Discussion What are the best arguments against suicide that you know of?

[Seiba]

Your prefrontal cortex, which determines executive function, is not fully developed until you are 25. I believe this is why many people use 25 as a cutoff point in this context. But I think it's dumb to see it as the be-all-end-all age to determine whether it's "acceptable" to ctb. I wanted to kill myself at 20 and now at 26 I want to kill myself even more ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think it's rather dumb since the highest suicide rate in the united states is men in their forties. I don't see anyone making the argument that neuroplasticity lowering with age should result in suicide comparatively.

Too lazy to contribute otherwise to the question of the arguments, the original thread maker doesn't seem interested in the thread anyhow.

 

[The Disinherited]

I'm very curious to know what you mean by this, do you mean like the existence of hell?

I only mean you can't avoid inevitable or fated suffering and suicide might not be the end of the road. The suffering you think you're going to avoid via suicide comes right back at you in some afterlife till you've exhausted your prescribed amount of suffering. The positive part of me believes it's because you can't get to "heaven" without going through "hell" and all this existence shite works out for the best but my conditioning (past abuse and other factors conducive to awful mental health) certainly makes me feel otherwise namely that this is all for nothing.

 

[MrBlue]

I think maybe if there if there is evidence that the situation someone is in is a temporary one, ie they've had similar experiences in the past and recovered from them/found enjoyment in life again.
Though I think it's only up to that individual to gauge if they can bear to live long enough to see that recovery.

I've never been in a "recovered" state though, so it's not really applicable to me lol.

 

[Rob1984]

I mean, a lot of ppl do commit suicide over very temporary pain, and that in-itself is a pretty strong argument against ctb. A lot of suicides relating to teenagers can be argued "temporary problems." They've barely started their life. That's not to say teens don't experience real suffering, but they also focus very short term. There was a kid in my highschool who ctb because he didn't get into his dream college and he broke up with his gf at the same time. He did have other issues aside from those, but those 2 problems happening in the same week is what set him over the edge (literally). He was 17 years old and he had his entire life ahead of him... but now his four younger siblings and his parents/relatives/friends/etc. are all suffering terribly. He traded his short term suffering for a lifetime of suffering for ppl close to him. I am definitely pro-choice (hence me being on this site) but I really think some situations are pretty easy to argue against ctb. With all that being said, there are also some very strong arguments why ctb should be morally accepted but isn't... and those arguments (understandably) are a dime a dozen on this site :)

 

[Rezzienator]

There aren't any, as far as I know.

 

[KiraLittleOwl]

It might get better. At least that is what I consider a somewhat convincing argument for me personally although my hope is getting thinner and thinner.

 

[faex42]

I can only speak for myself. I admire those who left by CBT. I have for years. Why would I want to promote life if I don't know the other person very well? My mother was very pro-life until illness broke her spirit. I was amazed when she said, "I hate life." She's passed now. Her suffering is over. Had she died earlier it may have been better for her but it would have been harder for me, which would have been selfish on my part. As for me effective medication, MAOIs pulled me out of a dark hole after another. Had I not found this class of drugs, I could never have survived. I owe my stability to chemicals. I use Clonazepam to ward off my lifelong anxiety. but it doesn't impact my depression. Failure in life cuts deep. I was happier in my younger years but that's all gone now.

 

[cyanlove]

If someone believes that suicide would cause them to have an afterlife that they would value as worse than the remainder of their "current" life, then suicide is bad to them if their belief is correct/they believe their belief is correct (which they do, that's per definition).

This is my main fear with suicide.

 

[faex42]

This is easy. If you have any sort of intimate relationship with another person, be it friendship, familial, or romantic, you will cause them a sizeable emotional injury. I am pro-choice, but that also means being able to weigh in the implications of suicide.

It's a matter of how your own suffering measures up to the consequences of carrying the act out. I would assume that people that are less connected do it more frequently.

That was indeed the case in the past and caused me to postpone plans multiple times.

 

[Antigonish]

Your selfish... A coward.
Gotta take the easy way, while we fight to live.
Ungrateful terrible waste.
Imagine what you're doing to everyone else.
You need to seek help, everyone wants to live forever.
You need friends, you must be lonely
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Not really arguments. But kinda what I hear from peoples...