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Sounds nice, though it's obviously difficult. Not to mention the basic problem of security / safety and the fact that it's a congregation of suicidal and depressed people (and other mental illness).

Also the fact that co-living is a delicate matters . Honestly I fantasize about something similiar even though I'm practically a shut-in lol
 
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Sounds nice, though it's obviously difficult. Not to mention the basic problem of security / safety and the fact that it's a congregation of suicidal and depressed people (and other mental illness).

Also the fact that co-living is a delicate matters . Honestly I fantasize about something similiar even though I'm practically a shut-in lol
Are you in the UK?
 
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Jul 5, 2021
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Sounds nice, though it's obviously difficult. Not to mention the basic problem of security / safety and the fact that it's a congregation of suicidal and depressed people (and other mental illness).

Also the fact that co-living is a delicate matters . Honestly I fantasize about something similiar even though I'm practically a shut-in lol
It is easier said than done. I agree. I also agree that it would be nice to have a place like this.

It would take time and effort, and, unfortunately, a process of who's in and who's out based on temperament and behavior, their ability to be self-aware and to hold themselves accountable.

If the people involved were committed to making a situation like this work, I don't think it would be impossible. But it would take time and effort. And there would be challenges those involved would have to deal with.
 
PaxAmerica

PaxAmerica

Just Passing
Apr 15, 2021
202
Any people in UK interested in this idea?
 
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Yes, I'm interested.
 
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Makko

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This is a good idea. I'm good with real estate so I can help. Everyone, send me all your money and I'll set something up for us.
 
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PaxAmerica

PaxAmerica

Just Passing
Apr 15, 2021
202
This is a good idea. I'm good with real estate so I can help. Everyone, send me all your money and I'll set something up for us.
That's real kind of you. I think Jeff Bezos has a billion he wants to give for his place
 
PaxAmerica

PaxAmerica

Just Passing
Apr 15, 2021
202
If he's joining us then I can commission a space station.
Think they sell those on Amazon with Prime next day delivery. The SS on side wont mean Star Ship but Sanctioned Suicide
 
Makko

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Iä!
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Think they sell those on Amazon with Prime next day delivery. The SS on side wont mean Star Ship but Sanctioned Suicide
Technology sure advances fast. Now we can fire ourselves into the sun.
 
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logan

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May 20, 2021
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You guys are really crazy ... ;-)
 
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Cockney_Rebel

Everything you want is on the other side of fear.
Jan 7, 2021
455
Such a place already exists.

It's called the afterlife.

It's going to be beautiful, and it's waiting for us all.

See you on the other side …
 
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LittleBlackCat

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I'm in west Yorkshire and very interested. I wouldn't mind living anywhere in the UK or Europe.
Will have a think about ideas and come back.
 
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toforigivelife

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Jul 5, 2021
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I'm in west Yorkshire and very interested. I wouldn't mind living anywhere in the UK or Europe.
Will have a think about ideas and come back.
PaxAmerica is British and lives in the U.K. and she is really interested in creating a place like this.

If you scroll up a bit you'll see her comments and you can reply or private message her.

I hope you're both successful in putting something like this together, I really am.
 
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Jul 29, 2019
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A great idea. I support this with a suggestion. I live in Turkey. Turkey is a very beautiful country, but there is better news. 1 euro = 10 Turkish liras. Yes, 1 turns into 10 in the Turkey. You need a home office job. My english is weak but I want to explain.

If you have a home office business, you can live in Turkey. I will try to explain the financial situation. If you can earn 1,000 euros per month from your home office job, this means 10,000 Turkish liras in Turkey. This is twice the average salary in Turkey. If you want to live in Istanbul, the average rent of a house is around 3,000 liras. Internet, electricity, gas, water bills total 1.000 liras. So if you earn 1,000 euros, you'll be left with 6,000 lira when you pay the rent and bills. So it is enough to live comfortably alone.

If you want to live as a community, think again. Let's think for 4 people. If everyone earns 1,000 euros per month, that's 40,000 turkish liras. For example you can rent this house for 15.000 turkish liras. It's a great house.


When the bills are shared, everyone leaves 5,500 TL. Other options can also be discussed. My goal is to live in Turkey is advantageous if you have an online business. Of course, I don't know if it is possible to find an online job where you can work without losing your job.
 
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It would be ruined by people with strange hair colours in no time.
 
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toforigivelife

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Jul 5, 2021
493
A great idea. I support this with a suggestion. I live in Turkey. Turkey is a very beautiful country, but there is better news. 1 euro = 10 Turkish liras. Yes, 1 turns into 10 in the Turkey. You need a home office job. My english is weak but I want to explain.

If you have a home office business, you can live in Turkey. I will try to explain the financial situation. If you can earn 1,000 euros per month from your home office job, this means 10,000 Turkish liras in Turkey. This is twice the average salary in Turkey. If you want to live in Istanbul, the average rent of a house is around 3,000 liras. Internet, electricity, gas, water bills total 1.000 liras. So if you earn 1,000 euros, you'll be left with 6,000 lira when you pay the rent and bills. So it is enough to live comfortably alone.

If you want to live as a community, think again. Let's think for 4 people. If everyone earns 1,000 euros per month, that's 40,000 turkish liras. For example you can rent this house for 15.000 turkish liras. It's a great house.


When the bills are shared, everyone leaves 5,500 TL. Other options can also be discussed. My goal is to live in Turkey is advantageous if you have an online business. Of course, I don't know if it is possible to find an online job where you can work without losing your job.
You speak English very well.

I live in the U.S., so living in Turkey would not be realistic for me.

The visa process, the cost, not knowing the language. Turkey is a beautiful country but, unfortunately, it wouldn't be practical for me.

If you were to set up a home like this in the town you live in that would be great and I hope this home or safe place would be a success.

Of course it would take a little time, you'd have to select the right people, people who be able to live together and you would all have to discuss topics like expenses and rules of the house.

I hope you can accomplish this. People who are struggling and feeling suicidal need a safe, supportive place to live.
 
rationaltake

rationaltake

I'm rocking it - in another universe
Sep 28, 2021
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They have communes for new and old hippies and environmentalists. Why not create a safe home for people like us? For vulnerable, unhappy, suicidal people?

We'll find a house and a property to house a number of people and we can all get part-time jobs (holding a job is so hard when you're in this state of mind) or get remote jobs.

Since we'd all be pitching in and splitting the cost of rent, mortgage, taxes, utilities, Internet connection, etc. we wouldn't have to pressure ourselves to work full time.

We'd be alleviating the pressure of dealing with the cost of living without having to work more than one job while contending with severe depression and suicidal feelings.

We could also outfit the place with things like solar panels and do other things to help keep costs at a minimum.

Need time alone? You can go to your private bedroom when you need to. Need company? Come in and join a friend or the group.

Having an especially tough time and need a person or people to talk to? You'd be surrounded by those who understand you.

Who would understand each other's needs better than us? Who would understand our mood swings and our bad days versus half-way decent days better than us?

Having a better than average day? Then you can do more for yourself and around the house. Have days where you need to be cared for, pampered and understood? That can be arranged.

Too overwhelmed to run errands? You'd have help.

Those who have vehicles could help those who don't have vehicles.

One way or another it would all even out fairly so that no one feels taken advantage of or feels guilty that they're taking advantage of others (you know how prone to feelings of guilt and shame people in our position are).

We'd operate on a level of mutual respect and mutual understanding. With some intelligent and we'll thought out house rules laid out we could achieve that.

Wanna blast your stereo or television without regard for others? Nope. Sorry. Wanna listen to music or watch television at a level where you're not disturbing others in your room? Much better.

We'd all help and accommodate each other's physical health concerns.

We could make dinner every night, have meals together and talk.

Or you could opt to eat alone in your room if you're not up for having company.

We'd all understand how some days and nights are better than others.

We'd offer an atmosphere of understanding, respect and comfort.

No, it wouldn't be a commune. Aside from kicking in for expenses your money is your own, you take care of your individual expenses and you decide if you want to stay or leave.

We could anonymously write down pet peeves, no matter how silly these pet peeves sound, and put them in a hat and everyone would respect these pet peeves.

We'd create a space and options for smokers so that non-smokers are not affected while giving smokers the option of continuing to smoke or to quit. If you did decide to quit you'd have alot of support.

We could allow pets as long as no one has any severe allergies. (And, again, the theory of mutual respect applies here.)

We'd listen without judgement about your suicidal feelings and do our best to offer support and understanding and to help you through those times. But if you are intent on catching the bus that is ultimately up to you.

We could have movie nights or plan other mutually agreed upon fun activities. At least what our idea of fun is.

We could set up the kitchen so that we wouldn't have to wait for others to be done with the stove, microwave or refrigerator in order to make something to eat.

You'd always have someone to talk to and your time for solitude when you need it.

I have a little money I could put towards this. If we all put a little money towards this it might work.

It could be a safe haven for people like us.

I'd love to be able to have community members from overseas come and join us if they wanted to. If not we could offer help and support as far as creating their own safe haven.

This might not prevent people from committing suicide but at least it would be a safe place to go, a place of refuge. At least it would give us all a chance at a better life before you make your final decision.

We wouldn't be lonely or scared all the time. We'd all be helping to financially cover everyone's necessities which would give us a sense of security.

And, like I said, you could have your alone time when you needed it.

Of course we'd have to come up with the correct amount of bathrooms.

Just a thought. Be nice if something like this could work out.

Peace and blessings everyone.
I love this!
 
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toforigivelife

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I love this!
Thanks my friend, I love this idea too.

I'd give anything to make this a reality. I keep waiting for an SS member to say, "Hey! I'm sitting here in this big ole house by myself, let's all get together and make this happen" - lol.

But maybe being in our position makes something like this unachievable. It's hard to find and hold down a job when you struggle with mental health and suicidal thoughts. A lot of us, sadly, are dependent on others and have other kinds of hardships.

But, yeah, it would be great if this could come to pass.
 
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rationaltake

I'm rocking it - in another universe
Sep 28, 2021
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Thanks my friend, I love this idea too.

I'd give anything to make this a reality. I keep waiting for an SS member to say, "Hey! I'm sitting here in this big ole house by myself, let's all get together and make this happen" - lol.

But maybe being in our position makes something like this unachievable. It's hard to find and hold down a job when you struggle with mental health and suicidal thoughts. A lot of us, sadly, are dependent on others and have other kinds of hardships.

But, yeah, it would be great if this could come to pass.
You're right. But sometimes things like this come to pass. Against all the odds. It could become a world wide movement. And for those in the US would Mexico be an option?
 
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Jan 26, 2021
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Neurotypical moment.
 
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toforigivelife

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Jul 5, 2021
493
You're right. But sometimes things like this come to pass. Against all the odds. It could become a world wide movement. And for those in the US would Mexico be an option?
Yes, safe homes and safe places may become a future trend. Good point. I just saw a tweet about all of the tent communities popping up all over beautiful, affluent San Francisco.

Homelessness is rising and the housing crisis is terrifying.

I believe that a lot of people here in the U.S. would consider beautiful Mexico as an option.
 
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Yes, safe homes and safe places may become a future trend. Good point. I just saw a tweet about all of the tent communities popping up all over beautiful, affluent San Francisco.

Homelessness is rising and the housing crisis is terrifying.

I believe that a lot of people here in the U.S. would consider beautiful Mexico as an option.
I'm in the UK but have spent a fair amount of time in Mexico. I've heard a bit about the tent communities in San Francisco too.

These could be alternative options to traditional psychiatric care which I think doesn't have much to offer.

Housing is a major issue for so many people struggling with mental health difficulties.

I love your take on it.
 
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toforigivelife

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Jul 5, 2021
493
I'm in the UK but have spent a fair amount of time in Mexico. I've heard a bit about the tent communities in San Francisco too.

These could be alternative options to traditional psychiatric care which I think doesn't have much to offer.

Housing is a major issue for so many people struggling with mental health difficulties.

I love your take on it.
Thank you so much my friend across the water. :-)

I agree. I think having a well run, well organized safe place or place of refuge for those in our position might offer more healing than traditional care.

If you're giving Mexico serious thought I hope you thoroughly research the country first.

If you can make this come true for yourself and others than I wish you success, blessings and healing.
 
rationaltake

rationaltake

I'm rocking it - in another universe
Sep 28, 2021
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Thank you so much my friend across the water. :-)

I agree. I think having a well run, well organized safe place or place of refuge for those in our position might offer more healing than traditional care.

If you're giving Mexico serious thought I hope you thoroughly research the country first.

If you can make this come true for yourself and others than I wish you success, blessings and healing.
Thank you friend. In the past I was considering Mexico and you are so right about research. I haven't been to Mexico for years now and I'm sorry to say I've pretty much lost the ability to function so it's not currently an option. It was a home from home for me at one time and I loved Mexican Spanish. I hope somebody comes up with a property so you can make your vision come true. Take care.
 
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brutalus

brutalus

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but what about all the practical stuff!?!

whos paying, cleaning, resolving disputes. what if theres sexual attractions and jealousys? what if a member hurts other people? what if someone steals? what if someone smells or smokes tobacco? what if someone gets sick? what if someone commits suicide in the premises? and many other conflicts not yet thought of.

ive never seen one, but all those big brother type shows come to mind.

btw i live alone in mexico, in a tropical paradise hehe
 
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The call of the void
Dec 29, 2018
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Not interested. Want to leave this world alone!
 
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but what about all the practical stuff!?!

whos paying, cleaning, resolving disputes. what if theres sexual attractions and jealousys? what if a member hurts other people? what if someone steals? what if someone smells or smokes tobacco? what if someone gets sick? what if someone commits suicide in the premises? and many other conflicts not yet thought of.

ive never seen one, but all those big brother type shows come to mind.

btw i live alone in mexico, in a tropical paradise hehe
The issues you mentioned, in a as close to perfect setting as we'd get it to being, would be addressed.

We would sit down and do our best to think of all of the practical issues and come to an agreement.

The bills?

We'd all work to not run up utility bills with wasteful or excessive use, and everyone would be responsible for their own bills. Food, favorite snacks, cell phones, etc. With everyone pitching in your personal expenses would be a lot cheaper.

And, with so many people living together we might only need part-time jobs or home based jobs and we would all pool our resources to pay the bills.

And hopefully be willing to carry those who are having work-related issues if necessary. Depression and mental health issues make holding a job more difficult.

But the people in question would need to come up with some form of income. Offering a paid service, work from home. Something.

Keeping the place clean? We'd all pitch in. With several people keeping the place clean would be pretty easy.

Smokers would be free to smoke as long as non-smoker's rights and feelings were respected.

If people want to hook up and pair off, them living in this place either works out for them or it doesn't. If it doesn't work out they are free to find a place of their own.

If jealousies arise we either work the issues out or some individuals may opt to move on or be asked to move on.

If someone gets sick, whether they're having depression or other mental health issues or are physically sick, they'd have several housemates who understand their condition, who would sympathize with their physical suffering and help to care for them.

Smelly people would have to learn to practice good hygiene. Take a shower, take a bath, wash yourself in the sink, whatever works for you, brush their teeth regularly.

Cigarette smoke noise, music, not smelling bad - consideration for others would be a must.

As far as suicide on the premises; we'd all do our best to help a suicidal housemate through their crisis, see if we can help with circumstances that are contributing to feeling suicidal or just be there to offer the comfort and support they need.

We'd respect the right of all individuals to determine the level of their quality of life and if the person in question feels, for whatever reason, that ending their life is the best option for them they'd have to be considerate of other people's emotions, on a lot of levels, they'd have to respect other people's emotions.

If there was a household member who everyone knows is going to end their life, they'd have no choice but to do it somewhere off the property, somewhere away from this refuge.

And, from a legal standpoint, for the sake of liability and for the sake of those who have lived with and been there for them when they needed them, the suicidal person would have to find a place to do it, provide their own method and not involve others in their plans.

Something like this could succeed. Everyone would have to be committed to making it work.

But you're right. A lot could go wrong. This would not be a simple thing to pull off.

It's just a nice option to be able to think about.

Congratulations on finding your warm, sunny, solitary paradise.
 
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Mashedout

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A beautiful idea, but I think it can only happen right in a different world. There seems to be too many things that can go wrong with just normal people, let alone ones dealing with all these adversities. I hope you prove me wrong though. Keep trying.
 
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PrincessInWhite

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Feb 21, 2019
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the thought of this makes me almost wanna live. I adore this
 
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