What are your thoughts on suicide prevention?

[Zandra]

What do you guys think about suicide prevention? Do you think it is helpful? Could it be helpful if some changes were made? Or do you think that it serves no purpose?

 

[Sea Turtle]

I think it does serve a purpose but is not nearly sufficient to handle people who are chronically suicidal. For example, hotlines can save a "passion" suicide, but to others it's merely regurgitating the same things over and over again, that do not help. Therapy and medication can help some people with mental health issues, but not all. And I believe that suicide can be a rational choice that is not always hand in hand with depression, and what should be done? I believe the right to die should be legal for any consenting sound adult, and that it is cruel to not be. There are so many factors that go into such a decision and it is impossible for the "system" to truly address them. I strongly believe that every person should have true freedom and control over their life, though I sincerely wish better resources were available for those who sought them.

 

[FuneralCry]

I do not believe that it is helpful. We live in a society that does not respect our right to die and tries to force us to live. Stopping a suicide attempt is just prolonging that persons suffering, I believe that if someone wants to leave this world, then their wishes should be respected, it is their decision after all and nobody else has any say in it.

 

[Huntfish34]

For some I think it works, and others not so much. Everyone is different.

 

[notsure04]

it honestly makes me even more suicidal. if thats even possible. in my opinion they lack true understanding of the situation, they be parroting shit with no much depth ''seek help'' ; ''talk to someone''.

 

[Ednospatient]

Suicide prevention is extremely important IMO, because some impulsively decided deaths should absolutely be prevented.

 

[GentleJerk]

Told one of my best friends not long ago, because I want the people I love to be prepared and know that it will be a rational decision when it happens. I would rather kill myself than continue to live a life of chronic illness, and inadequate medical care. I'm not impulsive, or crazy. I will keep staying strong and putting up with all the frustration, discomfort and pain that I can- until the moment I've had enough, then I will kill myself and there's nothing anyone can say to stop me.

He seemed to understand at the time, but now he sends me shit like this pretending like it's just something that he came across accidentally and thought was cool - but I know what he's trying to do, it's not exactly subtle. His intentions are good and chances are if this was last year before I became suicidal and it was one of my friends talking about wanting to kill themself, I would probably do the same, but tbh it's annoying and slightly insulting.

But I just let it slide and say nothing. If you're rationally suicidal and people try preventing you from killing yourself, or they don't seem to get it, that is to be expected and it's perfectly understandable imo. Do your thing and let them do their thing, unless they are being dicks about it or infringing on your human rights.

 

[OldDrummer]

Generally they are ineffective, but even if they stop 1% from ctbing, then they're a good thing.

From being on here, I'd classify people as being either impulsive or calculated about their ctb intentions.

Such services can help the impulsive types, but a lot of us are much more calculated and long-term in our efforts.

 

[Zzzzz]

It causes more harm than good. The entire focus is wrong. It should be called misery prevention. Suffering prevention. Help people find happiness and they won't want to kill themselves. Locking them in a temporary cage is only necessary for those who do it impulsively and have not thought it through. But it's a temporary solution.

 

[Al Cappella]

Boy. Well, as it stands, I think it's broken and doesn't work. It would be sooo much more helpful if they had non-judgemental suicide consultation. The job there would be to determine whether intervention would be useful and appropriate.

You really want to be able to help those where illness has compromised the ability to make rational decisions. The law of averages holds that most suicidal thoughts are helped and resolved with appropriate treatment/medication.

If a disease is such that intervention won't result in reasonable enjoyment of life, then someone in that situation is helped to leave this earth.

But, as it stands now, prevention is a tad barbaric and heavy-handed—with little to no follow up…

 

[Euthanza]

Suicide prevention be like "I don't escape this life, so you must not either" mentality, see this link video of crab https://youtu.be/BdqwSDoMOdM

I think the word "prevention" should be eliminated in this regard and getting replaced by "assistance" in fundamental and technical essence.

We need real caring facilitation that serve human basic right TO CHOOSE, not to be lectured which way we must go by closing the peaceful and dignified option available so the only choice left is forced living ended with lonely suicide.

 

[befree]

Suicide prevention is the attempt to keep the slaves of this sick world alive. Nobody should have the right to decide about the life and death of a human being.

 

[DreamingOfAutumn]

My problem with suicide prevention is that it's anti-choice. If I could be fully honest with mental health services without being forced into a hospital, then I'd probably be more inclined to utilize them. However I'd be sent somewhere I don't want to be, forced to take medication which has proven to be completely useless for me in the past, and I'd probably have my quickest way to ctb taken away from me as well, forcing me to use a method which isn't as quick and which involves more suffering. That's without even getting into the ridiculous fee I'd be forced into paying for 'treatment' that I didn't want, with no insurance.

So basically the nature of mental health services makes it impossible for me to utilize them. Although more than anything else, I'd argue that taking away someone's capacity to choose what to do with their own life potentially results in more preventable suicides than if they did otherwise, because anybody who is more or less convinced that ctbing in the best course of action for them isn't going to tell a therapist or doctor about it.

 

[ornitier199]

It's actually called forced living.

And for bad reason; the kindergarten crap that bursts from their seams doesn't even try to fix the root problem. (for me)
Maybe if it stopped adding to bills, and aided in finances instead, it may merit something, but it does not. And its to the bills, increases the pain throw pseudo methods of forced living veiled behind "gets better'. I could list on for days before being done.
"You've both the garb of a jester and the wit of one, I could laugh at you for days before being done."
-Shantotto

 

[Bibotik470]

The idea of suicide prevention is spectacular and all, but in practice, it's nothing more than another way to punish people who are struggling with their will to live. Like many others have probably mentioned, if the resources for suicide prevention were improved upon with effective methods put in place to actually HELP people rather than force them to live, then suicide wouldn't be considered for those in emotional/mental agony. This site probably wouldn't exist either.

Maybe in other parts of the world, suicide prevention is much more prevalent in saving the lives of people making rash decisions concerning life. But with such taboo surrounding the topic of ending your life, people seem to push the pro-life narrative a little too forcefully. That's just my take on this, of course.

 

[Rogue Proxy]

The only suicide prevention I support is rejecting reproduction. When you prevent procreation, you prevent the inevitable death and suffering that always occurs from existence, including suicide.

 

[Euthanza]

Suicide prevention is extremely important IMO, because some impulsively decided deaths should absolutely be prevented.

Then they should have "IMPULSIVE FILTER" protocol, rather than talk bullshits to all of us.

They created suicide-mess when they block our way to proper end of life.

They also should teach children how to get attention in the right way as much as they should learn themselves that suicide can be rational IF ONLY they provide choices.

We are not the ones who put a gun on someone else's head to satisfy our own desire to live, we're not the ones who clap our hands or make sensational posts for likes and shits when someone jump of a skycraper. We simply want to die peacefully without harming others. Why are they treating us like we are suicide bomber that need to be stopped at all cost?

Fuck those crab-mentality-preventors

 

[Thequietone]

What do you guys think about suicide prevention? Do you think it is helpful? Could it be helpful if some changes were made? Or do you think that it serves no purpose?

I think there is way too much prevention. Like they force you to live and that it will for sure get better. But that is not the case. Even sick people with chronical pain have to beg to be allowed to die.

And also the methods, they push you with all restrictions to choose a painful death which involves others.

Meds are hard to get, no guns, tower walls to prevent you from jumping etc.

And you can't have some rational discussions about suicide without making an alarm to others. So they sent you to therapy or force you into psych ward.

 

[Hurt]

Maybe it's useful for impulsive acts but when you're thinking about it for many years I don't think it's useful. It's OK to give it a try.

 

[freevoid]

It causes more harm than good. The entire focus is wrong. It should be called misery prevention. Suffering prevention. Help people find happiness and they won't want to kill themselves. Locking them in a temporary cage is only necessary for those who do it impulsively and have not thought it through. But it's a temporary solution.

This here. This is perfectly worded, and shows you just how ass-backwards the approach and mentality is. Which leads to ironically, more suffering, when instead of a nice send-off with closure and maybe a farewell party and a peaceful death, people have to scrabble around in the shadows and the dark web and hide their intentions and shock their loved ones (if they even have any) with their "sudden" passing which has a higher chance of being traumatising and gruesome for both the person going and the people who find them.

Just, absolutely ass backwards.

 

[KiraLittleOwl]

"suicide prevention" cost me 250 USD in ambulance bill

 

[Sans]

My body, my choice. Others shouldn't be allowed to control what I do with my own body.

 

[Brianiskillingme]

They should let people decide what is best for them. Allow us to do what we want with our bodies. So suicide prevention for me is........go away and mind your own business.

 

[Arihman]

I think it's acceptable, and even desirable, when it is voluntary, focused on treating (when possible) the actual causes of suicidal ideation, and when the standards of the suicidal person are accepted, even if they appear ridiculous to other people. For instance (and this is NOT my case), if a man wants to kill himself because he knows there is no special girl out there who will complete him, hates the way intimate relationships work, and hates living in a world that can't meet that need, he should be free to get out of here, instead of being forced to either like it at all costs, accept it, or suffer forever because other people are fine with how things are and don't have that need.

And I say this as a VolCel, but even though I wouldn't kill myself for that reason, everyone his entitled to his/her standards for what a good life should be like, even if they appear to be stupid. We are not entitled to get what we want, but neither is the world entitled to our presence and participation.

But when suicide prevention is coercive, it's just cruel, it should be outlawed, and its advocates should be thrown in jail and treated as criminals.

 

[aquasaltstripes]

I think it has genuinely saved some people, in which case it can be a pretty good thing. But when it comes to, well, "the rest of us," not really, I suppose. There's just some people who have problems they can't 988 or mental-health-program away. I think in an ideal world it would be a "things that leads up to suicide"-prevention, but I guess you can argue the very thing that leads up to suicide is life itself, that life itself is the problem, etc. It's hard to describe.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

What do you guys think about suicide prevention? Do you think it is helpful? Could it be helpful if some changes were made? Or do you think that it serves no purpose?

Suicide prevention isn't help at all rather it's totally harmful to suicidal people in any case because it does not address the personal issues someone may have that leads to the decision to CTB. Besides that there are incurable health issues (physical/mental) and there are also people who just want to leave this world for their personal reasons.

SI will prevent most of the suicidal people anyway. Sucide prevention only causes more agony and suffering!

 

[Maravillosa]

The only suicide prevention I support is rejecting reproduction. When you prevent procreation, you prevent the inevitable death and suffering that always occurs from existence, including suicide.

Do you think people should not be sexually active? The only 100% sure way to prevent reproduction and procreation is by abstaining from sexual intercourse.

To answer @Zandra's original question, I am ambivalent about suicide prevention. Emailing the Samaritans has helped me, at least in the short term. I also believe there are people whom conventional suicide prevention services might help in the long term. However, many people — more than "ordinary" people might care to know or admit — have objectively poor lives (S**t Life Syndrome). If society is unwilling and/or unable to make the lives of those people worth living, then of course some people are going to end up ctb'ing.

 

[hdahsa]

Generally it is not helpful because as the name suggests, it's aim is to prevent suicide. If the aim changes to remove the cause of such thoughts and actions, then maybe it will prove to be more helpful. Providing an outlet for someone's feelings without judgement is also a good way to alleviate ctb thoughts for some time but ultimately one has to address the root cause of the pain.

 

[Sapphire]

The current suicide prevention isn't helpful for most people. It doesn't address the underlying reasons why people commit suicide or try to help people solve their problems so that they no longer feel like suicide is their best option. It's mainly focuses on setting up more suicide hotlines that people are told to call if they are suicidal. If you call and tell them you are suicidal, they will send the police to your house and have you thrown into the psych ward ( where they do nothing to help you). The underlying issues that cause suicide are rarely addressed so the current system is more harmful than helpful. In order to be helpful, they would have to try give practical help to each person individually based on what the underlying problem was for each person.

 

[PatKat]

What do you guys think about suicide prevention? Do you think it is helpful? Could it be helpful if some changes were made? Or do you think that it serves no purpose?

Hello its been a long time since I posted... I was actively trying to change myself for years and I ended up right back where I started. It does work but it's temporary. I'm still taking antipsychotics and an SSRI but I don't want to live. Life is still bullshit and I want out.