What does pro suicide mean to you?

[hmnow]

I am always confused by this. Is agreeing you have a right to die in the way you choose pro suicide?

Or is about promoting it?

And is promoting it as a general solution or option with out trying to promote it to an individual a pro suicide activity!

 

[music]

it follows the same logic as the other kind of "pro-choice" and "pro-life". identifying as the opposite of pro-life here implies the promotion of that above all else

 

[PI3.14]

Pro-choice, generally speaking, is when you agree that people have the right to choose to suicide without judgement.

Pro-life, means that you don't think that people should have the right to suicide, or perhaps you only restrict the right to those who are very old or those who are terminally ill.

Pro-suicide, is probably a nihilistic view imo, one that probably sees that life is always bad for everyone, and the only "objectively right" thing to do is to end one's life.

This is my personal interpretation ofc.

 

[dontwakemeup]

I'm pro choice. A lot of people come on here and are having a difficult time. Some don't want to die, some do. Whatever you want to do, I will support you.

 

[grandmotherboxing]

Pro suicide to me means pro dignity.

 

[58Alice85]

It should be a human right for a private individual to kill himself within reasonable scenarios, taken up in countries constitutions, and humanitarian and charitable organisations.
Doesnt mean anyone should assist you are you have the right to blow your brains out on the streets.
Sadly this makes too much sense for the brainrotted masses and political systems.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I think pro-mortalists genuinely believe that (an early as possible) death is the best solution for any living creature unfortunate enough to have been born here.

That said, even the most pro-mortalist members here still (thankfully) respect the right to choose I imagine. I doubt they go around telling everyone they would be better off dead!

I expect they would be less discerning when it comes to people who are on the fence though. Why would they nudge them towards life if they think life is pure toture? They're unlikely to nudge them towards death either though. The most I tend to see is an agreement over how shit life is and an understanding they are considering ending it.

I don't think pro- suicide people are really like other protagonists. I'd question whether pro- suicide people even exist- outside of death cults. I can't see them waving placards saying: 'Kill yourself immediately!' on them!

I tend to think the majority of people are pro- choice but, they may lean more towards nudging people towards life where possible or- accepting without question a person's reasons for wanting to CTB. That's still about respecting choice though. If a suicidal person went to a clinic to end their life but, changed their mind- I doubt you would get pro- suicide or pro- mortalists pushing them back in!

 

[itsgone2]

I think most people can't even conceive of committing suicide, so they could never support it. Just tell you to get help or suck it up. I would like to go but I'm not pro anything. It sucks. I was happy once and would rather return to that. Just don't see it happening.

 

[WrathfulGloom32]

I think pro-mortalists genuinely believe that (an early as possible) death is the best solution for any living creature unfortunate enough to have been born here.

That said, even the most pro-mortalist members here still (thankfully) respect the right to choose I imagine. I doubt they go around telling everyone they would be better off dead!

I hold views similar to it but I'm not sure how this view even works online nowadays and even backadays (not sure if that's a word), I don't really like entering philosophical forums/subs, whatever, I hold my own views from what I learned, obviously they have existed before and were invented by others before me. I don't have the power to choose for others, their choices are their own. Many people might agree with this view of life even if they enjoy it, because they can objectively see others life from their point of view. Someone could have everything they wished for and still end up saying death is better than life and not being born is better than both, just like getting raped and tortured doesn't need to happen to you to know it's preferable to not get raped and tortured or for it to end as soon as possible.

Basically, this view has many branches, you don't owe anyone anything, if you wish to die, you can die, if it's your wish. If you want to live and help animals/humans and reduce their suffering (since you can't kill them all painlessly in one micro second) you can do that (If you wish, you are not forced to even if you are aware, you are not owed anyone your life). Murder under pro mortalism is not helping the cause, because it isn't a choice for the people who get killed and neither is it just, you could have killed the 6 happiest people that were objective thinkers who studied views like anti-natalism and pro-choice in suicide and could have in 50 years made 1 billion people able to critically think and kickstart an era where euthanasia is seen as a good thing, in the end those 6 people would have given the choice of being able to die to many more people. Although the murders don't happen because of a will to propagate pro-mortalism, they happen because the people are egoistic and sadistic, obviously.

Someone who actually believes in something like pro-mortalism philosophy and really wanted to make a difference, would educate people on critical thinking so that societies might allow suicides at one point and talk more openly about how life is shit! Because the goal isn't sadism or exerting control over others, the goal is for everyone to understand that death and not being born is preferable to life in a lot of circumstances and that many are forced to exist against their will, by peer pressure, self preservation instincts, etc. The goal of it, should always be to teach people that they have a choice and if they want death, it's theirs and that it's not a BAD answer, it's an answer and most likely the best answer for those who were born, not all of them, but too many of them.

 

[Bitch With An Apple]

For me it's that I think suicide is the right thing to do because of all the casual atrocities we have to commit in order to survive, both on an individual scale and a macro-scale, and because of the suffering we put ourselves through for no apparent purpose but to feed the cycle. Unless you're photosynthetic, you have to consume other living things to survive (usually against their will, unless you're only eating things that are explicitly offered to you like fruit. good luck with that). Larger social systems rely on subjugating their constituents and the environment to sustain themselves (resource extraction, factory farming, governments, wageslavery). I genuinely believe that we could all experience fleeting, rapture-like happiness if we collectively gave up on the social pressure to sustain the system and society metaphorically killed itself, just before we all collapsed under the weight of our own biological needs.

Even though my internal ideology is explicitly pro-suicide, in terms of how I interface with others I'm pro-choice. I don't think macro-scale suicide would really solve anything in the long term anyway, because life would probably just re-emerge either here or somewhere else. You can't really kill the principles that guide the universe towards producing life. I hold these beliefs pretty strongly but I'm not gonna force them on anyone else, just like I think no one should be forcing anyone else to live if they don't want to. Violation of will and consent is probably what I think of as the highest evil, and that's where my beef with life in general springs from, so I'd be a hypocrite if I did. I hate seeing this insanity endlessly unfold but there's nothing I can do about it aside from my part.

I think alternative solutions are possible too though. Moving into a purely synthetic diet is a step in the right direction imo. And we have to do something about how society, as an egregore, comes off more like some kind of all-consuming slaver-beast that demands supplication and submission than what you would think it functionally should be... a system that makes living easier and more rewarding.