We're on the news (for the 999999th time)

[Versailles]

You bore me, is this more important than the cases of bureaucratic corruption that occurs both in your news program and in your government?

 

[DasDasDAS]

You bore me, is this more important than the cases of bureaucratic corruption that occurs both in your news program and in your government?

I find funny to see parents who probably killed their own sons/daughters by ruining their lives or were absent enough to be unable to save them looking for someone to blame. Do you really want to find someone to blame? I can help you! Just find yourself a mirror!

 

[Chinaski]

I find funny to see parents who probably killed their own sons/daughters by ruining their lives or were absent enough to be unable to save them looking for someone to blame. Do you really want to find someone to blame? I can help you! Just find yourself a mirror!

This is a bad post - there's an awful tendency on this forum to tell grieving parents that it's their fault their loved one died, that they are murderers by default, that they should hold themselves entirely responsible for their own grief, it's most unbecoming and people should give some thought to how this shit sounds before typing it out.

 

[Versailles]

I find funny to see parents who probably killed their own sons/daughters by ruining their lives or were absent enough to be unable to save them looking for someone to blame. Do you really want to find someone to blame? I can help you! Just find yourself a mirror!

Your comment is quite insensitive

 

[Depressed Cat]

The lies continue! No one on this site ever encourages anyone to take his/her own life. These media vermin want to shut this site down by hook or crook.

The journalist horde are aware of the 1st Amendment, I'm sure. Yet they want to stifle free speech in the crudest and meanest way possible.

I'm glad the founders and new operators of this forum have gone to great lengths to keep it up and running. I'm extremely grateful to them!

 

[Sherri]

This is a bad post - there's an awful tendency on this forum to tell grieving parents that it's their fault their loved one died, that they are murderers by default, that they should hold themselves entirely responsible for their own grief, it's most unbecoming and people should give some thought to how this shit sounds before typing it out.

its mentioned less about the parents, but some twitter users did went to fix the 26 and have said that, saying couldnt you read the signs thatb your son or daugher were in a bad place mentally? and things like it's easier to blame a site than to blame you, those posts stopped though didnt last much. They were not the right approach.

 

[motel rooms]

Look at me, I'm a-savin' billions of lives!






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[Versailles]

Look at me, I'm a-savin' billions of lives!


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Ostia, tio, pero que gran idea, joder, chaval

 

[Sherri]

Look at me, I'm a-savin' billions of lives!


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So many lines to choose from. And then you get an operator who couldn't be more bothered with anything you have to say. Been there done that. No thanks.

 

[Chinaski]

Whenever I hear parents talk about their kid committing suicide I'm always giving them the side eye. Youre telling me you couldn't see the signs? Someone driven to the point of killing themselves acts out in certain ways. They probably were the reason the kid committed suicide in the first place. Parents crying and grieving on camera could be emotionally or physically abusive behind closed doors.

Fucking hell, man.

 

[gottago222]

Whenever I hear parents talk about their kid committing suicide I'm always giving them the side eye. Youre telling me you couldn't see the signs? Someone driven to the point of killing themselves acts out in certain ways. They probably were the reason the kid committed suicide in the first place. Parents crying and grieving on camera could be emotionally or physically abusive behind closed doors.

stop assuming you talk like you were there have some decency
youre apart of the reason why this site looks bad

 

[theresonlyonewayout]

Everyone has to blame someone else these days, it winds me up - no one takes responsibility. The parents blame this site, this site blames the parents blah blah blah. In the meantime absolutely piss all gets done to 'help' those suffering. You know actual tangible help - not just sectioning or platitudes.

The ambulance passes you to the A&E. The A&E pass you to the MH. The MH pass you to Samaritans/crisis teams etc etc etc. Meanwhile - nothing changes but everyone feels better because they 'saved a suicidal person'. Argh!! It makes me so angry.

 

[little helpers]

Whenever I hear parents talk about their kid committing suicide I'm always giving them the side eye. Youre telling me you couldn't see the signs? Someone driven to the point of killing themselves acts out in certain ways. They probably were the reason the kid committed suicide in the first place. Parents crying and grieving on camera could be emotionally or physically abusive behind closed doors.

first of all I have to say that do be the case sometimes. abuse goes under the radar a lot. I was in that place myself. and I'm pretty sure my folks are gonna be like that. I seen it happen once already. motherfucker got hysterical while she's at least half the reason how I got into a bad place.

but that's also a huge assumption. made about everyone whose child died by suicide. loving, caring parents. cuz people can be closed off sometimes. adolescents especially.

basically think about this. a lot of us on SS, parent(s) are still alive or we are in contact with our families in some ways. some people here genuinely had good parent(s) growing up. it hurts them to think about the impact of their own suicide to their family, if they choose to do so one day. it is in the same way they understand it's not necessarily the parent(s)' fault. actually many want their folks to know it's *not* their fault, if you've seen the suicide note discussions here at one point.

we need society to come together as a whole. it is this way for eliminating abuse (or at least to make up for the damage done) too.

 

[Amumu]

Everyone has to blame someone else these days, it winds me up - no one takes responsibility. The parents blame this site, this site blames the parents blah blah blah. In the meantime absolutely piss all gets done to 'help' those suffering. You know actual tangible help - not just sectioning or platitudes.

Some people, even if they're in a minority here, don't even want to get help. I'm one of them. I don't care about having friends or a gf. I don't care about having a better society. I don't care about having more money. I just don't like life in itself, and I don't even understand why most people take it seriously.

 

[Gsvko]

Whenever I hear parents talk about their kid committing suicide I'm always giving them the side eye. Youre telling me you couldn't see the signs? Someone driven to the point of killing themselves acts out in certain ways. They probably were the reason the kid committed suicide in the first place. Parents crying and grieving on camera could be emotionally or physically abusive behind closed doors.

I've also had a phase of blaming my parents for my mental health issues. But it's really not their fault, they also didn't chose to be how they are and I believe a lot of parents do their best. If I was in my parents' shoes with their beliefs and the ways they were raised, I'd probably be just the same. I've never wanted children, but in a different environment who knows how I'd turn out. I also see many people from very abusive homes go on to overcome their traumas and have a great life, so it's probably my genetics as well. Bad fucking luck. Am I gonna blame my grandparents then, or my greatgrandparents or the big bang?
I'm sure nobody's perfect and we've all sometimes hurt other people. Imagine if someone you've hurt but love killed themselves. And you were told it's your fault. And you didn't even have bad intentions, you believe you've done the best you could.
It's just not that simple, it's not fair, nobody's perfect. It's very easy to blame someone for not giving us what we've expected. But what can you do about it, life just hurts and sucks often. It can't all be put onto two people who grew up in the same sucky world.

I do like hearing different opinions, like yours. This is just mine.

Uf so long.

 

[little helpers]

Some people, even if they're in a minority here, don't even want to get help. I'm one of them. I don't care about having friends or a gf. I don't care about having a better society. I don't care about having more money. I just don't like life in itself, and I don't even understand why most people take it seriously.

the short answer is, for those we care about. other people. I'm fucking done. but I wish there's not gonna be one more person like me. when interpersonal, social traumas are clearly preventable through change.

 

[theresonlyonewayout]

Some people, even if they're in a minority here, don't even want to get help. I'm one of them. I don't care about having friends or a gf. I don't care about having a better society. I don't care about having more money. I just don't like life in itself, and I don't even understand why most people take it seriously.

Yeah I get that but some people do. Regardless of what my preferences are, I try to consider all avenues.

 

[Nightmare Painting]

They should title it "Why a society with nothing to offer but indifference and cruelty pushes people to suicide"

Look at me, I'm a-savin' billions of lives!

You've earned yourself a billion brownie points with that phone number!

 

[Somber]

Maybe if suicide hotlines would give useful advice about harm reduction when CTB they would proof more appealing as an option, but they pretty much advertise themselves as a means to dissuade you from doing what needs to be done.

They might prove useful for some though and I don't think it's easy to work at one without getting depressed yourself.

As for being in the news, it's thanks to a news article (NYT I believe) that I found this forum. No such thing as bad publicity I guess. Though I do hope the server is somewhere safe.

 

[RainAndSadness]

I'm gonna spare you some time and compile this cringy-worthy interview into one single image. You're welcome.

 

[Nightmare Painting]

Everyone has to blame someone else these days, it winds me up - no one takes responsibility. The parents blame this site, this site blames the parents blah blah blah. In the meantime absolutely piss all gets done to 'help' those suffering. You know actual tangible help - not just sectioning or platitudes.

The ambulance passes you to the A&E. The A&E pass you to the MH. The MH pass you to Samaritans/crisis teams etc etc etc. Meanwhile - nothing changes but everyone feels better because they 'saved a suicidal person'. Argh!! It makes me so angry.

Imagine giving suicidal people basic housing & income, free healthcare, and respecting their wish to die with no red tape involved. Maybe the suicide rate will stop increasing exponentially after doing those things?

Nah, instead lets give them a phone number that offers empty words and if they try to kill themselves we can subject them to imprisonment and cruelty that'll add to their problems and make them even more suicidal. As a bonus we can censor humane suicide methods so people can live the rest of their lives in perpetual suffering or disable themselves by using a inhumane method! I'm such a altruistic, kind, and wonderful human being for "preventing" suicide!

 

[DasDasDAS]

This is a bad post - there's an awful tendency on this forum to tell grieving parents that it's their fault their loved one died, that they are murderers by default, that they should hold themselves entirely responsible for their own grief, it's most unbecoming and people should give some thought to how this shit sounds before typing it out.

I now see that it was insensitive, I'm taking that back. Sorry.
I just felt that I had to get it out but I would not want to hear that if I were a parent who just lost a loved one.

 

[Versailles]

This is a bad post - there's an awful tendency on this forum to tell grieving parents that it's their fault their loved one died, that they are murderers by default, that they should hold themselves entirely responsible for their own grief, it's most unbecoming and people should give some thought to how this shit sounds before typing it out.

Exactly, this occurs from the premise that suicide is a tragedy, rather than a personal choice, no one should be blamed for someone else's suicide, parents are only humans, not wizards, and they can hardly make their children fall for it. open to them freely because they feel their suicidal ideations as abnormal feelings

 

[xLosthopex]

I saw someone share this Desmond Tutu quote the other day and I think it's really relevant to this subject.

Pointing fingers and directing the blame towards this site is easier than actually addressing the root causes and reasons why so many people make this choice.

Why do people all of a sudden care about suicidal people once they've actually died but won't listen to us while we're still alive?

 

[Grey-zoner]

I've also had a phase of blaming my parents for my mental health issues. But it's really not their fault, they also didn't chose to be how they are and I believe a lot of parents do their best. If I was in my parents' shoes with their beliefs and the ways they were raised, I'd probably be just the same. I've never wanted children, but in a different environment who knows how I'd turn out. I also see many people from very abusive homes go on to overcome their traumas and have a great life, so it's probably my genetics as well. Bad fucking luck. Am I gonna blame my grandparents then, or my greatgrandparents or the big bang?
I'm sure nobody's perfect and we've all sometimes hurt other people. Imagine if someone you've hurt but love killed themselves. And you were told it's your fault. And you didn't even have bad intentions, you believe you've done the best you could.
It's just not that simple, it's not fair, nobody's perfect. It's very easy to blame someone for not giving us what we've expected. But what can you do about it, life just hurts and sucks often. It can't all be put onto two people who grew up in the same sucky world.

I do like hearing different opinions, like yours. This is just mine.

Uf so long.

I don't sympathize too much with the parents, but find myself having to temper my own hatred of mine once I realize that if free will is mostly or entirely an illusion, then the "choice" my parents made wasn't much of one at all, and "blame" makes no sense in that context. I wouldn't say my parents did a good job raising me, but if I'd had a fitter mind than I probably wouldn't have had most of the problems I did, the suicidal ideation, social anxiety, angst, etc. etc... Of course, realizing the badness of life has led me to conclude that not becoming a parent is the kindest option, but for most of us posting here that's not really such a difficult position to reach, since we've either had poor relationships, or no sex and romance at all.
That PBS video was from a month ago. I think there's been more recent coverage; there's going to be a congressional committee discussing this forum in February. I hope we're prepared for options once the blowback comes, whether a public protest (I would participate!), or more reasonably, alternative forums if this one gets taken down. The normal folks will never understand why this place exists.

Congress will investigate website parents say encourages suicide

SAN ANTONIO – A suicide website the News 4 Trouble Shooters exposed last year has finally reached the attention of Congress, which is now organizing a federal investigation. (Warning: this story could be disturbing or even triggering for some readers. ) In February 2021, the Trouble Shooters put...

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[Fragile]

I just found some exclusive footage of corporate news exploiting tragic suicides for their own benefit.

 

[Pen>Sword]

This video is bullshit. I know what I signed up for when I registered. I want a peaceful end. That's it. Why don't I have the right to access to a website that let's me have an informed decision? Do they prefer me having a botched attempt that leads me to have a permanent brain damage?

I'd like to add that no one here has implicitly or explicitly encouraged me to kill myself. They make it sound like it's a rampant problem here, which isn't.

 

[Eternal_Distancing]

You bore me, is this more important than the cases of bureaucratic corruption that occurs both in your news program and in your government?

Can't help but wonder if these journalists genuinely want to help people that visit ss or are they fishing for a pulitzer so they can gain notoriety before they write their next best-seller.

 

[waitingforrest]

Can't help but wonder if these journalists genuinely want to help people that visit ss or are they fishing for a pulitzer so they can gain notoriety before they write their next best-seller.

"10/10: very compelling article with LOT'S of nuance!" -random pro-lifer

"9/10: well thought out article, but could have used more bashing of suicidal people." -ss bad

"10/10: A compelling read for my kids at bedtime! Would definitely recommend ." -This is sarcasm

 

[Lost Magic]

If today's society wasn't so messed up none of us would even be on a suicide forum in the first place. Why don't these journalists get to the roots of the problems instead of trying to bash a place that is offering real support for people who feel like they have no place left to vent their true feelings? Remember that journalist, Christine Chubbuck, who killed herself live on tv? She did so because she was trying to make a statement about how a lot of news channels just want sensationalist viewing instead of real down to earth reporting. Dr Jack Kevorkian also had to do a lengthy prison sentence in order to fight against a court system that criminalised peoples rights to a peaceful death while they were terminally ill. Now they are attacking a site that gives people a voice to express themselves? No wonder we are messed up. They are part of the problem, not the solution.