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This issue has been bothering me the past year I need to hear a range of perspectives. Honestly I just wish I was someone else and not me anymore. My former friend lashed out against me so angrily and I never seen anyone snap. It was comments I made in a casual conservation I had with her

My former friend is a vitcim of child sexual abuse( CSA) and has had every single relationship as abusive and has been raped by boyfriends before. Her first sexual experience was as a result of the CSA she suffered. She suffers from extreme trauma as her childhood was just abuse and being failed by the system. She grew up with abusive parents.

I am the complete opposite of my former friend because I am an adult virgin and never had a boyfriend
at 25 years old. This is distorts how I see myself as a woman, my feminity, my maturity etc. I do feel like an outsider amoung women my age because the majority of women my age had their first sexual experiences as teenagers. I see my adult virginity as symbol of my own immaturity and insecurity of my own feminity.

One day we were having a casual private conversation among ourselves I just said the vast majority of women will never understand how it feels like to go through your ENTIRE life never being wanted by a man and always being be rejected and overlooked by men your entire life. She disagreed then I then said she doesn't understand a lifetime of male rejection, never being desired and always being ignored by men because she has had boyfriends throughout her life. She got really mad at me, lashed out me, attacked me for having a privileged upbringing in life and said how how I was so offensive

She brought up her rapes she experienced, being choked etc. She absolutely hates me. She even went on social media to complain about me and publicly mocked and humiliated me for so being sheltered in life.

Help me understand I just need to hear some perspectives as I am so confused. I apologised but she absolutely hates me so much. It was never my intention to hurt anyone. I wish I didn't see the world and myself the way I do.
 
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sadly i can understand both sides, and they both make sense.
first as someone thats been on this side of the fence
never being wanted by a man
being wanted isnt always good. being wanted in a negative way, like she has been, hurts really deep inside. because wrong love is all youre shown.
youre looking for a more positive experience, and not having that does hurt. but personally, being negatively wanted hurts and makes you reject your body, yourself. it causes a lot of trauma
I see my adult virginity as symbol of my own immaturity and insecurity of my own feminity.
also while i dont feel i can answer on the second thing because im not you, i will tell you that sex doesnt have anything to do with maturity. it has to do with the decisions you make and how you grow as a person :heart: example, one would probably say that i was mature for basically raising my brother when i was 11-16, but i wasnt having sex.
 
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I don't think you said anything wrong, and you're right to believe that "normal" people can't understand what it's like to never be desired. That is a deeply painful thing to experience and live with. I've also seen how people get condescending and strangely hostile toward others who, for whatever reason, haven't had success in relationships. It's like they take personal offense by it. Maybe she felt you were trying to diminish her trauma by describing your pain of being alone, which isn't really fair or rational.
 
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It sounds like what you said triggered her, but you both have your unique perspectives and valid feelings.
 
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She may have been triggered, but bashing you publicly is not a mature, reasoned thing to do. I agree that being a virgin at your age doesn't have to reflect on you and you don't per anyone an explanation as to why it is the way it is.
 
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I don't know exactly how you said it, but just knowing your side so far it sounds like she couldn't take a moment to not be the center of attention. You have personal isolation that this woman can't comprehend and she proved you right by getting offended by her own incomprehension.

I'm a woman who has lived in both worlds of being desired to being starkly rejected due to facial scarring. From my experience I would say that you're right, this girl has no idea. I've been raped too and I still agree with you. I don't understand why she brought it up, like to say at least you've never been raped? Sick of her if that's the sentiment she was bringing into the conversation. She completely and immaturely dismissed your plight.

The only pass I'd give her is that she's so heavily wounded by her past experiences with violence that she can't be there for you. She has her own pain and unfortunately it overpowered her ability to listen and allow you to also be heard. Blasting you on social media hints to me she's either really unstable or something harsher was said than presented here.

I will also add as someone who grew up in poverty and a hellishly abusive home, we can get quite dismissive of others pain if they grew up comfortable. I admit I act that way sometimes too, it's the immature pain olympics. I would forgive yourself for this conversation, she's heavily wounded.
 
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When two people have vastly different experiences, it can be very hard for the other party to empathise and understand an issue that is very different from their own.

I think she probably misconstrued what you were saying as painting her abuse as a good thing, got triggered as a result of this, and then couldn't hold back her anger causing her to lash out. This wasn't your intention at all, to make light of her abuse, but it seems like that's what she extrapolated from your comment.

I'm not sure if there's a way to repair that relationship if she's now publically slandering you. Ideally you would've gotten a chance to explain that wasn't your intention at all to hurt her, but I don't know if she'd hear it once the wound is already there.

I can understand why both of you are hurt. I've been in the position of your friend, only ever wanted because I was vunerable and easy to take advantage of. When men wanted me, they usually had ulterior motives, and things got abusive very quickly. I didn't have "real sex" until I was properly an adult too, because I was so traumatized from being molested. Even when I did do it, sex has never been that enjoyable for me, and never will be.

As others have said, there's a certain despair to being "loved wrong." Still, loneliness is incredibly painful too. I've accepted that I'm never going to have some fairytale romance and will always be unwanted. So I sympathise quite a lot with you, and understand that the pain from being perpetually isolated does cut deep. Not being desired by other men or women does make a person feel unfeminine, it goes against the standard of how women are meant to present and be regarded, and it does hurt a lot. Many others take for granted what they have in life, and don't truly understand that some people do have no one that they can rely on.

Having the background of your friend, coming from an abusive family, the CSA, abusive partners.. I get why she feels hurt (as people with this kind of background often get told to be grateful for xyz, or at least we had this and that) and it almost becomes an instinctive response to get defensive when you feel someone might invalidate you. But your intention wasn't to minimise her pain. It was simply to point out that you two can't really understand the others situations, because she's not going to be able to relate to your problems. Likewise you aren't going to know what it's like to be inside her mind either.

Communication is really hard. Honestly, it's better to talk about these issues with people who have been through similar situations. Someone with a vastly different background and environment can't relate to you on a deeper level about certain things, it's a faulty feature of our buggy subjective consciousness.
 
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Sounds like she was an undercover piece of work the entire time you were 'friends'. She couldn't even recognize your pain, she had to make it about her own suffering instead of just admitting that she has been wanted and you haven't.
 
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Sadly, even here- conversations about our experiences of trauma quite often end in 'competitions' as to who has had it worse.

Both your experiences are valid and create suffering. Yet, I imagine in her mind- your friend may well wish she had had your life rather than hers. (Not to say your life is 'better' but I wonder if a victim of rape and consecutive abusive relationships might see it that way.)

I'm certain that you weren't implying that you would be 'happy' to accept just any relationship- even an abusive one- yet, I expect her views may well be so (understandably) tainted, that maybe she simply can't fathom why anyone would want a relationship now. It clearly is a very sensitive subject for her and it clearly triggered her.

Not to say that's your 'fault' either- with close friends, it's nice to feel like we can talk about anything that troubles us and receive a sympathetic ear. Sadly though, it isn't always the case. Sometimes our perspectives on things are very different, so we might not always be able to feign sympathy or even understanding for something we don't quite understand- or perhaps even see as a kind of 'blessing'.

If I had the choice of celibacy or rape/ abuse- I'd go with celibacy. I know it's not as black and white as that but perhaps that's more along the lines of your friends perspective if ALL of her relationships have been bad.

That's not to excuse her behaviour though. Becoming angry isn't good and further shaming on social media is very bad.

Not that it's likely to help you but for context, I am a 42 year old virgin. Never been in any kind of relationship. At one time, it did upset me but now, I realise I'm likely better off this way. Not to say things WILL get better for you- I don't know but- just for context- I have been through some of the emotions you describe.
 
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As someone who can relate to all of your friend's traumas, I can't say if your comments were offensive or not because I don't know how they were worded. From your previous posts this seems to be a recurring problem though, so it might be better to try and find women who are in the same situation as you instead of repeating the same kind of scenario with people who have had completely different experiences to you.
 
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It sounds like what you said triggered her, but you both have your unique perspectives and valid feelings.
@heretical nebula Actually rescently I have been asking women who are rape vitcims on why she was so offended and lashed out against me. I am trying to understand

Two women rape vitcims have told me the content my comments did cause her to be triggered even though I never intended to. They explained trauma is very complex in how sn individual reacts and perceives things.
As someone who can relate to all of your friend's traumas, I can't say if your comments were offensive or not because I don't know how they were worded. From your previous posts this seems to be a recurring problem though, so it might be better to try and find women who are in the same situation as you instead of repeating the same kind of scenario with people who have had completely different experiences to you.
@Nemo Here is what I said our discord conservation I had with my friend. We were both discussing our relationship experiences. I am open online about the fact never having a boyfriend distorts how I see myself as a woman, my feminity, my maturity in so many ways. I feel so different from all the other women.

• Never having a relationship I feel like "an outsider" amoung women my age group because "the majority" of women my age group had boyfriends as teens. "When women talk about their relationships, dating, look fondly of their first love etc I can not relate that and women can not relate to me either." "The majority of women do not understand how painful it is to go through your life never being wanted, desired, loving a man while he is too busy focusing on the other attractive women in the room while ignoring your existence as a human being. No offence but you had a boyfriend. "

Then she lost it and lashed out. She called me offensive and said she is tired of my sh*t. She even said " my man beats me, chokes me and you say I do not understand."

In the real world I just pretend to be happy, stable and everyone believes it whereas on the online world I am more open about my feelings such as anoxeria and loneliness. I am so open, raw and honest about my feelings in a way I could not in the real world.

Nobody in the real world knows I am depressed. People let me down in the real world so I discovered the online world as an escape from reality and a place to purely open up about my own insecurities.

My friend was an online friend who I had a bond with until she stopped talking to me.

After she lashed out against me she then publicly humiliated on social media telling her feminist followers online and leaked our private discussions on discord. She publicy mocked me which hurt a lot. Her online legion of feminist friends were even defending her humiliating me and endorsed her behaviour.
I don't know exactly how you said it, but just knowing your side so far it sounds like she couldn't take a moment to not be the center of attention. You have personal isolation that this woman can't comprehend and she proved you right by getting offended by her own incomprehension.

I'm a woman who has lived in both worlds of being desired to being starkly rejected due to facial scarring. From my experience I would say that you're right, this girl has no idea. I've been raped too and I still agree with you. I don't understand why she brought it up, like to say at least you've never been raped? Sick of her if that's the sentiment she was bringing into the conversation. She completely and immaturely dismissed your plight.

The only pass I'd give her is that she's so heavily wounded by her past experiences with violence that she can't be there for you. She has her own pain and unfortunately it overpowered her ability to listen and allow you to also be heard. Blasting you on social media hints to me she's either really unstable or something harsher was said than presented here.

I will also add as someone who grew up in poverty and a hellishly abusive home, we can get quite dismissive of others pain if they grew up comfortable. I admit I act that way sometimes too, it's the immature pain olympics. I would forgive yourself for this conversation, she's heavily wounded.
@SaturnReturn Here is what I said our discord conservation I had with my friend. We were both discussing our relationship experiences.

• Never having a relationship I feel like "an outsider" amoung women my age group because "the majority" of women my age group had boyfriends as teens. "When women talk about their relationships, dating, look fondly of their first love etc I can not relate that and women can not relate to me either." "The majority of women do not understand how painful it is to go through your life never being wanted, desired, loving a man while he is too busy focusing on the other attractive women in the room while ignoring your existence as a human being. No offence but you had a boyfriend. "

Then she lost it and lashed out. She called me offensive and said she is tired of my sh*t. She even said " my man beats me, chokes me and you say I do not understand."

She then blocked me on discord and went then went on another social media platform she belongs to leaking our private discussions on discord to her feminist friends.

These were her social media comments she made about me:

"She's so unbelievably sheltered that the worst problems of her life was teenage boys being teenage boys in highschool."

"She wants these Disney version of men that do NOT exist."

"Like I was telling this girl that I was raped, robbed, abused by every man I've been involved with and she has the fucking audacity to say "I don't understand how it feels to never have male validation you had a boyfriend"

"Highschool was shit but the real world is worse it's the real fucking world. She still lives with her parents it sounds like and she is pretty wealthy."

I apologised but she absolutely hates me. She hates for me having a privileged background than hers.
 
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She may have been triggered, but bashing you publicly is not a mature, reasoned thing to do. I agree that being a virgin at your age doesn't have to reflect on you and you don't per anyone an explanation as to why it is the way it is.
@LaVieEnRose Her public humiliation of me on social media was even more painful than her lashing out of me. I did apologise to her.

These were her social media comments she made about me:

"She's so unbelievably sheltered that the worst problems of her life was teenage boys being teenage boys in highschool."

"She wants these Disney version of men that do NOT exist."

"Like I was telling this girl that I was raped, robbed, abused by every man I've been involved with and she has the fucking audacity to say "I don't understand how it feels to never have male validation you had a boyfriend"

"Highschool was shit but the real world is worse it's the real fucking world. She still lives with her parents it sounds like and she is pretty wealthy."

Her feminist friends were finding it hilarious. I was not even angry at her but just disappointed she made public a private conservation on initmate matters. I understand her being upset with me but that was not information for her to leak publicly. I did publicly confront her saying i was upset at what she did but she didn't say anything at all she let her feminists friends to do talking for her. The feminists on social media were defending her behaviour and criticised me.

She privately messaged me and just made fun of me even more. She both vitcim and villian. I never met a human being so spiteful.
 
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I hope better friends come into your life.

She could've just said yea, I've had male attention but I've faced a lot of violence in relationships and I want to put that out there too. It's tough to not have truly loving bonds on either side, but it's different experiences. A sense of alienation is impactful, and direct trauma from partners is too. What kind of friend lashes out on someone opening up about their lonliness and insecurities? It's pretty harsh pushback, especially if you didn't know every last man this girl was with did that.
 
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honestly that sounds like the 'friendship' has deteriorated past salvaging, as others have suggested. i don't know what else i can add, lots of solid perspectives here already, but i'll put my 2c and prolly ramble to much lol. sometimes people, especially online, interact with others for less than scrupulous reasons. maybe they just want a ear to lean on, maybe they want someone to feel 'above', maybe they are outright seeking someone they can mock thereby taking the focus off their own crap. not always that way but ur situation sounds like it got pretty toxic fast. that girl may just be self-absorbed and unable to sympathize with you going thru a different sort of trauma than her own, while you might've said what you did in an effort to reciprocate confidence and relate to the person. lashing out publicly isn't okay tho, and since it's gotten to that point, causing you more distress, it'd be a choice of self-care to cut ties imo.
my own experience with relationships.... started dating around 15y/o and pretty much been seeing someone ever since. some healthy relationships, but some horribly, at times violently abusive ones as well. also some things that i didn't really view as predatory when i was younger and in retrospect that definitely fkd me up. i've experienced assault, choking, permanent physical disfigurement and who knows how deep the mental shit goes. i'm sure tired of dealing with it. pretty much lost interest in sex completely, it became more of an obligation, my sole worth in life, and not enjoyable... not sure how much i ever did enjoy anyways. it's fkn scarring, yeah. it's an inescapable fact of the life i've lived thus far, a hard fact of my identity. but does that mean what you experienced isn't hard, no. what you describe is your own unique struggle and must certainly be hard in its own right. i'm not really the stereotypically 'pretty girl', but i've attracted a lot of the wrong attention. i don't resent someone who hasn't been thru what i have, as neither situation is easy to deal with. it's just two very opposite stories, as most in this 🧵have said. trauma is relative, and not a competition. seems your 'friend' isn't aware of that tidbit. i am truly sorry for the pain you have, and the way you've been unfairly treated in life 🫂
 
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I think you both were hurt in different ways by your life experiences, and your point of view seems valid to me, but somehow it upset her, I think because she thought you weren't sensitive enough to her pain and you thought she wasn't sensitive enough to your pain. At some point maybe send a message saying sorry I didn't mean to cause her any harm and that if you'd like to try to be friends again if you would like to, and that you really care about her- at least you'll know you tried. I think she is projecting some of the pain of the rapes onto you so this may not work, but at least you tried. I really don't think you did anything wrong honestly, sometimes you don't know what will trigger someone. I hope you can find a good friend to replace her.
 
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When two people have vastly different experiences, it can be very hard for the other party to empathise and understand an issue that is very different from their own.

I think she probably misconstrued what you were saying as painting her abuse as a good thing, got triggered as a result of this, and then couldn't hold back her anger causing her to lash out. This wasn't your intention at all, to make light of her abuse, but it seems like that's what she extrapolated from your comment.

I'm not sure if there's a way to repair that relationship if she's now publically slandering you. Ideally you would've gotten a chance to explain that wasn't your intention at all to hurt her, but I don't know if she'd hear it once the wound is already there.

I can understand why both of you are hurt. I've been in the position of your friend, only ever wanted because I was vunerable and easy to take advantage of. When men wanted me, they usually had ulterior motives, and things got abusive very quickly. I didn't have "real sex" until I was properly an adult too, because I was so traumatized from being molested. Even when I did do it, sex has never been that enjoyable for me, and never will be.

As others have said, there's a certain despair to being "loved wrong." Still, loneliness is incredibly painful too. I've accepted that I'm never going to have some fairytale romance and will always be unwanted. So I sympathise quite a lot with you, and understand that the pain from being perpetually isolated does cut deep. Not being desired by other men or women does make a person feel unfeminine, it goes against the standard of how women are meant to present and be regarded, and it does hurt a lot. Many others take for granted what they have in life, and don't truly understand that some people do have no one that they can rely on.

Having the background of your friend, coming from an abusive family, the CSA, abusive partners.. I get why she feels hurt (as people with this kind of background often get told to be grateful for xyz, or at least we had this and that) and it almost becomes an instinctive response to get defensive when you feel someone might invalidate you. But your intention wasn't to minimise her pain. It was simply to point out that you two can't really understand the others situations, because she's not going to be able to relate to your problems. Likewise you aren't going to know what it's like to be inside her mind either.

Communication is really hard. Honestly, it's better to talk about these issues with people who have been through similar situations. Someone with a vastly different background and environment can't relate to you on a deeper level about certain things, it's a faulty feature of our buggy subjective consciousness.
@KuriGohan&Kamehameha Thank you for your reply and very insightful to read. I been questioning myself a lot of why did she lash out and what was the offensive sentence that caused her to lash out against me. It was NEVER my intention to cause offence and hurt.

Rescently I have been asking women who are rape vitcims on why she was so offended and lashed out against me. I wanted to hear their perspective.

Two women rape vitcims have told me the content my comments did cause her to be triggered even though I never intended to. They explained trauma is very complex in how an individual reacts and perceives things.

My friendship with my friend is completely over because she not only lashed against me she then cut communications with me and she proceeds to make fun of me on social media. She made fun of me for being upset over my experiences of male rejection and told her feminist followers on social media that I am "sheltered" and wanted a " Disney princess Boyfriend." She kept attacking my privileged upbringing and even criticised me for living with my mother. Her mother is abusive her as result had to move away.

Her friends on social media liked her posts and condoned her behaviour even when I confronted her about how her posts hurt me and making public a private conservation amoung ourselves. Her friends were even defending her actions. She didn't care about how I upset I was and she just taunted me even more.

I feel more betrayed and disappointed in her behaviour .
 
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This issue has been bothering me the past year I need to hear a range of perspectives. Honestly I just wish I was someone else and not me anymore. My former friend lashed out against me so angrily and I never seen anyone snap. It was comments I made in a casual conservation I had with her

My former friend is a vitcim of child sexual abuse( CSA) and has had every single relationship as abusive and has been raped by boyfriends before. Her first sexual experience was as a result of the CSA she suffered. She suffers from extreme trauma as her childhood was just abuse and being failed by the system. She grew up with abusive parents.

I am the complete opposite of my former friend because I am an adult virgin and never had a boyfriend
at 25 years old. This is distorts how I see myself as a woman, my feminity, my maturity etc. I do feel like an outsider amoung women my age because the majority of women my age had their first sexual experiences as teenagers. I see my adult virginity as symbol of my own immaturity and insecurity of my own feminity.

One day we were having a casual private conversation among ourselves I just said the vast majority of women will never understand how it feels like to go through your ENTIRE life never being wanted by a man and always being be rejected and overlooked by men your entire life. She disagreed then I then said she doesn't understand a lifetime of male rejection, never being desired and always being ignored by men because she has had boyfriends throughout her life. She got really mad at me, lashed out me, attacked me for having a privileged upbringing in life and said how how I was so offensive

She brought up her rapes she experienced, being choked etc. She absolutely hates me. She even went on social media to complain about me and publicly mocked and humiliated me for so being sheltered in life.

Help me understand I just need to hear some perspectives as I am so confused. I apologised but she absolutely hates me so much. It was never my intention to hurt anyone. I wish I didn't see the world and myself the way I do.
I obviously didn't hear the original conversation but from what you've written here you said nothing wrong. You didn't bring up her being raped right? I understand that she must be really sensitive to the issue but you didn't say anything wrong. My wife had been abused as a child and raped as a teen and she now wears no make up nor dresses up at all because she hates the idea of attracting attention to herself. It can really hang over a person but honestly I don't know why your friend couldn't be sensitive to your issue. Does your friend still date? If so why can't she see that this would also be important for you? Im sorry you had to deal with this.
This issue has been bothering me the past year I need to hear a range of perspectives. Honestly I just wish I was someone else and not me anymore. My former friend lashed out against me so angrily and I never seen anyone snap. It was comments I made in a casual conservation I had with her

My former friend is a vitcim of child sexual abuse( CSA) and has had every single relationship as abusive and has been raped by boyfriends before. Her first sexual experience was as a result of the CSA she suffered. She suffers from extreme trauma as her childhood was just abuse and being failed by the system. She grew up with abusive parents.

I am the complete opposite of my former friend because I am an adult virgin and never had a boyfriend
at 25 years old. This is distorts how I see myself as a woman, my feminity, my maturity etc. I do feel like an outsider amoung women my age because the majority of women my age had their first sexual experiences as teenagers. I see my adult virginity as symbol of my own immaturity and insecurity of my own feminity.

One day we were having a casual private conversation among ourselves I just said the vast majority of women will never understand how it feels like to go through your ENTIRE life never being wanted by a man and always being be rejected and overlooked by men your entire life. She disagreed then I then said she doesn't understand a lifetime of male rejection, never being desired and always being ignored by men because she has had boyfriends throughout her life. She got really mad at me, lashed out me, attacked me for having a privileged upbringing in life and said how how I was so offensive

She brought up her rapes she experienced, being choked etc. She absolutely hates me. She even went on social media to complain about me and publicly mocked and humiliated me for so being sheltered in life.

Help me understand I just need to hear some perspectives as I am so confused. I apologised but she absolutely hates me so much. It was never my intention to hurt anyone. I wish I didn't see the world and myself the way I do.
I obviously didn't hear the original conversation but from what you've written here you said nothing wrong. You didn't bring up her being raped right? I understand that she must be really sensitive to the issue but you didn't say anything wrong. My wife had been abused as a child and raped as a teen and she now wears no make up nor dresses up at all because she hates the idea of attracting attention to herself. It can really hang over a person but honestly I don't know why your friend couldn't be sensitive to your issue. Does your friend still date? If so why can't she see that this would also be important for you? Im sorry you ha
@KuriGohan&Kamehameha Thank you for your reply and very insightful to read. I been questioning myself a lot of why did she lash out and what was the offensive sentence that caused her to lash out against me. It was NEVER my intention to cause offence and hurt.

Rescently I have been asking women who are rape vitcims on why she was so offended and lashed out against me. I wanted to hear their perspective.

Two women rape vitcims have told me the content my comments did cause her to be triggered even though I never intended to. They explained trauma is very complex in how an individual reacts and perceives things.

My friendship with my friend is completely over because she not only lashed against me she then cut communications with me and she proceeds to make fun of me on social media. She made fun of me for being upset over my experiences of male rejection and told her feminist followers on social media that I am "sheltered" and wanted a " Disney princess Boyfriend." She kept attacking my privileged upbringing and even criticised me for living with my mother. Her mother is abusive her as result had to move away.

Her friends on social media liked her posts and condoned her behaviour even when I confronted her about how her posts hurt me and making public a private conservation amoung ourselves. Her friends were even defending her actions. She didn't care about how I upset I was and she just taunted me even more.

I feel more betrayed and disappointed in her behaviour .
So after reading this your friend sounds like a real bully and lousy person. Some of this may come from her past traumas for sure but it doesn't excuse the behavior. Nobody deserves to be abused and raped but her behavior is garbage none the less. Just let her spin her wheels and don't even try and contact her anymore. She stinks.
This issue has been bothering me the past year I need to hear a range of perspectives. Honestly I just wish I was someone else and not me anymore. My former friend lashed out against me so angrily and I never seen anyone snap. It was comments I made in a casual conservation I had with her

My former friend is a vitcim of child sexual abuse( CSA) and has had every single relationship as abusive and has been raped by boyfriends before. Her first sexual experience was as a result of the CSA she suffered. She suffers from extreme trauma as her childhood was just abuse and being failed by the system. She grew up with abusive parents.

I am the complete opposite of my former friend because I am an adult virgin and never had a boyfriend
at 25 years old. This is distorts how I see myself as a woman, my feminity, my maturity etc. I do feel like an outsider amoung women my age because the majority of women my age had their first sexual experiences as teenagers. I see my adult virginity as symbol of my own immaturity and insecurity of my own feminity.

One day we were having a casual private conversation among ourselves I just said the vast majority of women will never understand how it feels like to go through your ENTIRE life never being wanted by a man and always being be rejected and overlooked by men your entire life. She disagreed then I then said she doesn't understand a lifetime of male rejection, never being desired and always being ignored by men because she has had boyfriends throughout her life. She got really mad at me, lashed out me, attacked me for having a privileged upbringing in life and said how how I was so offensive

She brought up her rapes she experienced, being choked etc. She absolutely hates me. She even went on social media to complain about me and publicly mocked and humiliated me for so being sheltered in life.

Help me understand I just need to hear some perspectives as I am so confused. I apologised but she absolutely hates me so much. It was never my intention to hurt anyone. I wish I didn't see the world and myself the way I do.
I obviously didn't hear the original conversation but from what you've written here you said nothing wrong. You didn't bring up her being raped right? I understand that she must be really sensitive to the issue but you didn't say anything wrong. My wife had been abused as a child and raped as a teen and she now wears no make up nor dresses up at all because she hates the idea of attracting attention to herself. It can really hang over a person but honestly I don't know why your friend couldn't be sensitive to your issue. Does your friend still date? If so why can't she see that this would also be important for you? Im sorry you ha
@KuriGohan&Kamehameha Thank you for your reply and very insightful to read. I been questioning myself a lot of why did she lash out and what was the offensive sentence that caused her to lash out against me. It was NEVER my intention to cause offence and hurt.

Rescently I have been asking women who are rape vitcims on why she was so offended and lashed out against me. I wanted to hear their perspective.

Two women rape vitcims have told me the content my comments did cause her to be triggered even though I never intended to. They explained trauma is very complex in how an individual reacts and perceives things.

My friendship with my friend is completely over because she not only lashed against me she then cut communications with me and she proceeds to make fun of me on social media. She made fun of me for being upset over my experiences of male rejection and told her feminist followers on social media that I am "sheltered" and wanted a " Disney princess Boyfriend." She kept attacking my privileged upbringing and even criticised me for living with my mother. Her mother is abusive her as result had to move away.

Her friends on social media liked her posts and condoned her behaviour even when I confronted her about how her posts hurt me and making public a private conservation amoung ourselves. Her friends were even defending her actions. She didn't care about how I upset I was and she just taunted me even more.

I feel more betrayed and disappointed in her behaviour .
So after reading this your friend sounds like a real bully and lousy person. Some of this may come from her past traumas for sure but it doesn't excuse the behavior. Nobody deserves to be abused and raped but her behavior is garbage none the less. Just let her spin her wheels and don't even try and contact her anymore. She stinks.
 
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I obviously didn't hear the original conversation but from what you've written here you said nothing wrong. You didn't bring up her being raped right? I understand that she must be really sensitive to the issue but you didn't say anything wrong. My wife had been abused as a child and raped as a teen and she now wears no make up nor dresses up at all because she hates the idea of attracting attention to herself. It can really hang over a person but honestly I don't know why your friend couldn't be sensitive to your issue. Does your friend still date? If so why can't she see that this would also be important for you? Im sorry you had to deal with this.

I obviously didn't hear the original conversation but from what you've written here you said nothing wrong. You didn't bring up her being raped right? I understand that she must be really sensitive to the issue but you didn't say anything wrong. My wife had been abused as a child and raped as a teen and she now wears no make up nor dresses up at all because she hates the idea of attracting attention to herself. It can really hang over a person but honestly I don't know why your friend couldn't be sensitive to your issue. Does your friend still date? If so why can't she see that this would also be important for you? Im sorry you ha

So after reading this your friend sounds like a real bully and lousy person. Some of this may come from her past traumas for sure but it doesn't excuse the behavior. Nobody deserves to be abused and raped but her behavior is garbage none the less. Just let her spin her wheels and don't even try and contact her anymore. She stinks.

I obviously didn't hear the original conversation but from what you've written here you said nothing wrong. You didn't bring up her being raped right? I understand that she must be really sensitive to the issue but you didn't say anything wrong. My wife had been abused as a child and raped as a teen and she now wears no make up nor dresses up at all because she hates the idea of attracting attention to herself. It can really hang over a person but honestly I don't know why your friend couldn't be sensitive to your issue. Does your friend still date? If so why can't she see that this would also be important for you? Im sorry you ha

So after reading this your friend sounds like a real bully and lousy person. Some of this may come from her past traumas for sure but it doesn't excuse the behavior. Nobody deserves to be abused and raped but her behavior is garbage none the less. Just let her spin her wheels and don't even try and contact her anymore. She stinks.
@Sad_Sack I am so sorry what happened to your wife. Rape and child sex abuse is the worst crime a human being can commit. I have been asking rape victims on whether the my comments were offensive. I have been told that even though I never intended to cause offence something within my comments triggered her and trauma is complex. Rape vitcims have also told me her actions of her publicly humiliating me on social media was just wrong

Oh don't worry I publicly exposed her for the hypocritical piece of sh*t she actually and it felt soooo good. I was diplomatic as possible I outlined how she hurt me and then I threw the final insult at her. There was absolutely no way I am I going to let her humiliate me online and violate my privacy while playing the vitcim.

My former friend is a 26 year old who is still in to emo scence subculture and dresses like it. She is open about it.

I wrote " You had the audacity to call me a "high schooler" on discord before you blocked and making Disney jokes about me but you yourself are a 26 year old scene emo girl. I am a year younger than you and you preach to me about maturity when you are the complete opposite of maturity.

She said nothing and let her feminist friends were doing the talking for her. She is a coward. I am glad I spoke up.
I think you both were hurt in different ways by your life experiences, and your point of view seems valid to me, but somehow it upset her, I think because she thought you weren't sensitive enough to her pain and you thought she wasn't sensitive enough to your pain. At some point maybe send a message saying sorry I didn't mean to cause her any harm and that if you'd like to try to be friends again if you would like to, and that you really care about her- at least you'll know you tried. I think she is projecting some of the pain of the rapes onto you so this may not work, but at least you tried. I really don't think you did anything wrong honestly, sometimes you don't know what will trigger someone. I hope you can find a good friend to replace her.
@Someone123 She blocked me on discord then went on her social media to publicly humiliate me.

Oh don't worry I publicly exposed her for the hypocritical piece of sh*t she actually is and it felt soooo good. I was diplomatic as possible I outlined how she hurt me and then I threw the final insult at her. There was absolutely no way I am I going to let her humiliate me online and violate my privacy while playing the vitcim.

My former friend is a 26 year old who is still in to emo scence subculture and dresses like it. She is open about it.

I wrote " You had the audacity to call me a "high schooler" on discord before you blocked and making Disney jokes about me but you yourself are a 26 year old scene emo girl. I am a year younger than you and you preach to me about maturity when you are the complete opposite of maturity. "

She said nothing and let her feminist friends were do the talking for her. She is a coward. I am glad I spoke up. There is no justification for ever violating another person's privacy.
 
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honestly that sounds like the 'friendship' has deteriorated past salvaging, as others have suggested. i don't know what else i can add, lots of solid perspectives here already, but i'll put my 2c and prolly ramble to much lol. sometimes people, especially online, interact with others for less than scrupulous reasons. maybe they just want a ear to lean on, maybe they want someone to feel 'above', maybe they are outright seeking someone they can mock thereby taking the focus off their own crap. not always that way but ur situation sounds like it got pretty toxic fast. that girl may just be self-absorbed and unable to sympathize with you going thru a different sort of trauma than her own, while you might've said what you did in an effort to reciprocate confidence and relate to the person. lashing out publicly isn't okay tho, and since it's gotten to that point, causing you more distress, it'd be a choice of self-care to cut ties imo.
my own experience with relationships.... started dating around 15y/o and pretty much been seeing someone ever since. some healthy relationships, but some horribly, at times violently abusive ones as well. also some things that i didn't really view as predatory when i was younger and in retrospect that definitely fkd me up. i've experienced assault, choking, permanent physical disfigurement and who knows how deep the mental shit goes. i'm sure tired of dealing with it. pretty much lost interest in sex completely, it became more of an obligation, my sole worth in life, and not enjoyable... not sure how much i ever did enjoy anyways. it's fkn scarring, yeah. it's an inescapable fact of the life i've lived thus far, a hard fact of my identity. but does that mean what you experienced isn't hard, no. what you describe is your own unique struggle and must certainly be hard in its own right. i'm not really the stereotypically 'pretty girl', but i've attracted a lot of the wrong attention. i don't resent someone who hasn't been thru what i have, as neither situation is easy to deal with. it's just two very opposite stories, as most in this 🧵have said. trauma is relative, and not a competition. seems your 'friend' isn't aware of that tidbit. i am truly sorry for the pain you have, and the way you've been unfairly treated in life 🫂
@leeloosnow virtual hug 🫂 🤗

I have been asking rape victims if my comments were offensive and majority of them pretty much said that even though I never intended to cause offence she found something within my comments that triggered her. I have a lovely older feminist friend in her late 60s who I am in regular contact with she herself is a vitcim of child sexual abuse and I asked her where my comments really offensive.

She gave the most beautiful reply ever. It is quite detailed:

" She is acting very hurt. She is taking it very personal, because she has so much unprocessed wounding. It took me about ten years of crying and storming about it and everybody who would listen and it's very compelling to be the victim of rape. So common, we have great sympathy for each other. What is really hurtful in rape is that our innocence is taken. She may not even be able to articulate how it feels to her that hers was stolen and you are bemoaning yours, just hits her core wound over this."

"I felt really odd inside as a young woman because I had SO MuCH sexual hidden experience.. We all want to be like others. And, your desire for fulfillment as a woman is what makes the world go around. It is so natural for you to want to merge with a loving mate, and have your family. That is really a powerful and strong and natural desire and a good one."

"I think you just touched too strong a nerve in her and she can't help herself but recoil in pain and then to lash out at you in protective blame"

As for my former I didn't let her get away with her behaviour. I don't tolerate bullsh* t and hypocrisy so I publicy exposed my former friend for the hypocrite she really is.

I was diplomatic as possible I outlined how she hurt me and then I threw the final insult at her. There was absolutely no way I am I going to let her humiliate me online and violate my privacy while playing the vitcim.

My former friend is a 26 year old who is still in to emo scence subculture and dresses like it. She is open about it.

I wrote the following post public for all to see " You had the audacity to call me a "high schooler" on discord before you blocked me and making Disney jokes about me but you yourself are a 26 year old scene emo girl. I am a year younger than you and you preach to me about maturity when you are the complete opposite of maturity. "

She said nothing and hide like an coward and just let her feminist friends do the talking for her. One of her feminist friends said " you need to leave her alone." I responded by asking " how would you feel if you had a private conservation with someone and then leaked all your conversations in public,"

The feminist who defended her could even answer my question

I am glad I spoke up. There is no justification for ever violating another person's privacy. I was not going to let her publicly humiliate me online and use my insecurities for public gossip and entertainment.
 
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Hey, uh, so it sounds like she is CURRENTLY in a severely abusive relationship?
Not like this is a past trauma but like SHE IS IN SEVERE DANGER RIGHT NOW.

Not that you did anything wrong by talking about being lonely and unrelateable. But if someone's currently right now in an urgently physically dangerous situation - they are probably not going to focus on a lot of other social/emotional things outside of that.
 
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I feel very sorry for you, but she is on this forum .
If yes , don 't write her nickname ,
 
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In all my close relationships...family and close friends, I make it clear from the start that the most important thin for me is honesty. I will be honest with them and they can expect the same from me.
Often the truth is quite ugly and can be painful, but it shows respect because it shows you don't assume them to be so stupid as to believe whatever nonsense you cook up that's convenient. There have been plenty of times I've had to remind them "I'm sorry if it hurts, but I just want to be completely honest with you" and there have been times that I have needed reminding.
Similarly, if it's someone I have allowed into my "close circle" of people I trust, they need to know that whatever I say is not intended to be hurtful. WE all say tactless things occasionally and they have the right to tell you that what you said was hurtful and you to apologise. The adult response is to talk through it, but let's face it, we all behave childishly at times.
I think social media is a blight on society...but that's my personal opinion. I would like to say I hope your friend can see past her pain and realise your true intentions given time, but maybe it's gone beyond that.
I'm sorry. You didn't intend to hurt her. Like a child doesn't intend to drop their ice cream. But it happened. :kiss:
 
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I feel very sorry for you, but she is on this forum .
If yes , don 't write her nickname ,
@Andry387 nope they are not on this site. Don't worry. I met them on another social media group. I have not even mentioned her name at all.
Hey, uh, so it sounds like she is CURRENTLY in a severely abusive relationship?
Not like this is a past trauma but like SHE IS IN SEVERE DANGER RIGHT NOW.

Not that you did anything wrong by talking about being lonely and unrelateable. But if someone's currently right now in an urgently physically dangerous situation - they are probably not going to focus on a lot of other social/emotional things outside of that.
@noaccount I am just upset she violated my privacy and made my most initmate secrets and insecurities social media gossip.
She did not even care about the hurt she caused me when I confronted her. She kept attacking my privileged upbringing which I found so disturbing as i never judged her social background.

Loads of women are violent relationships but they do not go around humiliating other women.
 
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Yeah. Look. It doesn't sound like you did anything wrong or offensive.

It DOES sound like there is someone PHYSICALLY THREATENING HER LIFE RIGHT NOW.
 
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Yeah. Look. It doesn't sound like you did anything wrong or offensive.

It DOES sound like there is someone PHYSICALLY THREATENING HER LIFE RIGHT NOW.
@noaccount I feel bad for and all these problems she has but I feel so betrayed by her public humiliation of me. I was so open with her in a way I never been with anyone else. Told her things I never told anyone.

I feel so violated and exposed because of what she did. She does not even care how much she has hurt me.
 
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I understand and completely agree with you, never did you mean Any harm.... just simply speaking your mind at the time.

I do it often myself and get into those situations which Shouldn't Even happen. Makes me sick to my fucking stomach.

Thoughts and prayers to you in whatever may happen, you are Not alone. ❣️
 
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This issue has been bothering me the past year I need to hear a range of perspectives. Honestly I just wish I was someone else and not me anymore. My former friend lashed out against me so angrily and I never seen anyone snap. It was comments I made in a casual conservation I had with her

My former friend is a vitcim of child sexual abuse( CSA) and has had every single relationship as abusive and has been raped by boyfriends before. Her first sexual experience was as a result of the CSA she suffered. She suffers from extreme trauma as her childhood was just abuse and being failed by the system. She grew up with abusive parents.

I am the complete opposite of my former friend because I am an adult virgin and never had a boyfriend
at 25 years old. This is distorts how I see myself as a woman, my feminity, my maturity etc. I do feel like an outsider amoung women my age because the majority of women my age had their first sexual experiences as teenagers. I see my adult virginity as symbol of my own immaturity and insecurity of my own feminity.

One day we were having a casual private conversation among ourselves I just said the vast majority of women will never understand how it feels like to go through your ENTIRE life never being wanted by a man and always being be rejected and overlooked by men your entire life. She disagreed then I then said she doesn't understand a lifetime of male rejection, never being desired and always being ignored by men because she has had boyfriends throughout her life. She got really mad at me, lashed out me, attacked me for having a privileged upbringing in life and said how how I was so offensive

She brought up her rapes she experienced, being choked etc. She absolutely hates me. She even went on social media to complain about me and publicly mocked and humiliated me for so being sheltered in life.

Help me understand I just need to hear some perspectives as I am so confused. I apologised but she absolutely hates me so much. It was never my intention to hurt anyone. I wish I didn't see the world and myself the way I do.
You both share that you have not been loved or accepted in a positive, nurturing way.
Neither of you learned self nurturing and that is extremely difficult.
It's not a completion of who had the worst or loneliest experience.
Consider writing her about what you share and not "who has it worse."
 
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This issue has been bothering me the past year I need to hear a range of perspectives. Honestly I just wish I was someone else and not me anymore. My former friend lashed out against me so angrily and I never seen anyone snap. It was comments I made in a casual conservation I had with her

My former friend is a vitcim of child sexual abuse( CSA) and has had every single relationship as abusive and has been raped by boyfriends before. Her first sexual experience was as a result of the CSA she suffered. She suffers from extreme trauma as her childhood was just abuse and being failed by the system. She grew up with abusive parents.

I am the complete opposite of my former friend because I am an adult virgin and never had a boyfriend
at 25 years old. This is distorts how I see myself as a woman, my feminity, my maturity etc. I do feel like an outsider amoung women my age because the majority of women my age had their first sexual experiences as teenagers. I see my adult virginity as symbol of my own immaturity and insecurity of my own feminity.

One day we were having a casual private conversation among ourselves I just said the vast majority of women will never understand how it feels like to go through your ENTIRE life never being wanted by a man and always being be rejected and overlooked by men your entire life. She disagreed then I then said she doesn't understand a lifetime of male rejection, never being desired and always being ignored by men because she has had boyfriends throughout her life. She got really mad at me, lashed out me, attacked me for having a privileged upbringing in life and said how how I was so offensive

She brought up her rapes she experienced, being choked etc. She absolutely hates me. She even went on social media to complain about me and publicly mocked and humiliated me for so being sheltered in life.

Help me understand I just need to hear some perspectives as I am so confused. I apologised but she absolutely hates me so much. It was never my intention to hurt anyone. I wish I didn't see the world and myself the way I do.
It sounds like you know quite a lot about her and that she has felt more than comfortable opening up to you and others and using you as a support system.
You merely wanted a fraction of the same and she lost it on you because she incorrectly interpreted your own trauma and negative experiences as invalidating her own, when you merely brought up the fact that she has had several relationships that indicate male attention/validation as a female and you have not.

Regardless of her other experiences, it's true that she cannot understand what you've been through as much as you may not be able to understand what she has been through.
The difference is that you didn't seem to take all of her opening up to you as a slight or an attack on the fact that you have been without something that comes so easily to her, whereas she had a total knee-jerk out of proportion reaction to your gripe..and then went on to publicize it and rally the forces on social media to humiliate you and compound the trauma and alienation you opened up to her about.

CSA (and the list of things she brought up) is nothing to scoff at, but it doesn't mean your own struggles are either.
And she immediately dismissed them before you then went on to bring up why she may have done that.
So she opened that door.
If she had been supportive and tried to see things from your perspective from the beginning, you likely would not have had to point out where her initial disagreement may be stemming from.
Your statement was far from inaccurate, after all.
Also, having boyfriends is a willing action.
The abuse wasn't, but at one point she did reciprocate and thus respond to the attention and interest she was getting from her future partners, and I gather that this is ultimately what you were referring to.

People are not going to like what I have to say next, but CSA in particular is something that attains almost universal sympathy from strangers and friends alike. Even more so than other types of assault (both sexual or even physical maiming , etc).
The answer as to why is simple: it's a sexual crime against a child.
The only people who don't lend it such sympathy, are usually those inside a family unit when they are either responsible for what happened or feel too much guilt or discomfort to let the victim speak about it to them, or even assert it in the first place.
Seeking outside validation for what they went through is common.
The reactions they find elsewhere and the outpouring of empathy emboldens victims who would otherwise feel shame about the situation to eventually air their grievances many times over, because let's be real here..anybody who dismisses a CSA victim will always be seen as an asshole.
Often times, even if the past victim is an asshole themselves (which is certainly possible, hell, many perpetrators were also victims as well unfortunately).
To a point, this opening up can be good for the victim and not at all harmful to their audience or those around them.
It can even help other sufferers feel less alone or alert people on the signs to look out for.
Other times..it leads to something more malignant.

Not all victims do the following..obviously (some never even come forward), and there is usually a secondary pattern of attributes at play with those that do this, but their trauma can eventually be used as a shield against criticism.
What happens is that they feel that so long as people know what happened to them, they will be less likely to get pushback for anything they do or say..even if unrelated to the topic.
They may even feel justified in this manipulation because of what happened to them.
Some are a little more aware of how they're utilizing their own trauma than others, but no matter what..it can get messy and it can lead to unpleasant and toxic interactions with other people they cross paths with, even those who willingly get close to them.
It's not the only type of trauma that leads to this behavior (many other socially sympathetic traumas do) but it is one of the most rampant and difficult types to defuse, because those around the individual find it so very hard to tell them to cut the shit. Else they become 'the worst person to walk the earth' and get blasted on social media as well, or behind the scenes.
Your friend having the other experiences to throw back in your face on top of it, doesn't help matters.

Her bringing up her rapes and being choked have nothing to do with what you were feeling so upset about to try to bring it up in a conversation with someone who is meant to be a friend.
Plenty of people who never receive any normal or initial validation from the sex they're interested in, have been raped.
Plenty have been choked.
And so on.
The inverse is also true.
Plenty of other people who receive attention and ease into relationships, have not had these abuses occur.
She seems to be incorrectly conflating desirability with other events that have happened to her, in order to downplay her own advantages and obfuscate your disadvantage, and this is very common of those who are lucky or privileged in the dating and/or looks department.
I see it happen all the time.
It's a double whammy when the person also has or claims trauma of some sort that was relational or sexual in nature.
She is only accusing you of being "privileged" because she is projecting back to you what she is trying to deny about herself, which your comment undoubtedly and inevitably insinuates.
She is probably used to being the one on the receiving end of both sympathy and the spot light, so you upending at least one of those in order to speak on your own woes may be too much for her to handle apparently.
She may have started to identify too much with her own trauma and so the whole house of cards came crashing down.
She is not able or willing to separate certain things that make up her own history, in order to honor the fact that other people on the opposite side of the spectrum can suffer severely too.

And that is really what she doesn't seem to appreciate, respect or care about..that you are suffering dearly too,
We know this because she decided to make a mockery out of your suffering, entering public humiliation into the equation..and from the sounds of it, spinning things to the beat of her own narrative.
That is unacceptable.
She has become a facilitator of bullying and trauma herself now, and there is no excuse.

Sorry to say, but if it were me, this would be grounds for the friendship ending for good and I would cut her off after telling her how wrong she was in choosing the course of action that she did.
She has no grounds to "hate" you for a disparity or difference in what pains you and she clearly is not able to empathize with you, thus proving your initial point.
I don't care what anybody else says, this is massively disgusting and juvenile behavior on her part.
I think the guilt you feel about this is misplaced, but I understand why contributing circumstances may have cornered you into the concern that you are somehow the bad guy.
 
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No unless you said it as a response to her talking about her rapes, it is her who lacked compassion for you. You were not saying you wanted forceful sexual attention, you expressed your traumas around not having positive attention.

Okay reading more of the context and you saying "no offence but you had a boyfriend" about her abusive boyfriend, I completely understand her lashing out.