What country in the world is willing to give the death penalty for proselyting or blasphemy?

[Kay_Philosopher]

Countries that an AMERICAN can travel to that are are accessible, viable, and not entirely sanctioned by interdiction. So, NO NORTH KOREA, NORTH SENTINEL ISLANDS, RUSSIA, OR UKRAINE.
Countries that execute foreigners, travels, etc, for committing blasphemy or proselyting preferred.

 

[Maudlin]

I'd look into the middle east, north Africa. You'll likely find a few.

If you've got healthy organs, go to China and proselytize on the benefits of Falun Gong.

The CCP makes good money off those folks, from what I understand.

 

[jandek]

I know capital punishment is a possibility for blasphemy in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, although I'd be surprised if they executed an American citizen. I don't think there's a precedent for that. You'd probably just end up with a long jail sentence.

 

[bluem00n]

EDIT:

I did originally offer some ideas, but having now had a look through the OP's post history, they seem to be on the site solely for their own amusement, rather than submit sincere enquiries or attempt to make genuine contributions to the forum - basically, they're just taking the piss - not a good look.

 

[wait.what]

Yeah, I wouldn't fuck around with anyplace that has Sharia Law. It's not like they just kill you cleanly. They'll sentence you to thousands of public cane strokes, to be given regularly over a period of years. Then they'd probably send you home to die a broken person rather than actually execute you. If you die in your own country under your own doctors' watch, it's not a diplomatic emergency, you see.

On the "plus" side, Amnesty International would write a very nice form letter pleading for your release, to be e-mailed verbatim by a bunch of earnest idiots to people who can't read English.

 

[Kay_Philosopher]

I'd look into the middle east, north Africa. You'll likely find a few.

If you've got healthy organs, go to China and proselytize on the benefits of Falun Gong.

The CCP makes good money off those folks, from what I understand.

Do you have any specific areas in mind in Africa or Middle Eastern countries? I honestly thought China just extradites Americans rather than executing them.

I know capital punishment is a possibility for blasphemy in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, although I'd be surprised if they executed an American citizen. I don't think there's a precedent for that. You'd probably just end up with a long jail sentence.

Ah, so capital punishment would most likely be a nigh impossibility? If caught by the locals, would lynching and public execution have a conducive precedent?

Yeah, I wouldn't fuck around with anyplace that has Sharia Law. It's not like they just kill you cleanly. They'll sentence you to thousands of public cane strokes, to be given regularly over a period of years. Then they'd probably send you home to die a broken person rather than actually execute you. If you die in your own country under your own doctors' watch, it's not a diplomatic emergency, you see.

On the "plus" side, Amnesty International would write a very nice form letter pleading for your release, to be e-mailed verbatim by a bunch of earnest idiots to people who can't read English.

Oh, public can't strokes? What is that?
I am curious, but why are they tentative to enforce Shariah Law to foreigners as well?

Also, what if one refuses to not commit blasphemy? Could that warrant execution down the road by privation and regulation of the news? Especially, if one lacks social or governmental status?

 

[well2hell]

Executing a US citizen would be a very risky geopolitical move anywhere in the world. Even countries where anti-American feelings run high (say Iran) would not dare do it because of the consequences it carries.

 

[Maudlin]

I honestly thought China just extradites Americans rather than executing them.

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=American+executed+china&ia=web

Granted, I don't see one for proselytizing specifically, but a bit more digging might be your bet.

Blasphemy law in Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'm sure a search including "Sharia" "Blasphemy" and the destination of choice would net you the results you're looking for.

Executing a US citizen would be a very risky geopolitical move anywhere in the world. Even countries where anti-American feelings run high (say Iran) would not dare do it because of the consequences it carries.

Lol. Lmao, even.

The State Department cares much less than the IRS. OH god... I can't
I'm still laughin'

I'd be surprised if they executed an American citizen. I don't think there's a precedent for that.

Just search "American executed" and the country of choice.

Don't use google. Pick a search engine that doesn't make its' money off hiding stuff from you (difficult, I know).

 

[well2hell]

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=American+executed+china&ia=web

This returns a few results — one person sentenced to death recently for murdering his girlfriend, another one for allegedly smuggling drugs.

This 2019 CNN article says: "China rarely executes Westerners. The last high-profile case was in 2009, when British national Akmal Shaikh was executed for carrying 4 kilograms (8.8 pounds) of heroin at Urumqi Airport."

Just search "American executed" and the country of choice.


Don't use google. Pick a search engine that doesn't make its' money off hiding stuff from you (difficult, I know).

None found on DuckDuckGo. The burden of proof is on the person making a claim — if you have credible sources, please bring them to OP's attention.

 

[Maudlin]

EDIT:

I did originally offer some ideas, but having now had a look through the OP's post history, they seem to be on the site solely for their own amusement, rather than submit sincere enquiries or attempt to make genuine contributions to the forum - basically, they're just taking the piss - not a good look.

really? oh. Oh yeah, I see what you're sayin'.

Well, this is a suicide forum, not necessarily a "seeking execution" forum. But, to each their own, no?
For some, it may be jumping without a parachute... for others, offending Islam. Or, the CCP.
It takes all types, to make the world go 'round.

This 2019 CNN article says: "China rarely executes Westerners. The last high-profile case was in 2009, when British national Akmal Shaikh was executed for carrying 4 kilograms (8.8 pounds) of heroin at Urumqi Airport."

Proselytize on the higher spiritual benefits of heroin use at Urumqi Airport? lol.

The burden of proof is on the one making a claim — if you have credible sources, please bring them to OP's attention.

I'm not here to prove anything to anybody.
I don't mind steering folks into directions they can take their research, though.
The duck has been failing me for a few months, now. It's still better than google, by far... especially for finding movies.
But, I miss the good old days before Klaus and his minions paid everybody to censer everybody else.
I think this one might be good... I'm still testing it out:

https://presearch.com/

interesting pertinent article.

Death sentence for apostasy in nearly a dozen countries, report says

Apostasy is punishable with death in nearly a dozen countries, according to a new report from Humanists International. The Freedom of Thought Report 2021 found that "apostasy" is punishable with death in at least ten countries; Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia,... Read More »

www.secularism.org.uk

 

[bluem00n]

really? oh. Oh yeah, I see what you're sayin'.

Well, this is a suicide forum, not necessarily a "seeking execution" forum. But, to each their own, no?
For some, it may be jumping without a parachute... for others, offending Islam. Or, the CCP.
It takes all types, to make the world go 'round.

Well, I'm just curious as to what the OP's purpose is, given that in his very first post on the site he stated "I am not thinking about it or anything as I am not suicidal" ...

And over the last (nearly) 18 months, he's then gone on to raise this same issue over and over again ...

June 2021 Is it possible to travel to a Middle Eastern or West Asia Country to be killed?
October 2021 Where can a American Christian go to be persecuted and martyred for their faith in the world without direct instigation?
October 2021 Thoughts on American Christian evangelism in Borno, Nigeria (Hope of Islamic state of Boko Haram)?
June 2022 Country with the highest possibility of martyrdom
November 2022 What country in the world is willing to give the death penalty for proselyting or blasphemy?

Given that he's not suicidal, and consequently wouldn't have even the slightest inclination to act on any of the advice he's received, I'm somewhat mystified as to why he's pursuing the topic at all, and why his threads consist of him systematically 'interviewing' people to elicit further information ....

As you say, it takes all types, nevertheless I find this activity quite peculiar!
Still, maybe Kay_Philosopher will enlighten me ...

 

[Maudlin]

Well, I'm just curious as to what the OP's purpose is, given that in his very first post on the site he stated "I am not thinking about it or anything as I am not suicidal" ...

And over the last (nearly) 18 months, he's then gone on to raise this same issue over and over again ...

June 2021 Is it possible to travel to a Middle Eastern or West Asia Country to be killed?
October 2021 Where can a American Christian go to be persecuted and martyred for their faith in the world without direct instigation?
October 2021 Thoughts on American Christian evangelism in Borno, Nigeria (Hope of Islamic state of Boko Haram)?
June 2022 Country with the highest possibility of martyrdom
November 2022 What country in the world is willing to give the death penalty for proselyting or blasphemy?

Given that he's not suicidal, and consequently wouldn't have even the slightest inclination to act on any of the advice he's received, I'm somewhat mystified as to why he's pursuing the topic at all, and why his threads consist of him systematically 'interviewing' people to elicit further information ....

As you say, it takes all types, nevertheless I find this activity quite peculiar!
Still, maybe Kay_Philosopher will enlighten me ...

I'm imagining someone with religious convictions wanting to die for their faith... instead of jumping off a bridge. But who knows? I'd like to be enlightened, too.

This could be a good story... and I need a good distraction. lol

 

[Kay_Philosopher]

Executing a US citizen would be a very risky geopolitical move anywhere in the world. Even countries where anti-American feelings run high (say Iran) would not dare do it because of the consequences it carries.

I see. So, this would only apply to Sharia Law judicial execution rather than public execution from the commonfolks?

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=American+executed+china&ia=web

Granted, I don't see one for proselytizing specifically, but a bit more digging might be your bet.

Blasphemy law in Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'm sure a search including "Sharia" "Blasphemy" and the destination of choice would net you the results you're looking for.


Lol. Lmao, even.

The State Department cares much less than the IRS. OH god... I can't
I'm still laughin'

Just search "American executed" and the country of choice.

Don't use google. Pick a search engine that doesn't make its' money off hiding stuff from you (difficult, I know).

Interesting. I will check out DuckduckGo.
Do you think the risk is still high in Sharia practicing countries or ones that are more decentralized links Afghanistan?

really? oh. Oh yeah, I see what you're sayin'.

Well, this is a suicide forum, not necessarily a "seeking execution" forum. But, to each their own, no?
For some, it may be jumping without a parachute... for others, offending Islam. Or, the CCP.
It takes all types, to make the world go 'round.

Proselytize on the higher spiritual benefits of heroin use at Urumqi Airport? lol.

I'm not here to prove anything to anybody.
I don't mind steering folks into directions they can take their research, though.
The duck has been failing me for a few months, now. It's still better than google, by far... especially for finding movies.
But, I miss the good old days before Klaus and his minions paid everybody to censer everybody else.
I think this one might be good... I'm still testing it out:

https://presearch.com/

interesting pertinent article.

Death sentence for apostasy in nearly a dozen countries, report says

Apostasy is punishable with death in nearly a dozen countries, according to a new report from Humanists International. The Freedom of Thought Report 2021 found that "apostasy" is punishable with death in at least ten countries; Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia,... Read More »

www.secularism.org.uk

Interesting. Thank you for the article.

 

[Sad_Sack]

They aren't going to execute a foreign citizen. Since this is a fairly outlandish topic to begin with I might as well say sail to Sentinel Island and approach the natives there. They killed a missionary there who landed to speak with them and are very hostile to anyone coming around their island. This is obviously not practical but neither is trying to be executed for blasphemy. Even if you went to ISIS and aggravated them with blasphemous talk you aren't guaranteed death. They might old you under horrible conditions for who knows how long, torture you, maybe just ignore you, who knows. I mean, nothing is practical about any of this.

 

[odradek]

 

[Maudlin]

Do you think the risk is still high in Sharia practicing countries or ones that are more decentralized links Afghanistan?

Syria, Afghanistan, South Sudan... Are you planning a trip, OP?

Interesting. Thank you for the article.

No problem. Care to explain your interest? or, do you prefer to leave everyone hanging (excuse the pun... lol)?

Also, what's your issue with the Sentinelese? Why don't they count?

Site where tribe buried slain American on remote island "more or less identified" by police

Police said that they have mapped the area where tribespeople were seen burying the body of an American adventurer and Christian missionary after allegedly killing him with arrows

www.cbsnews.com

It seems anything one would do there is likely to make international headlines.
Fill me in a little, please?

I promise I won't tell anybody.

 

[niiina]

If you want another person to yeet you, isn't it easier to maybe just provoke really hard a bunch of thugs in your own region? Idk steal the spoon of a methead and wait for it.
They may not kill you, but a foreigner country is waaay less likely to do the work for you. Save the trip, think locally.

 

[Maudlin]

I mean, nothing is practical about any of this.

Do you often visit suicide forums looking for practical people? lol.

I know, I know... I'm toxic.

I'm also on the edge of my seat, waiting for any clue to this mystery OP has presented us. Aren't you?

 

[Sad_Sack]

Do you often visit suicide forums looking for practical people? lol.

I know, I know... I'm toxic.

I'm also on the edge of my seat, waiting for any clue to this mystery OP has presented us. Aren't you?

Lol. Someone should create " The most outlandish ways to CTB megathread."

 

[Kay_Philosopher]

They aren't going to execute a foreign citizen. Since this is a fairly outlandish topic to begin with I might as well say sail to Sentinel Island and approach the natives there. They killed a missionary there who landed to speak with them and are very hostile to anyone coming around their island. This is obviously not practical but neither is trying to be executed for blasphemy. Even if you went to ISIS and aggravated them with blasphemous talk you aren't guaranteed death. They might old you under horrible conditions for who knows how long, torture you, maybe just ignore you, who knows. I mean, nothing is practical about any of this.

Apologies, I hope yu don't mind mine inquiry, but how why do you say it is an outlandish idea in a foreign "parlous" country that has blasphemy laws? Wouldn't foreigners be subjected to their laws on the land and interdictions?

The reason I didn't include Sentenial Island was because it is practically impossible to enter as an American or tourist, in general, compared to Middle Eastern, North African, and South Asian Islamic State countries.

Lastly, in what ways could you see this as being practical? Maybe having a mob lynch rather than expecting governmental state execution?
What about Pakistani government or the Taliban in Afghanistan?

Syria, Afghanistan, South Sudan... Are you planning a trip, OP?

No problem. Care to explain your interest? or, do you prefer to leave everyone hanging (excuse the pun... lol)?

Also, what's your issue with the Sentinelese? Why don't they count?

Site where tribe buried slain American on remote island "more or less identified" by police

Police said that they have mapped the area where tribespeople were seen burying the body of an American adventurer and Christian missionary after allegedly killing him with arrows

www.cbsnews.com

It seems anything one would do there is likely to make international headlines.
Fill me in a little, please?

I promise I won't tell anybody.

Honestly, I am just researching as of now to own for next year of venturing to one of these countries. I have heard that Afghanistan is opened for tourism with many Americans traveling there.

I explained above, but the Sentinel Islands are practically impossible to make an expedition towards. The other countries above seem much more practical.

If you want another person to yeet you, isn't it easier to maybe just provoke really hard a bunch of thugs in your own region? Idk steal the spoon of a methead and wait for it.
They may not kill you, but a foreigner country is waaay less likely to do the work for you. Save the trip, think locally.

Honestly, it is unfortunate, but the former is much more difficult, and I am from Chicago.

What about an Islamic State which practices Sharia Law that is applied to all people in the country?

Do you often visit suicide forums looking for practical people? lol.

I know, I know... I'm toxic.

I'm also on the edge of my seat, waiting for any clue to this mystery OP has presented us. Aren't you?

Oh, apologies, but what mystery are you referring to?

 

[Sad_Sack]

Apologies, I hope yu don't mind mine inquiry, but how why do you say it is an outlandish idea in a foreign "parlous" country that has blasphemy laws? Wouldn't foreigners be subjected to their laws on the land and interdictions?

The reason I didn't include Sentenial Island was because it is practically impossible to enter as an American or tourist, in general, compared to Middle Eastern, North African, and South Asian Islamic State countries.

Lastly, in what ways could you see this as being practical?

I think it is impractical for the following reasons.

Suicide is hard enough to succeed in even when you are directly trying to kill yourself. Traveling all the way around the world to then travel deep into Islamic countries looking for the right locals who would kill you for blasphemy is a huge task on its own. Top that off with there is no guarantee they would kill you anyway and you have a very impractical situation. A lone American showing up in a village somewhere carrying out blasphemous actions is going to seem pretty unusual to them and they would mostly likely suspect something odd was up and wouldn't just act out and lynch you. Also it just isn't accurate that every Muslim would want to kill someone for these reasons anyway. There are extremists for sure but its just not true that the majority are going to go into execution mode. Like i said, even if you find the right people you probably would be held and treated roughly but not killed. Most likely someone would contact some sort of authorities explaining the questionable behavior and you would be held and they would contact American authorities and have you sent home where you would be held for questioning and mental.health check. I'm not saying you are crazy either but your actions would definitely be extremely questionable to them for many reasons.

Can I ask if you are specifically looking to be martyred and this is why you are pursuing this path. I am absolutely not advocating for this but suicide by cop would be much more likely to succeed and you wouldn't even need to travel. Again though, do not do that. I'm sorry if you were insulted that I find this idea outlandish. I do find it as such but I'm sure you have personal reasons.

 

[Kay_Philosopher]

I think it is impractical for the following reasons.

Suicide is hard enough to succeed in even when you are directly trying to kill yourself. Traveling all the way around the world to then travel deep into Islamic countries looking for the right locals who would kill you for blasphemy is a huge task on its own. Top that off with there is no guarantee they would kill you anyway and you have a very impractical situation. A lone American showing up in a village somewhere carrying out blasphemous actions is going to seem pretty unusual to them and they would mostly likely suspect something odd was up and wouldn't just act out and lynch you. Also it just isn't accurate that every Muslim would want to kill someone for these reasons anyway. There are extremists for sure but its just not true that the majority are going to go into execution mode. Like i said, even if you find the right people you probably would be held and treated roughly but not killed. Most likely someone would contact some sort of authorities explaining the questionable behavior and you would be held and they would contact American authorities and have you sent home where you would be held for questioning and mental.health check. I'm not saying you are crazy either but your actions would definitely be extremely questionable to them for many reasons.

Can I ask if you are specifically looking to be martyred and this is why you are pursuing this path. I am absolutely not advocating for this but suicide by cop would be much more likely to succeed and you wouldn't even need to travel. Again though, do not do that. I'm sorry if you were insulted that I find this idea outlandish. I do find it as such but I'm sure you have personal reasons.

Can you help me formulate this progenitor idea into something more concrete and pragmatic?
What if going under the guise of a missionary by concomitantly using proselytizing and passing out blasphemy content like cartoon depictions in a remote, dark area in one of those countries? Think something like tracts That are motivated by proselytizing, yet, contain blasphemous content in it. That way it doesn't seem farfetched in an outlandish way that can instigate extradition from the government. Basically, systematically adjusting, adapting, and augmenting the approach to be as "natural" as possible while not stirring too much attention to warrant police involvement? What do you think?

I would rather be martyred as I am timorous of all other methods that I have thoroughly researched. It is better than committing by my own hand.

I am perplexed though. Won't execution technically be suicide by "cop" or "extremist"? I think the risks are higher domestically by committing oneself to "suicide by cop" than in an Islamic State with Shariah laws. The worst that can happen is most likely being extradited and sanctioned from entering for some penal time duration, right?

 

[Sad_Sack]

Can you help me formulate this progenitor idea into something more concrete and pragmatic?
What if going under the guise of a missionary by concomitantly using proselytizing and passing out blasphemy content like cartoon depictions in a remote, dark area in one of those countries? Think something like tracts That are motivated by proselytizing, yet, contain blasphemous content in it. That way it doesn't seem farfetched in an outlandish way that can instigate extradition from the government. Basically, systematically adjusting, adapting, and augmenting the approach to be as "natural" as possible while not stirring too much attention to warrant police involvement? What do you think?

I would rather be martyred as I am timorous of all other methods that I have thoroughly researched. It is better than committing by my own hand.

I am perplexed though. Won't execution technically be suicide by "cop" or "extremist"? I think the risks are higher domestically by committing oneself to "suicide by cop" than in an Islamic State with Shariah laws. The worst that can happen is most likely being extradited and sanctioned from entering for some penal time duration, right?

I get that you feel the likelihood of being killed by extremists is high if you go deep into Islamic territory but it's not as high as you think and no guarantee. They might not give two shits. They might hold you and abuse you badly but not kill you. If you were apprehended by an actual extremist group they might hold you for ransom like so many have been. They might have authorities take you into custody. You may be held for a little while or for years. Yoh may be treated well. You may not be treated well. You may be held for a long time by them and then turned over to American authorities and they might hold you for a long time to see what the hell you were up to. There are way to many possibilities here.

I have no idea how you would create an approach that seems natural. A lone American wandering around off the tracks passing out blasphemous content is not by any stretch of the imagination a natural situation. How do you figure a situation where you would create enough trouble to be killed over would be accomplished in a way that didn't "stir up attention." Your very presence would stir up attention let alone blasphemous behavior.

I wish you the best in whatever you decide to do. I am going to stay out if this topic now though.

 

[GoldenTicket420]

Countries that an AMERICAN can travel to that are are accessible, viable, and not entirely sanctioned by interdiction. So, NO NORTH KOREA, NORTH SENTINEL ISLANDS, RUSSIA, OR UKRAINE.
Countries that execute foreigners, travels, etc, for committing blasphemy or proselyting preferred.

yiu may not like being stoned to death! Much easier solutions out there. Plus, they may torture yiu for the fun of it. You may not deserve that!

 

[Kay_Philosopher]

I get that you feel the likelihood of being killed by extremists is high if you go deep into Islamic territory but it's not as high as you think and no guarantee. They might not give two shits. They might hold you and abuse you badly but not kill you. If you were apprehended by an actual extremist group they might hold you for ransom like so many have been. They might have authorities take you into custody. You may be held for a little while or for years. Yoh may be treated well. You may not be treated well. You may be held for a long time by them and then turned over to American authorities and they might hold you for a long time to see what the hell you were up to. There are way to many possibilities here.

I have no idea how you would create an approach that seems natural. A lone American wandering around off the tracks passing out blasphemous content is not by any stretch of the imagination a natural situation. How do you figure a situation where you would create enough trouble to be killed over would be accomplished in a way that didn't "stir up attention." Your very presence would stir up attention let alone blasphemous behavior.

I wish you the best in whatever you decide to do. I am going to stay out if this topic now though.

I am curious, but have you ever heard of Jack Chick Tracts? They are an Evangelical tracts that are focused on proselytizing with depictions of Muhammed while defacing Islam which I believe qualifies as blasphemy. What do you think of them? Do you think they can be a natural way to pass them out at night and canvassing with others? What about bringing a Quran and burning it since I've heard of radical groups lynching over matters such as these.
Yeah, there are many possibilities, but what is the maximum likelihood estimation that you can purport as possibly happening with these two distinct methods deep in an Islamic Terrority.
Thanks for the discussion, by the way.

yiu may not like being stoned to death! Much easier solutions out there. Plus, they may torture yiu for the fun of it. You may not deserve that!

Well - better than doing it by hand though, right?