

[again_noidea]

What is the best age to kill yourself?

Personally, I think that by the time you're in your 30s, especially mid-30s, you have a good idea of the rest of your life will be like and can make a rational decision if life is for you or not. I think that 18 is a tragedy unless you have severe mental or physical illness, you can reinvent yourself at that age. Any age before 25 is young enough to radically change who you are. By your 30s, you're pretty much stuck how you are. I'm 34 now, and think that this the year I'll die. Hey, I gave it a good shot, but you know what, life just isn't for me. Life doesn't offer enough pleasure to justify wage-slaving 40 hours a week for the rest of my life, especially since I have no wife or gf for emotional support. I'm never going to experience young naive teenage love, I'm never going to have a hot 20-something wife, I never even got to really enjoy my 20s. Meh..

i agree with you, the only thing i would add is that i believe that you can change a lot of your emotional economy even when you are older. it is not easy and it requires luck and commitment, but it is still possible. And if you change how your emotional climate works, lots of other things might change as well. But overall, you are right.

 

[Deleted member 8579]

I think that 18 is a tragedy unless you have severe mental or physical illness, you can reinvent yourself at that age. Any age before 25 is young enough to radically change who you are.

I gave it a good shot,

You appear to operate under the assumption that life is some kind of "gift", and one ought to exhaust each and every possibility available before deciding to "throw it away".

Fine. I do not share this view.

I believe that non existence is always superior to existence, no matter how good the existence in question might have turned out to be. This is my personal opinion, and I don't apply this reasoning to anyone else. If you want to live, I will refrain from telling you that death is a better option.
In return, I demand the same courtesy from people who think like you, namely not telling people that committing suicide at a young age is a tragedy, or that one should not kill oneself unless all possibilities have been exhausted.

"It is not worth the bother to kill yourself because you always kill yourself too late". - Cioran

If you start with the premise that you always kill yourself too late, the only logical conclusion is that you should kill yourself as soon as possible.

My problem isn't just with how I am, it's with how other people are. And that will never change.

I would go even further: My problem isn't just how I am, I have a problem with the nature of this universe itself. Even if I had no problems with other human beings, existence would still be stupid, disgusting and unnecessary.

 

[hʚll]

I have a problem with the nature of this universe itself. Even if I had no problems with other human beings, existence would still be stupid, disgusting and unnecessary.

this.

 

[Hurt]

I think there's no age. But as day pass I regret that I haven't done it yet.

 

[Deleted member 8579]

this.

There is a difference between people who are unable to bear existence due to problems they experience and people who experience problems due to their inability to bear existence. While the former may want to live, but are unable to do so due to these unsolved problems, the latter have no will to live, because the problem they have to solve is existence itself.
One must not confuse members of the former group with members of the latter: While their initial problems may lead to an inability to bear existence, any problems that now arise from this inability to bear existence have their origin in the initial problem and are not caused by an inability to bear existence itself.

 

[FuneralCry]

Well in my case, I should have never been born. I have been alive for too long. If I ctb at an earlier age, I would have prevented lots of suffering. There is no such thing as a best age to ctb, as we all have different circumstances. It is a personal decision and it is up to the individual. We have the right to take our lives at a time of our choosing and nobody else has any say in this.

 

[Snake of Eden]

Mid 30s absolutely.

 

[Hamter21]

I'm 30 and I completely agree with you, I realized this is the best age to to sudoku. Your teens and 20's is where you give it a shot. 30 is where you have reflect on what you've become and whether you want to live that live or not.

 

[drune11]

This comes across as a question posited by someone that is new to the concept of it, or just generally uninformed. It isn't a contest, there is no "best" age to do it. You can be young and do it for certain reasons, and yes it would be tragic because you are full of potential. You can be in your 30s, 40s, 50s, whenever and do it for the same reason, or other things that can only manifest with age.

 

[celan]

"It is not worth the bother to kill yourself because you always kill yourself too late". - Cioran

this is perfect, i had the same quote from cioran in mind.

 

[RazzleDazzle]

The brain doesn't fully develop until around the age of 25. I think that anyone who hasn't experienced adulthood should give it a chance. Things get different when you're on your own. Not necessarily better, I mean, I'm here, but I've also known people who were suicidal at times in their teens/early 20's who don't feel that way now.

I see ctb as a last resort, when all other options for a tolerable life have been explored. I'm in my early 40's, and I've done what I can to get my shit together and build a life. And now my circumstances are beyond painful, it's painful to be alive living how I do now, and I'm trapped in a situation that I can't escape or change. If I had any other option I would take it. I don't regret not doing it before now, because before now I still had other options. Now I know that I've done what I could, it just wasn't enough.

 

[Snake of Eden]

The brain doesn't fully develop until around the age of 25. I think that anyone who hasn't experienced adulthood should give it a chance. Things get different when you're on your own. Not necessarily better, I mean, I'm here, but I've also known people who were suicidal at times in their teens/early 20's who don't feel that way now.

I see ctb as a last resort, when all other options for a tolerable life have been explored. I'm in my early 40's, and I've done what I can to get my shit together and build a life. And now my circumstances are beyond painful, it's painful to be alive living how I do now, and I'm trapped in a situation that I can't escape or change. If I had any other option I would take it. I don't regret not doing it before now, because before now I still had other options. Now I know that I've done what I could, it just wasn't enough.

You sound like the perfect candidate for suicide

 

[deflationary]

Death's no biggie for the person that's dead, so in that regard it's all the same. I've never once felt bad for anyone for not being able to experience the world, only for their negative experiences while alive. No one's ever gotten out of this world too early from their own perspective.

The only thing to consider is the effect on other people and whether that could be minimized by exiting at some specific point in life. That's individual to the specific situations people find themselves in, but for the most part from this perspective it's better to do it later rather than earlier.

 

[Mr2005]

The question sounds positively psychotic yet I relate to everything you said. I'm 35 now and feel maybe it's time to end it but that's just my personal circumstances

 

[Deleted member 8579]

nothing is going to matter in a 100 years, 200 years , 500 years. time goes by faster than people realize. some stars will live a trillion years. so a human life span is insignificant. even the universe will expand into nothingness eventually

The Earth is an insignficant pale blue marble in an infinite black void of expanding space so large that your mind will collapse just trying to understand how far just the next nearest star after the Sun is.....

Saying that nothing matters on a large or long enough scale is akin to saying that the scribbles I produced in kindergarten are indistinguishable from a Velázquez painting when viewed from a far enough distance; it's true, but not terribly helpful.
While we are able to conceptualise on a large scale, we effectively live on a small scale.
If someone chops off my arm, I won't be able to rationalise the pain away by considering it to be a triviality in the grand scheme of the universe that objectively doesn't matter; it still hurts.
A large-scale lack of objective meaning does not isolate me from subjective pain on a small scale. In fact, our subjective experience is all that matters at the end of the day.
As UseItOrLoseIt put it: "Scale changes everything. But that changes nothing."

 

[RazzleDazzle]

You sound like the perfect candidate for suicide

Which is why I'm here.

 

[deflationary]

Saying that nothing matters on a large or long enough scale is akin to saying that the scribbles I produced in kindergarten are indistinguishable from a Velázquez painting when viewed from a far enough distance; it's true, but not terribly helpful.

In my experience it can be helpful in a limited sense for stuff like caring about social standing and achievements and such. The more you internalize the truth of all that shit being nonsense, the less you're gonna care. For stuff that doesn't have any real rational component to it like physical pain, sure, it's not gonna do anything.

 

[RazzleDazzle]

While we are able to conceptualise on a large scale, we effectively live on a small scale.
If someone chops off my arm, I won't be able to rationalise the pain away by considering it to be a triviality in the grand scheme of the universe that objectively doesn't matter; it still hurts.
A large-scale lack of objective meaning does not isolate me from subjective pain on a small scale. In fact, our subjective experience is all that matters at the end of the day.

Well put. I know that there are experiences in life that are enjoyable and worth having, but the pain of living with what I live with overwhelms my ability to engage with them. If I could continue to go on living in spite of the conditions I'm in I would, despite my presence here I do feel, overall, that life has meaning and value. But the pain of my circumstances has cut me off from all possible value that life has for me. It's not possible for me to keep going in spite of the pain, the pain is all there is.

 

[Deleted member 8579]

life has no purpose imo except to suffer.

I disagree; life has no purpose at all. Suffering is merely one of life's unfortunate side effects.

When i said nothing will matter in 100 years i'm talking all the things society and culture says you have to do or get : like have children get married , entertainment , watching sports, youtube, social media, working , career , falling in love etc won't matter in 100 years in 1000 years

Society is not one big organism, and your individual interests and needs differ greatly from those of society at large, so why should you prioritise these things over your own needs and wants in the first place?

so what does it matter that someone has a billion dollars now, or a house , or a career ?

Try telling that to someone who's homeless and see him go, "My goodness, you're right! Why should I worry about money and housing when all these things won't matter in 1000 years?"

In my experience it can be helpful in a limited sense for stuff like caring about social standing and achievements and such. The more you internalize the truth of all that shit being nonsense, the less you're gonna care.

Do people really need to tell themselves that humans are insignificant compared to the vastness of the cosmos in order to realise that such things as social prestige are made up nonsense?

 

[deflationary]

Do people really need to tell themselves that humans are insignificant compared to the vastness of the cosmos in order to realise that such things as social prestige are made up nonsense?

Yes? Since like you said we live in the immediate. Seeing things in perspective takes conscious effort.

 

[Deleted member 8579]

Yes? Since like you said we live in the immediate. Seeing things in perspective takes conscious effort.

But one certainly need not resort to such extremes. It is sufficient to recognise that social prestige is a man-made concept and as such inherently flawed and worthy of critical examination. There is no need to invoke the eventual heat death of the universe or the next thousand years or similar far-reaching considerations in order to arrive at this conclusion.

 

[deflationary]

But one certainly need not resort to such extremes. It is sufficient to recognise that social prestige is a man-made concept and as such inherently flawed and worthy of critical examination. There is no need to invoke the eventual heat death of the universe or the next thousand years or similar far-reaching considerations in order to arrive at this conclusion.

It might not be necessary but it helps all the same. Why is something being man-made a problem? Because we're incredibly limited beings in every way. Thinking about scale is one intuitive and easy way to realize that.