Venting What do pro lifers even want?

[First loss]

I fucking hate them.

They are the kind of people that if they saw somebody hanging, would charge, stop them, share a few "inspirational" words with them and go on with their day. They would maybe share their story for some sweet internet points. They would feel proud for "saving" a life.

In reality, what the fuck have they even saved?

They just prolonged someone's pain and suffering. They literally denied someone's salvation.

 

[bluesky1972-2019]

It's the saving life at all costs that is really messed up. Doctors are the worst. Yes that's their job but you should only save life when that life has a quality to it. They save people who end up severely disabled or brain damaged. What for? So they can endure the torture of life? To me that makes them evil and sick. Just making someone exist in that state is so wrong.
And everyone has the right to decide when and how they leave this sick dying world. Nobody else has the right to tell them otherwise!

 

[crimea_river]

In my opinion, they're usually about as far from empathetic as you can get. Usually people whose world view really only exists within their own.

Phrases like 'suicide is selfish' were coined and popularised by the most selfish. Internet points are really only a replacement for the physical pat on the back, humans have got off on that forever and a day.

To walk a mile in someone elses shoes (as they say) is actually unfathomable for most, although they'll say different.

 

[any%]

@First loss
Maybe your judgement is clouded because you are in so much pain, but even though I am suicidal and want to succeed I would hate a world in which someone is not charging at someone who is about to take their life. World would be even a bigger shithole than it already is. If people dont engage suicide situations just imagine how little empathy you can expect in general. What makes you so sure that all suicidal people have made truly their own decision?

 

[Darkhaven]

Society desperately needs to preserve the life in our "shells" no matter what in order for us to keep generating incomes through taxes and feed those in power. A dead person pays no taxes so it has no value for them.
That's why they will always save a person even if he/she doesn't want to live anymore.

 

[First loss]

In my opinion, they're usually about as far from empathetic as you can get. Usually people whose world view really only exists within their own.

Phrases like 'suicide is selfish' were coined and popularised by the most selfish. Internet points are really only a replacement for the physical pat on the back, humans have got off on that forever and a day.

To walk a mile in someone elses shoes (as they say) is actually unfathomable for most, although they'll say different.

I hate the phrase "suicide is selfish" the most. Do you expect a person that wants to die to live solely for your pleasure? Fucking sick.

@First loss
Maybe your judgement is clouded because you are in so much pain, but even though I am suicidal and want to succeed I would hate a world in which someone is not charging at someone who is about to take their life. World would be even a bigger shithole than it already is. If people dont engage suicide situations just imagine how little empathy you can expect in general. What makes you so sure that all suicidal people have made truly their own decision?

You think this world is loving and caring and full of empathy? Take a glass of water, and swallow a redpill pal.

 

[RainAndSadness]

I came to the conclusion that these people don't act out of kindness or empathy. These people try to stop other people from committing suicide to make them feel better about themselves. It's purely a selfish act. They want to boost their ego and feel good, you know - and they achieve that by saving others from dying. It's a very natural thing. And they sincerely believe they're doing something good when they intervene with someones suicide. I even made someone admit this in the past, when we talked about my insurmountable struggles.
Just pay attention the next time you talk to them. You will realize that these people always talk about themselves when they try to change your mind. They will say things like "but I managed to escape [insert random struggle], why don't you too?" It happens every single time I talk to them. They will refer to their own situation and how they improved and the conversation is always about them. It happened so many times in the past with many different people. They're very self-centered people but they need this kind of confirmation. We should stay our ground though and explain our pro-choice philosophy with sane and logical arguments.

 

[crimea_river]

@First loss
Maybe your judgement is clouded because you are in so much pain, but even though I am suicidal and want to succeed I would hate a world in which someone is not charging at someone who is about to take their life. World would be even a bigger shithole than it already is. If people dont engage suicide situations just imagine how little empathy you can expect in general. What makes you so sure that all suicidal people have made truly their own decision?

That's a very fair point.

Every individual should be treated as unique though.

The blanket approach of 'all life must be sustained, at all costs' is flawed, particularly in societies that like to brand themselves as being part of the free world.

 

[First loss]

I came to the conclusion that these people don't act out of kindness or empathy. These people try to stop other people from committing suicide to make them feel better about themselves. It's purely a selfish act. They want to boost their ego and feel good, you know - and they achieve that by saving others from dying. It's a very natural thing. And they sincerely believe they're doing something good when they intervene with someones suicide. I even made someone admit this in the past, when we talked about my insurmountable struggles.
Just pay attention the next time you talk to them. You will realize that these people always talk about themselves when they try to change your mind. They will say things like "but I managed to escape [insert random struggle], why don't you too?" It happens every single time I talk to them. They will refer to their own situation and how they improved and the conversation is always about them. It happened so many times in the past with many different people. They're very self-centered people but they need this kind of confirmation. We should stay our ground though and explain our pro-choice philosophy with sane and logical arguments.

True. In fact, majority of people do good deeds simply because they want to feel good and not because they want to help out someone. It's just the way it is.

 

[PatKat]

I fucking hate them.

They are the kind of people that if they saw somebody hanging, would charge, stop them, share a few "inspirational" words with them and go on with their day. They would maybe share their story for some sweet internet points. They would feel proud for "saving" a life.

In reality, what the fuck have they even saved?

They just prolonged someone's pain and suffering. They literally denied someone's salvation.

I disagree, if I saw someone about to hang themselves, jump off a high place, or even holding a gun I would approach. I believe it would be my responsibility to try and help them if they wanted to be helped. That is engrained in me. I do not want anyone to hurt this badly it is awful, and I have saved lives and I will continue to do so.

On the other side me myself personally I hate myself, I think I am disgusting, I hate everything about myself, and I need to not be here anymore. It is completely different sides when it comes to myself or others. So I understand the feeling.

I would not revive someone that had obviously been without oxygen for more than a few minutes, but I would not stop someone else from trying if they did.

That isnt a prolife thing to me. I have saved people and they have thanked me for doing so.

 

[First loss]

I disagree, if I saw someone about to hang themselves, jump off a high place, or even holding a gun I would approach. I believe it would be my responsibility to try and help them if they wanted to be helped. That is engrained in me. I do not want anyone to hurt this badly it is awful, and I have saved lives and I will continue to do so.

On the other side me myself personally I hate myself, I think I am disgusting, I hate everything about myself, and I need to not be here anymore. It is completely different sides when it comes to myself or others. So I understand the feeling.

I would not revive someone that had obviously been without oxygen for more than a few minutes, but I would not stop someone else from trying if they did.

That isnt a prolife thing to me. I have saved people and they have thanked me for doing so.

Yes, I too would approach if a lad is about to hang himself and offer him a talk or help but I would refrain from "helping" is he was already half dead because my "help" would cause brain damage, thus more pain and suffering.

 

[LMFAO FOCKERS]

Sorry but I have no place else to put this. Makes me laugh that pro-lifer finally got herself banned. @WideAwake is dead.

 

[Johnnythefox]

I'm pro choice, but when your brother calls you from 400 miles away threatening to end it all, you don't say "go ahead", you try to work out the quickest way to get to him.
I'm sure many species in nature not only defend each other but actively try to rescue those in danger, there's many examples of this to be found.
I think it also applies to human nature, it's hard wired like Si.

 

[GeorgeJL]

We are genetically predisposed to help us survive in groups. So this thing is much deeper than just someone being selfish.

 

[Johnnythefox]

A past thread about pro lifers, I think @Chinaski was on form that day.

Pro lifers

 

[any%]

You think this world is loving and caring and full of empathy? Take a glass of water, and swallow a redpill pal.

I do not know where the hostility & your completely wrong conclusions are coming from. Talk about being passive aggressive, I am not your pal and I dont even know what you are talking about red pills. Also what dont you understand about the term 'shithole'? I am sorry for your general attitude as well, it sounds unhealthy, especially for yourself. I mean I like being a realist not just a plain pessimist, those are boring.

 

[not_a_robot]

the validation of feeling they control strangers' lives.
Social affirmation that they are "good" people doing the "right" thing.
Narcissistic self-aggrandizement.
it's also just instinct for some.
you see someone on a bridge, you yell "don't jump", that's all.

I do not know where the hostility & your completely wrong conclusions are coming from. Talk about being passive aggressive, I am not your pal and I dont even know what you are talking about red pills. Also what dont you understand about the term 'shithole'? I am sorry for your general attitude as well, it sounds unhealthy, especially for yourself. I mean I like being a realist not just a plain pessimist, those are boring.

I say "shithole" all the time.

 

[any%]

You all might be interested in this other point of view:

 

[Santiago]

I really don't understand how none of you can understand both sides of the story. It isn't as black or white as I am right and they are wrong.

 

[Sugar69177]

I'm sure family would do anything to save someone they love. Not always but most of the time I would think

 

[LastFlowers]

Sorry but I have no place else to put this. Makes me laugh that pro-lifer finally got herself banned. @WideAwake is dead.

I was so exhausted from having to report every post I came across of theirs that outright insulted, dismissed, and made a mockery out of another member's suffering.
Their intentions were against the pro-choice mantra this site is based in.
And they were becoming a bully when questioned.

Definitely an example of a pro-lifer and they also were not clear in what they wanted. They demanded honesty but were the definition of deceitful and glib.

 

[TAW122]

Pretty much what @bluesky1972-2019, @crimea_river, @RainAndSadness , and @not_a_robot said. The vast majority of people just want to feel good about it, get brownie points, Internet points, w/e points about it like some popularity contest among themselves. For the smaller percentage of people who care, those may have some good intentions, but are misguided, then of those in the genuinely care few, some are just very selfish and believe in the statement of "I like life so you should like life too!" which is bullshit.

 

[not_a_robot]

Pretty much what @bluesky1972-2019, @crimea_river, @RainAndSadness , and @not_a_robot said. The vast majority of people just want to feel good about it, get brownie points, Internet points, w/e points about it like some popularity contest among themselves. For the smaller percentage of people who care, those may have some good intentions, but are misguided, then of those in the genuinely care few, some are just very selfish and believe in the statement of "I like life so you should like life too!" which is bullshit.

Trying to get into heaven.
The same people who act horrified and call you selfish when you say you prefer to stay single and childless. As if marriage and families are some kind of cult that just has to assimilate everyone, hence all the blamey moral judgments.
They have the same response to childlessness and singlehood and suicide: YOU CAN'T! you just can't!"

 

[Severen]

I fucking hate them.

They are the kind of people that if they saw somebody hanging, would charge, stop them, share a few "inspirational" words with them and go on with their day. They would maybe share their story for some sweet internet points. They would feel proud for "saving" a life.

In reality, what the fuck have they even saved?

They just prolonged someone's pain and suffering. They literally denied someone's salvation.

Then that person is just going to kill themselves, later down the road.

I'm pro choice, but when your brother calls you from 400 miles away threatening to end it all, you don't say "go ahead", you try to work out the quickest way to get to him.
I'm sure many species in nature not only defend each other but actively try to rescue those in danger, there's many examples of this to be found.
I think it also applies to human nature, it's hard wired like Si.

I don't see it as human nature. I see it as a result of brainwashing. In the past, killing yourself was considered normal under certain circumstances. High ranking Romans would kill themselves all the time after being responsible for failing Rome etc. For most of human history, people were expected to commit suicide under certain circumstances. But then the Christianity virus took over.

 

[Bulletwbttrflywings]

I fucking hate them.

They are the kind of people that if they saw somebody hanging, would charge, stop them, share a few "inspirational" words with them and go on with their day. They would maybe share their story for some sweet internet points. They would feel proud for "saving" a life.

In reality, what the fuck have they even saved?

They just prolonged someone's pain and suffering. They literally denied someone's salvation.

They've saved their conscious... for whatever reason, at whatever cost. The ego is a powerful thing.

 

[Egddios]

Society desperately needs to preserve the life in our "shells" no matter what in order for us to keep generating incomes through taxes and feed those in power. A dead person pays no taxes so it has no value for them.
That's why they will always save a person even if he/she doesn't want to live anymore.

It's true; we are government property and treated as such. We are of no value dead, and while we suffer, we are still kept alive because the system needs its slaves, no matter the cost.

It's a disgusting reality.

 

[Crystal Labeija]

It's a built-in concept that people never really questioned; a relic from puritan times. Much of the world has, at some point, been dominated by a religion that was anti-suicide. In the US and Europe, that religion was/is Christianity. Even after decades of secularization, the relics of puritanism still haunt the Western World. That's why we also still see some stigma surrounding some areas of sex (sex work, openly appreciation for porn...etc).

 

[Vegrau]

Ego. It has always been about ego. Never about life. Never will be. Theyre craziest the ftard the world has ever seen.

 

[Crystal Labeija]

Ego. It has always been about ego. Never about life. Never will be. Theyre craziest the ftard the world has ever seen.

This very much! They don't care about mental health awareness or fighting depression. All they care about is self congratulating themselves on your prolonged suffering.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

@First loss
Maybe your judgement is clouded because you are in so much pain, but even though I am suicidal and want to succeed I would hate a world in which someone is not charging at someone who is about to take their life. World would be even a bigger shithole than it already is. If people dont engage suicide situations just imagine how little empathy you can expect in general. What makes you so sure that all suicidal people have made truly their own decision?

This is a pro-choice forum. Why the h... are you here? Nevermind...there is an ignore button...tah-dah!! Any%...!Gone!