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It is only for people who are suffering and have six months to live but it's a start. Times are changing but they're changing slow. But this will contribute to assisted dying's normalisation and a culture of acceptance for it. The law will most likely begin to be enforced in the summer.
 
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The bill passing is essentially good news for terminally ill patients who face an agonising and prolonged demise however "we" have not won anything and muh governments are never going to legislate in favour of enabling doctors to whimsically kill us on request, it would be to everyone's benefit if literally everyone on this website comes to terms with this absolute fact asap imo
 
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I nearly spat my coffee out when i saw the news. I probably wont benefit yet but it opens new doors but im thinking of the many poor souls who suffer awfully with disease.
 
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and muh governments are never going to legislate in favour of enabling doctors to whimsically kill us on request, it would be to everyone's benefit if literally everyone on this website comes to terms with this absolute fact asap imo
This isn't really how morality works. The morals of 100, 50, 20, and even 10 years ago are not identical to the morals of today. The morals of the future will be even more progressive than the morals of today. There is a compound effect that comes from every change. This change leads not just to its legalisation but its normalisation. Making it eligible to people who have over a year to die would be unthinkable to most MPs today. But will that be the case say..... 10 years in the future? Probably not. The change and subsequent changes compound to create a cuture where an idea is normalised and therefore more palateable and easier to accept for many people. Another compound change can be the voice of suicidal people being heard. In some years time, suicidal rights and human rights activism may become more normalised and accepted than it is now. You can't judge the people of the future by the morals of today. Their morals will be more progressive than ours. I mean, look at how suicidal people were treated in the past and compare that to today. The difference is stark. Of course it's hard to predict how long this will take to occur but it's unlikely to not occur. Western society has simply liberalised and progressed over the centuries and it's unlikely that that trend will suddenly stop.

Edit- just to be clear, I'm not trying to make anyone overly optimistic about this. What I'm saying is that this is an inevitable change but it's also a slow change that probably won't affect anyone who is using the site currently.
 
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The title is incorrect, the bill has only passed second reading. It needs to pass third reading to be legalised.
 
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The title is incorrect, the bill has only passed second reading. It needs to pass third reading to be legalised.
Yes but I think it's fairly unlikely that the bill won't be passed since a majority of parliament and a majority of the public are in support of assisted dying.
 
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It's so cruel and terrible to me how it's not already legalised as all I wish for is to never suffer in this existence ever again, I'd never wish for the torturous and futile burden of human existence. I just want non-existence instead with no more suffering, ceasing to exist truly is all that's desirable for me, under no circumstances would I wish for existence and I should have the option to painlessly free myself and save myself from all future suffering in this existence that was imposed, I'd never wish to be conscious at all, I just want the peace of eternal, dreamless sleep instead.
 
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I agree, this is a start and potentially be able to expand to non-terminally ill patients who are suffering from chronic, incurable conditions, or even severe debility that limits quality of life (paralysis, MS, SCI, to name a few).

@Chinaski I believe you are correct in what you are saying (as much as I wished assisted dying would be much more permissive than it currently is), but I do believe that if the government someday expands to those with severe (likely permanent) physical conditions like the ones I mentioned (paralysis, MS, SCI, etc.) then that's the next logical step and would be a significant game changer for those who are suffering greatly, have low quality of life (unlikely and unrealistically going to recover), and be able to die with dignity. While it may not likely be available for physically healthy, able-bodied individuals (most of us), having that option for those who are physically unable to die with dignity is still a major win especially in the world we live in now.
 
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The bill passing is essentially good news for terminally ill patients who face an agonising and prolonged demise however "we" have not won anything and muh governments are never going to legislate in favour of enabling doctors to whimsically kill us on request, it would be to everyone's benefit if literally everyone on this website comes to terms with this absolute fact asap imo
Agreed the government likely knows that a considerable portion of the populus would chose to end their lives, especially those of lower class is given access to a peaceful death. There is no way the government will allow it.
 
Chinaski

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This isn't really how morality works. The morals of 100, 50, 20, and even 10 years ago are not identical to the morals of today. The morals of the future will be even more progressive than the morals of today. There is a compound effect that comes from every change. This change leads not just to its legalisation but its normalisation. Making it eligible to people who have over a year to die would be unthinkable to most MPs today. But will that be the case say..... 10 years in the future? Probably not. The change and subsequent changes compound to create a cuture where an idea is normalised and therefore more palateable and easier to accept for many people. Another compound change can be the voice of suicidal people being heard. In some years time, suicidal rights and human rights activism may become more normalised and accepted than it is now. You can't judge the people of the future by the morals of today. Their morals will be more progressive than ours. I mean, look at how suicidal people were treated in the past and compare that to today. The difference is stark. Of course it's hard to predict how long this will take to occur but it's unlikely to not occur. Western society has simply liberalised and progressed over the centuries and it's unlikely that that trend will suddenly stop.

Edit- just to be clear, I'm not trying to make anyone overly optimistic about this. What I'm saying is that this is an inevitable change but it's also a slow change that probably won't affect anyone who is using the site currently.
Yeah progress moves at a glacial pace i agree, in a hundred years it's perfectly feasible that euthanasia kiosks would exist on every street corner and you'd have to ask how and why that would come about and what that would say about the society of the time.

In the meantime, this bill is one i tentatively, and with caution, support but for reasons completely separate from suicide, which is a very, very different thing to terminal illness. I would even go as far as to say this bill is for those who are terminally ill only and the main considerations for those who are not presently terminally ill should be how this affects the quality of palliative care which is, frankly, fucking shocking and it needs to be considered how much of an actual choice will a terminally ill patient be given. This is not directly a healthcare policy but the implications certainly are, it has not been brought without consideration to the same economic demands of this governments puppeteers as other healthcare-adjacent policies, such as cutting the "benefits bill" by declaring sick people fit for work, the privatising and outsourcing of services (including healthcare) to the point where accessibility and accountability are non-existent, sending 'employment coaches' into psych wards, whilst simultaneously bunging £450m of subsidy, on the taxpayer dime, to corrupt water companies who pollute our water and so on. Neoliberal shitheads do not *like* the sick. Be cautious.

In any case "yay those of us who like suicide are winning" is wrong-headed, being suicidal is not a consideration here and i doubt an essay from one of the SS philosophy club tipped the balance.
 
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Praestat_Mori

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A step in the right direction!
 
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leloyon

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Too bad it won't make a blind bit of difference to me.
Even if society can bring themselves to support the terminally ill dying, sufferers of mental illness, who often don't even get their suffering recognised to begin with, will never get it. EXIT International, the most outspoken "pro-choice" organisation only allows old people and gatekeeps. If there ever will be some societal shift, we are far, far away from it, we won't even begin to see it in our lifetimes, the shift is stupidly major.
Normal people rely on "empathy", which they cannot extend to everyone. If they cannot understand someone's situation, they cannot empathise with that person, and thus they do not care about that person's wellbeing (we see this a lot with trans people, but also with mentally ill people, especially the more demonised/"problematic" illnesses). Even their anti-suicide initiatives are based off the incorrect assumption that people's suffering must not be as bad as it truly is, and that it will get better, and is moreso thinking about the normal people around that person and their feelings ("how do you think your family would feel?") rather than the feelings of the sufferer themselves.
 
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@Chinaski I believe you are correct in what you are saying (as much as I wished assisted dying would be much more permissive than it currently is), but I do believe that if the government someday expands to those with severe (likely permanent) physical conditions like the ones I mentioned (paralysis, MS, SCI, etc.) then that's the next logical step and would be a significant game changer for those who are suffering greatly, have low quality of life (unlikely and unrealistically going to recover), and be able to die with dignity. While it may not likely be available for physically healthy, able-bodied individuals (most of us), having that option for those who are physically unable to die with dignity is still a major win especially in the world we live in now.
At some point cannabis will be available, on prescription, to people who suffer from MS and Parkinsonism. There ain't ever gonna be a doctor who doles it out to bogstandard potheads. This difference in terms of need should be recognised.

By all means sit and wait for a government to legislate for your suicide if you want but I'd wager you've all got better things to spend the next fifty years doing. Or maybe not idk.
 
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Some people on this forum are those suffering from terminal illnesses wishing to end their lives by their own hands so in reality it affects the people of this forum as well, I don't think most Countries are ready to agknowledge the fact that those wanting to take their own lives should be given access to it, I think it's a reasonable assumption if no treatment is improving their mental stability at all, however dying of a terminal illness and having a mental illness are not one in the same
 
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Will become lawful if it passes 3rd reading, subject to committee scrutiny, amendments, etc. However, it seems very hopeful at this stage.
 
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It is only for people who are suffering and have six months to live but it's a start. Times are changing but they're changing slow. But this will contribute to assisted dying's normalisation and a culture of acceptance for it. The law will most likely begin to be enforced in the summer
Will become lawful if it passes 3rd reading, subject to committee scrutiny, amendments, etc. However, it seems very hopeful at this stage.
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ijustwishtodie

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Can you remove your comment please?
Why do you want here to remove her comment? She didn't say anything wrong. It truly is cruel at how the right to die isn't a thing yet. Yes, what the UK is doing is a good first step and I absolutely support it but it's nowhere near to the right to die and it won't ever be. Users here deserve to be annoyed at that realisation. This bill changes nothing for the rest of here who want to die but can't because society would rather force people like us to stay alive for as long as possible against our will. This in turn causes immense harm so FC and everybody else here as the right to be upset at that
 
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Why do you want here to remove her comment? She didn't say anything wrong. It truly is cruel at how the right to die isn't a thing yet. Yes, what the UK is doing is a good first step and I absolutely support it but it's nowhere near to the right to die and it won't ever be. Users here deserve to be annoyed at that realisation. This bill changes nothing for the rest of here who want to die but can't because society would rather force people like us to stay alive for as long as possible against our will. This in turn causes immense harm so FC and everybody else here as the right to be upset at that
Because I don't like her fucking constant doomer posts. This is a thread about the assisted dying bill, not an opportunity to spread your cult-like doomer ideology. You can complain about the way the world is and how it makes you suicidal without actually romanticising death.
 
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Why do you want here to remove her comment? She didn't say anything wrong. It truly is cruel at how the right to die isn't a thing yet. Yes, what the UK is doing is a good first step and I absolutely support it but it's nowhere near to the right to die and it won't ever be. Users here deserve to be annoyed at that realisation. This bill changes nothing for the rest of here who want to die but can't because society would rather force people like us to stay alive for as long as possible against our will. This in turn causes immense harm so FC and everybody else here as the right to be upset at that
Just rang my doctor and asked if being "terminally online" is treatable and if not will he kill me, am on hold rn, will let you know how it goes.

EDIT: still on hold but cops at my door for some reason brb
 
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Because I don't like her fucking constant doomer posts. This is a thread about the assisted dying bill, not an opportunity to spread your cult-like doomer ideology. You can complain about the way the world is and how it makes you suicidal without actually romanticising death.
This is a public place so, when you post a thread here, you have to deal with the responses that you get even if you hate the person posting it. Also, how tf is she what she saying a cult like ideology? Do you even know what a cult is? A cult is a group of people who have the same beliefs and try to impose said beliefs upon others; an example of this being christianity or Islam. FC has many times used the words "I" and "me" showing that it's her personal belief only. Also, what's wrong if she romantises death for her own personal life? Why does she or anybody have to complain about their life without also romanticising death for their own situation?
 
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Did @littleadonis just get banned for this or am I tripping?
 
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I'm happy this got passed but really sad for my favorite person who will die in the next year of cancer, without this option being available to them in their last weeks 💔

And of course for everyone else who will suffer needlessly and painfully before dying over the next two years before it's implemented.

Fingers crossed this will be expanded to something more like MAiD in Canada over time. I recognise MAiD has a lot of serious issues but my goodness, the alternative of not having it is so much worse.
 
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Chinaski

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Because I don't like her fucking constant doomer posts. This is a thread about the assisted dying bill, not an opportunity to spread your cult-like doomer ideology. You can complain about the way the world is and how it makes you suicidal without actually romanticising death.
I may or may not agree with you here but i will offer some gentle advice from experience and say their stans are relentlessly enthusiastic when launching a public defence of the mildest eye-roll in the direction of their fav and staff will not be sympathetic to any position you present about the inappropriateness of copypaste spam posting, the ignore button is something l avoid using as a rule but in lieu of any ostensibly sensible option it is absolutely your friend here
Did @littleadonis just get banned for this or am I tripping?
Wow, they are VERY quick these days. FC has seen off more users of this forum than SN ever could.
 
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lnlybnny

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I may or may not agree with you here but i will offer some gentle advice from experience and say their stans are relentlessly enthusiastic when launching a public defence of the mildest eye-roll in the direction of their fav and staff will not be sympathetic to any position you present about the inappropriateness of copypaste spam posting, the ignore button is something l avoid using as a rule but in lieu of any ostensibly sensible option it is absolutely your friend here
I find all her posts so similar, it seems I'm always reading the same thing. It's surprising to me that she has such a solid fanbase lol.
 
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I may or may not agree with you here but i will offer some gentle advice from experience and say their stans are relentlessly enthusiastic when launching a public defence of the mildest eye-roll in the direction of their fav and staff will not be sympathetic to any position you present about the inappropriateness of copypaste spam posting, the ignore button is something l avoid using as a rule but in lieu of any ostensibly sensible option it is absolutely your friend here

Wow, they are VERY quick these days. FC has seen off more users of this forum than SN ever could

Did @littleadonis just get banned for this or am I tripping?
They said something nasty to me but I didn't report it. Are they banned or did their nastier comments just get removed?
 
alltoomuch2

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What did they say exactly? 'Nasty' is very open for interpretation...

They must've been at 99% then because this was nothing.
Can't remember. My brains gone sorry but I remember "ignoring" them when I saw it, which I don't usually do. Sorry I can't remember for you tho. Think my personalities know I'm not in a good place and they forget stuff for me if that makes sense. Tired. Can't do conversation right now. Sorry
 
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Chinaski

Chinaski

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I find all her posts so similar, it seems I'm always reading the same thing. It's surprising to me that she has such a solid fanbase lol.
Yes but observing this gets you the "ban hammer" by particularly vigilant staff, just swerve and move on.
They must've been at 99% then because this was nothing.
Is almost as if the percentage points system is ultimately arbitrary and designed to give individual members of staff discretion to impose discipline on an unseen numeric scale which still presents a veneer of accountability.

Anyway other people mentioned in this very thread have been restored after a 100% ban because, according to reasons given at the time, cases are assessed on their merit by staff and are always subject to review, so on that basis i would expect this persons account to be reinstated.
 
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