Story We live in a dark world

[BabyFears]

I'm a student in law school and I spend my days studying cases. I do believe in justice, I like to think that the world is slowly getting better, fairer. I know it's not perfect right now but it would be lying to say it was better back in the years. That's one reason I decided to study law, I want to help people and protect them from how this world can abuse them.

But when I read some cases, I just wonder how people can be so evil. My classes are the dark and putrid part of humankind. I feel so disgusted sometimes and I just wonder how I can keep living in this world when so many awful things happen. Yesterday I almost cried during my lecture, we were talking about a case where journalists thought it would be great to publish on front cover of their magazine a photo of a man tortured. I didn't see the picture but the judge described it in the case and so my teacher read it to the all of us. I think it was worse than seeing it. What disgusted me the most in that story is what the journalists did. The man died after being tortured for days, he was a human being with a family and feelings and they published a picture of him all beaten up and desperate to end it all on title page. How can people can be so emotionless ? Is it really all about selling their magazines ?

I guess being depressed is also making me more sensitive and sometimes it's hard to read all details of cases like that. It just makes me sad and mad at the same time. I feel so powerless to all the suffering of this world. I can't face all the evil people walking Earth, I can't understand how people can grow to be so malevolent. I don't want to belong to that kind of world, I don't want to see myself become as emotionless as those journalists. I feel so much hate for this world

 

[Lady black]

Actually we all can see how easy it is to make people angry about other people. In my country the politics say: The not-vaccinated are responsible for everything, although in some hospitals are nearly only vaccinated people. Now some people are really angry with their own family mebers and treat them like shit. The method is simple: Find someone and make them responsible for everything bad that happens... It was the same with AH and his Nazi-friends, the same in every dictatorship. People need some enemys that are responsible and bad in their eyes, then they do everything against them.

 

[Un-]

I'll come off as insensitive here, but I just don't understand people "like you". People that, only now, truly understand the extent of disgust humanity is. For context, I've always grown up with this - I never had a good family, and I knew people, and have heard and seen countless stories of parental abuse and sexual abuse, murder, sex-trafficking, etcetera, since I was 13.

This isn't to come off as a pain... or a misanthropic contest, but, I simply believe that every human being has a capacity for evil. Every human has wronged someone unapologetically. People that have hope for humanity are walking paradoxes - how can you have hope for a people that destroys it? It will never get better; maybe less severe, or less documented on, but corruption, greed, crime, lawlessness, chaos, and so on, are all arbitrary. For a (very) light example, think about a funny cat video on YouTube - and how something as innocent as that, most definitely has dislikes on it.

I found it weird that in order to get through life, you, firstly, have to be strong. You have to nearly exclusively focus on the good parts. You have to take anti-depressants, and pray to a religious figure for guidance. If life were so amazing, why do we have to work so hard to be happy? If life were so amazing, why is it so easy for anyone, really, to be the next West Memphis Three, or the next Josef Mengele?

It's unfathomable, really. Human's aren't all that's to blame. This applies to everything, more or less, that's been alive. And that's the beautify of life. It somehow tricks everything into thinking it's amazing and worthwhile, whilst silently, and connivingly plotting the deterioration of everything in it, one way or another.

And there's no solution to it, either.

 

[FuneralCry]

Yes, this really is a horrible world. Humans are capable of so much cruelty and can cause so much pain to others. It is terrifying to think that there is unlimited potential for suffering in this world, there is no limit as to how bad things can get. I see it as better to never be born in the first place, death is freedom, only then will there be peace.

 

[BabyFears]

As you said @Un- , you've heard and seen stories when you were young that made you understand that point of view of humanity. I just think it took me longer to realize that, maybe because I really wanted to have faith in humanity. Every kids want to grow up in a beautiful world, it is hard to realize how it really is. I think that society is also trying to make us think life is so great and so beautiful and that's why it's worth living it.

I just posted that thread because sometimes I feel like the world itself is telling me to end all of this.

Now what I said about how I see justice doesn't mean I believe we will ever live in a great and safe world. I know we can't change humanity itself, it would be naive to think that. I just think that we can try to help others, we can try to protect and do justice. There will always be crime and awful things done but that doesn't mean those who do mean shall remain unpunished

 

[Rational man]

My parents were dysfunctional and oftentimes narcissistic. How does a child grow up to trust this world given the abuse I was subjected to?. I built my world within a world which consists of nature, animal's and a few trustworthy humans. I think the WORLD has lurched into selfish, uncaring, polluted stinking mess mode. Humans couldn't save the planet anymore than they can save themselves. I think many humans are brainless, stoopid, self - centred .

Of course, you'd be facing the darkest cases and you need to control your sensativity before sensitivity controls you. Protect YOU
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I've stopped watching TV news. I don't see LOVE and LIGHT. I see fascists stomping around Europe blaming people ro the stinking mess.!

i feel YOUR pain but im out of LIGHT.

Actually we all can see how easy it is to make people angry about other people. In my country the politics say: The not-vaccinated are responsible for everything, although in some hospitals are nearly only vaccinated people. Now some people are really angry with their own family mebers and treat them like shit. The method is simple: Find someone and make them responsible for everything bad that happens... It was the same with AH and his Nazi-friends, the same in every dictatorship. People need some enemys that are responsible and bad in their eyes, then they do everything against them.

Of course. You've noticed the dictators in Europe with the fascists stomping parades. Rhetoric is fashionable once more by blaming the minority defensless for the stinking mess. Unfortunately the EU is powerless yet again. Sanctions just fuel the fascists. As I said, humans can be stoopid because they didn't remember 1939 !.

 

[Deleted member 8579]

People need some enemies that are responsible and bad in their eyes, then they do everything against them.

I found this in an old thread on this website:

I do believe in justice

Your understanding of justice, or what you consider as such, is entirely dependent on the society you live in. The Aztecs had a different understanding of justice than the Romans, and there is no doubt that many of the things considered just today will be looked down upon as unjust and barbaric in the future. It is a purely social construct. "Fighting for justice" simply means that you defend the arbitrary rules and mores of the society you live in, and you are free to do so; I merely object to your formulation which seems to imply that there is some sort of "true justice", although I am probably reading too much into it.

I like to think that the world is slowly getting better, fairer.

Some things get better, some get worse, but there is no objective overall trend. Whether the positive or the negative parts predominate is entirely dependent on your individual values, needs and social position. I personally believe the opposite of what you just said, so I'd really like to know what makes you think that the world is getting better. Our disagreement will most likely come down to a fundamental difference in the values we hold.

We live in a dark world.

Daylight saving time did end recently, after all.

(I apologise in advance if any or all of this doesn't make much sense; I'm having some trouble thinking straight right now.)

 

[eternalmelancholy]

Yep humans are capable of unspeakable evil. It is not just drug cartels and military regimes that commit atrocities. Even normal looking people violently abuse their spouses and children behind closed doors. There is no good reason to bring a child into this world. It is selfish as fuck to expose them to all the horrors of the world, just because you were bored or lonely.

 

[BabyFears]

which seems to imply that there is some sort of "true justice"

I don't believe in "true justice" and I think you're actually talking about "naturel rights". Some people think that there is one good justice that is inheritent to human nature or even to God. They think there is one law ruling humankind which is hard to believe just as you said it, other communities and civilizations can think differently. The law I believe in, is the one that protect people, the one that evolves with society and mentalities. I agree that it is flawed and there is still so much wrong but does that mean we have to stop evolving ?

"Fighting for justice" simply means that you defend the arbitrary rules

I defend rules I see as right, I don't follow arbitrary rules. I have my right to think and I can make my own opinion. For instance, I agree that murderers need to be judged and punished for their acts. But I also believe in the right to die yet in my country, euthanasia is not allowed. So I don't "fight for justice" blindly

so I'd really like to know what makes you think that the world is getting better.

of course not everything is getting better but the law is trying to protect every citizen which wasn't always the case. I think people have lost faith in the law at some point because they saw so much wrong being done. But honestly, would you really like to go back 50 years back when beaten wife and children weren't even seen as a bad thing, or 200 years when black people were hunt down and sold as properties ? I know, right now, it's not much better, but legally, it is. It's society and the way people act that stain the law. I don't want to change your mind on that, I'm just grateful to have at least laws that can protect me. Some countries, claiming to be democratic, are just using their people and don't even try to make things better for them. It's not because a lot is to be done that nothing is good

Our disagreement will most likely come down to a fundamental difference in the values we hold.

I agree, it depends on values indeed, that's why a 'true justice' doesn't mean anything

Daylight saving time did end recently, after all.

 

[pento]

For a (very) light example, think about a funny cat video on YouTube - and how something as innocent as that, most definitely has dislikes on it.

Hey Youtube is hiding this from you now! :)

 

[fox_wannabe]

I feel so powerless to all the suffering of this world.

Same... Suffering of this world crushes my every narrative about myself or others. In which way the person deserved to die in a war or from cancer, while I am alive and well? It just kills me to even see people like you or anybody here suffering without possible help. I would love to help, but I cannot. It really goes against anything I was taught as kid. My mom lied saying anything can be fixed. Some thing cannot, like this world right now, but this world is not something to be fixed.

It is for me meant to be discarded or destroyed. Maybe ignored if you can afford it without creating suffering. This is why I dwell in areas of grey morality, do not kill myself, but do not stop others from doing that.

If I could I would stop the world from existing. But normies keep breeding problems into this world. I am afraid most horrific things are yet to come, and I am afraid they will come soon.

 

[BabyFears]

Neither does @Voûte_Étoilée. That's why he used the inverted commas

Sure of course, I'm just answering cause it sounded like I did though

 

[motel rooms]

I defend rules I see as right, I don't follow arbitrary rules. I have my right to think and I can make my own opinion.

Good luck doing that when you start practicing law. You'll be disbarred the second you stop following arbitrary rules/laws... No offense, but you sound very naive for a law student.

of course not everything is getting better but the law is trying to protect every citizen which wasn't always the case. I think people have lost faith in the law at some point because they saw so much wrong being done. But honestly, would you really like to go back 50 years back when beaten wife and children weren't even seen as a bad thing, or 200 years when black people were hunt down and sold as properties ? I know, right now, it's not much better, but legally, it is. It's society and the way people act that stain the law. I don't want to change your mind on that, I'm just grateful to have at least laws that can protect me.

Some countries, claiming to be democratic, are just using their people and don't even try to make things better for them. It's not because a lot is to be done that nothing is good

If you're from the US, you live in such a country. Again, you sound profoundly naive.

I do believe in justice, I like to think that the world is slowly getting better, fairer.

 

[TriggerHappy]

The vulture and the little girl, also known as "The Struggling Girl", is a photograph by Kevin Carter which first appeared in The New York Times on 26 March 1993. It is a photograph of a frail famine-stricken boy, initially believed to be a girl,[1]​ who had collapsed in the foreground with a hooded vulture eyeing him from nearby. The child was reported to be attempting to reach a United Nations feeding center about a half mile away in Ayod, Sudan (now South Sudan), in March 1993, and to have survived the incident. The picture won the Pulitzer Prize for Feature Photography award in 1994. Carter took his own life four months after winning the prize.

The Vulture and the Little Girl - Wikipedia

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[motel rooms]

because I'm seeing some good in law means I'm naive ?

Cause I've never said it was great or that we were free and happy citizens all over world

You're naive if you think that lawyers are allowed to pick which arbitrary rules/laws they want to follow. Lawyers don't get to "follow their heart", they're nothing but cogs in a machine... You're naive if you think that "the world is slowly getting better, fairer". You sound like a victim of Hegel's delusions about the inevitability of progress.

What disgusted me the most in that story is what the journalists did. The man died after being tortured for days, he was a human being with a family and feelings and they published a picture of him all beaten up and desperate to end it all on title page. How can people can be so emotionless ? Is it really all about selling their magazines ?

Yes.

 

[BabyFears]

I've never talked about lawyers, I was talking about legislators most of all. But fine, guess I'm naive then

 

[Rational man]

The vulture and the little girl, also known as "The Struggling Girl", is a photograph by Kevin Carter which first appeared in The New York Times on 26 March 1993. It is a photograph of a frail famine-stricken boy, initially believed to be a girl,[1]​ who had collapsed in the foreground with a hooded vulture eyeing him from nearby. The child was reported to be attempting to reach a United Nations feeding center about a half mile away in Ayod, Sudan (now South Sudan), in March 1993, and to have survived the incident. The picture won the Pulitzer Prize for Feature Photography award in 1994. Carter took his own life four months after winning the prize.

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The Vulture and the Little Girl - Wikipedia

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Truly awful truth.

 

[fox_wannabe]

You're naive if you think that lawyers are allowed to pick which arbitrary rules/laws they want to follow. Lawyers don't get to "follow their heart", they're nothing but cogs in a machine... You're naive if you think that "the world is slowly getting better, fairer". You sound like a victim of Hegel's delusions about the inevitability of progress.

you are just being plane rude and condescending in your self-righteousness towards the man that just wishes for things to be different.

Why the need to call him naive two times? Like one isn't enough...

 

[motel rooms]

I've never talked about lawyers, I was talking about legislators most of all. But fine, guess I'm naive then

You said those things about yourself, a law student. Are you a legislator? Yes, you're naive...

you are just being plane rude and condescending in your self-righteousness towards the man that just wishes for things to be different.

@fox_wannabe
A law student should be able to effortlessly stand up to me. I'm only rough on this person because their colleagues will eat them alive if they don't wake up to certain realities. They're not in high school anymore...

 

[BabyFears]

You said those things about yourself, a law student. Are you a legislator? Yes, you're naive...

Being a law student doesn't mean you're gonna end up a lawyer. If you had tried to understand me you would have understand that I wasn't talking about humans trying to represent law but the law itself, which means law institutions.

I don't want to argue with you because you don't seem to know what you're talking about and you don't seem ready to listen to me

 

[fox_wannabe]

You said those things about yourself, a law student. Are you a legislator? Yes, you're naive...


@fox_wannabe
A law student should be able to effortlessly stand up to me. I'm only rough on this person because their colleagues will eat them alive if they don't wake up to certain realities. They're not in high school anymore...

You are just justifying being rude to other people, I remind you you are on suicide forum there is no good reason for giving somebody additional worries like their colleagues.

You think he doesn't know about it already? You just remind him of that in a place where people supposed to find comfort and some peace and maybe where they could relate to other people. Not being antagonized.

Are you using SS as your personal power-playground?

 

[motel rooms]

I don't want to argue with you because you don't seem to know what you're talking about and you don't seem ready to listen to me

Well, you seem unable to formulate strong, convincing arguments. I apologize, kid, I just can't resist messing with law students because I used to despise a couple of them when I was younger

Are you using SS as your personal power-playground?

Yes. I am the king of SS. I decided to overthrow @GenesAndEnvironment today. I'm bathing in his blood as we speak.

 

[Rational man]

Being a law student doesn't mean you're gonna end up a lawyer. If you had tried to understand me you would have understand that I wasn't talking about humans trying to represent law but the law itself, which means law institutions.

I don't want to argue with you because you don't seem to know what you're talking about and you don't seem ready to listen to me

I don't presume to know you but I think you've got a well -meaning kindness about you. You've just started out like I did some Years ago. I soon realised that how we think we know people is only half of the story. So be kind to YOU, cause it gets tough and dark on the outside world, as you are discovering.! Probably one reason why im on this forum ❤❤,✌PEACE.

 

[motel rooms]

No you're just an asshole. I've seen you post all kinds of nasty shit to people on here before. It is not your place to be "rough" on people here to "teach them a lesson". Get off your high horse.

You're just a very sore loser of arguments. It's not your place to tell me what my place is, no matter how suicidal you happen to be at the moment.

 

[fox_wannabe]

You're just a very sore loser of arguments. It's not your place to tell me what my place is, no matter how suicidal you happen to be at the moment.

You argue over your position on suicide forum.

How low can we go?

 

[motel rooms]

How low can we go?

Ask the person who called me an asshole who posts nasty shit.

 

[lotus11]

Interesting post, yes people are evil but I think that more often than not it I often in far more subtle ways than outright torture

 

[Deleted member 8579]

The law I believe in, is the one that protect people, the one that evolves with society and mentalities. I agree that it is flawed and there is still so much wrong but does that mean we have to stop evolving ?

Laws don't protect people; that's what the executive power is for. You can dream up the most wonderful laws, but they are all useless as long as you can't enforce them properly. A law that cannot be enforced is indistinguishable from a law that does not exist.

I defend rules I see as right, I don't follow arbitrary rules. I have my right to think and I can make my own opinion.

You can't just pick and choose which laws you want to defend and which not if you want to work in the legal profession. You can always try to propose amendments, but until they are approved, you have to obey the laws currently in place.

of course not everything is getting better but the law is trying to protect every citizen which wasn't always the case.

There's a difference between trying to do something and doing something. As pointed out above, laws are useless if they can't be enforced. I also find this obsession of yours with trying to protect the citizens a bit disturbing, because this kind of thinking paves the way for overbearing authoritarian states. So many laws are passed in the name of "protecting the citizens", when everything they do is just giving the state more power to control the lives of each one of us. While I do believe that a state of some sort is necessary, the kind of modern states we observe today are far too powerful already.

I think people have lost faith in the law at some point because they saw so much wrong being done.

I think people lost faith in the law at some point because modern law is an almost impenetrable monstrosity. The mere fact that you need to study several years to even reach a basic understanding of what's going on in the world of law is indicative that modern society is far too complex for its own good.

But honestly, would you really like to go back 50 years back when beaten wife and children weren't even seen as a bad thing, or 200 years when black people were hunt down and sold as properties ? I know, right now, it's not much better, but legally, it is.

These things are still happening. There is a difference between something being legal/illegal de facto and de jure. Rape is officially illegal, yet it still happens everywhere. No one is being helped by the world being legally better than it used to be if these abstract legal changes don't have any bearing on reality.

It's society and the way people act that stain the law.

What is that supposed to mean? "The law" does not exist independently of society, it is a direct outgrowth thereof. The way society and the people act are the reason why we need at least some laws and rules in the first place. I would even go so far as to say that the very existence of such a complex law-apparatus is a disgrace in itself, because it shows that people are unable to get along with each other. You seem to have a very idealised view of law as some kind of benevolent, abstract entity that only has the best interests of every citizen in mind.

I don't want to change your mind on that, I'm just grateful to have at least laws that can protect me.

Laws don't protect you, see above.

It's not because a lot is to be done that nothing is good

That is a very optimistic way of looking at things. "Why yes, the tsunami destroyed my house, but at least I was able to save my tea set. It's not because a lot is to be done that nothing is good."

I also would like to apologise for the, to the topic at hand only tangentially related, heated discussion my initial comment seems to have set off. This is not the proper way to conduct a discussion.

 

[BabyFears]

I think we're not really talking about the same thing and that's why we disagree. Because everything you said is true and I totally agree with that : laws cannot fully protect people, some are passed indeed to increase power to the state or to be used for economic or political reasons and not for the greater good, it's not because laws exist that they aren't broken
The thing is that I'm not talking about the judicial system because I agree that it doesn't work and is easily abused.

You seem to have a very idealised view of law as some kind of benevolent, abstract entity that only has the best interests of every citizen in mind.

It's actually what I'm talking about in some way, let me explain. We saw and you're right, law as it is in modern societies isn't working. When I say I believe in the law, I don't mean the judicial system or people who represent the law. I'm talking about the concept of law, the one that is not controlled and flawed by humans and that is supposed to protect rights of human beings. It's just words down a paper where in a perfect world would be rules followed to the letter. I don't think this concept will ever exist but it can help enhancing our current institutions. It's like some economic or philosophical schools of thoughts, they cannot apply to the real world but they can help understanding it better and improving it

What is that supposed to mean? "The law" does not exist independently of society, it is a direct outgrowth thereof. The way society and the people act are the reason why we need at least some laws and rules in the first place. I would even go so far as to say that the very existence of such a complex law-apparatus is a disgrace in itself, because it shows that people are unable to get along with each other. You seem to have a very idealised view of law as some kind of benevolent, abstract entity that only has the best interests of every citizen in mind.

In that way of thinking, I'm saying that this concept cannot exist because of society and how things really are.

I'm still thinking that laws can protect us in some way even though they can't prevent horrible things to happen to us. For instance, suspension of tenant evictions during the winter period, right to protest or freedom of speech. Making those legal has brought some good things. What I mean is that when you go back in time, it looks more chaotic with less rules.

No one is being helped by the world being legally better than it used to be if these abstract legal changes don't have any bearing on reality.

Yeah I see what you mean, like it's not because something is illegal that suddenly it changes everything. That would be too good...

 

[ihatemylife]

I'll come off as insensitive here, but I just don't understand people "like you". People that, only now, truly understand the extent of disgust humanity is. For context, I've always grown up with this - I never had a good family, and I knew people, and have heard and seen countless stories of parental abuse and sexual abuse, murder, sex-trafficking, etcetera, since I was 13.

This isn't to come off as a pain... or a misanthropic contest, but, I simply believe that every human being has a capacity for evil. Every human has wronged someone unapologetically. People that have hope for humanity are walking paradoxes - how can you have hope for a people that destroys it? It will never get better; maybe less severe, or less documented on, but corruption, greed, crime, lawlessness, chaos, and so on, are all arbitrary. For a (very) light example, think about a funny cat video on YouTube - and how something as innocent as that, most definitely has dislikes on it.

I found it weird that in order to get through life, you, firstly, have to be strong. You have to nearly exclusively focus on the good parts. You have to take anti-depressants, and pray to a religious figure for guidance. If life were so amazing, why do we have to work so hard to be happy? If life were so amazing, why is it so easy for anyone, really, to be the next West Memphis Three, or the next Josef Mengele?

It's unfathomable, really. Human's aren't all that's to blame. This applies to everything, more or less, that's been alive. And that's the beautify of life. It somehow tricks everything into thinking it's amazing and worthwhile, whilst silently, and connivingly plotting the deterioration of everything in it, one way or another.

And there's no solution to it, either.

I think some people just realize it earlier in life if they grow up in situation like yours. I used to think people were nice and evil was the minority. Shit was I wrong Live and learn. I look back now and laugh at my ignorance. I would give anything to have not seen or heard so many of the things I have.