Wanting suicide is seeing life for what it really is

[FuneralCry]

I believe that in a world like this, wanting suicide is perfectly rational, it's what makes sense for me. It's the rational response to seeing the world for what it really is, which is endless suffering and cruelty which will continue as more humans are brought into this world. It's all for no purpose as well, there is no point to living and there was never a need for life to be a thing in the first place. As long as someone stays alive, things could get so much worse at any moment with nothing we can do to prevent it. We cannot prepare ourselves for the horrors that lie ahead, as we don't know what lies ahead, but all that is guaranteed is suffering in some form. Death prevents this and rather than having to deal with dread for the future and the misery in the current moment, there is peaceful non existence which is ideal. In eternal dreamless sleep we cannot think or feel and there is no worries or concerns, so therefore it could never be irrational to want this despite what pro lifers say.

Nobody can say life is good as all that humans have to look forward to is old age where they will deteriorate. The human body is a prison and we are all trapped as long as we exist. I would rather see life for what it really is rather than be deluded into believing that there is something positive about living, as if you believe in delusions it will only cause you to suffer more when those beliefs are shattered and you are forced to face reality. Positive views towards life just invalidates how horrifying life really is. As in a life like this things will just get worse. As humans we are all alone and nobody will ever fully understand our pain. We are all trapped with our own thoughts. Life is certainly very depressing and seeing life for what it really is, is enough to make anyone suicidal. I strongly believe that there is nothing after this and this thought brings me comfort, because even know everything is horrible now, suffering is only temporary and eventually we will be free. I've spent my whole life longing for death because life has never felt right.

 

[Smart No More]

I think there's an important distinction to make here. Whilst some people's desire to ctb is entirely rational and a result of their clear view of their situation this doesn't mean suicidality indicates a person sees the world as it is and is therefore rational. Its really not that simple. Life can be enjoyable for some, even when things are shitty and visa versa.

The problem we face (and maybe what's fueling your post) is that suicide is largely considered irrational by doctors, psychiatry and society. That is obviously immensely frustrating but I think, as I said, it's important not to fight that with the counter offensive sentiment that all suicide is the result of rationality. That's not to say there isn't logical reason behind it. But it's not inherently rational. I suppose this could be what make it so hard to quantify and address it in a way that makes it common consensus because every case requires it's own understanding and merit if you're looking for understanding and agreement or in particular, assistance. The public seem unable or uninclined to extend their efforts out far enough to understand this. Those that already understand but aren't suicidal themselves don't feel the immediate need to address or lobby for understanding and 'justice' so it might be a heated debate at a party between friends but that's where it stays. Because lets be honest people are more driven to speak up on matters to indicate what their views mean about them and the bigger picture or cause is often left by the wayside. Then there's those that are currently suicidal and aware of the rational side of it but less inclined to fight for the common understanding because they're in it and fighting their own fight now. I think it's fair to say the first group of people probably often find themselves becoming the second group and become painfully aware of their previous nonchalance.

Paying that forward probably dies along with many a successful ctb.

 

[Ms.Starr]

I believe that in a world like this, wanting suicide is perfectly rational, it's what makes sense for me. It's the rational response to seeing the world for what it really is, which is endless suffering and cruelty which will continue as more humans are brought into this world. It's all for no purpose as well, there is no point to living and there was never a need for life to be a thing in the first place. As long as someone stays alive, things could get so much worse at any moment with nothing we can do to prevent it. We cannot prepare ourselves for the horrors that lie ahead, as we don't know what lies ahead, but all that is guaranteed is suffering in some form. Death prevents this and rather than having to deal with dread for the future and the misery in the current moment, there is peaceful non existence which is ideal. In eternal dreamless sleep we cannot think or feel and there is no worries or concerns, so therefore it could never be irrational to want this despite what pro lifers say.

Nobody can say life is good as all that humans have to look forward to is old age where they will deteriorate. The human body is a prison and we are all trapped as long as we exist. I would rather see life for what it really is rather than be deluded into believing that there is something positive about living, as if you believe in delusions it will only cause you to suffer more when those beliefs are shattered and you are forced to face reality. Positive views towards life just invalidates how horrifying life really is. As in a life like this things will just get worse. As humans we are all alone and nobody will ever fully understand our pain. We are all trapped with our own thoughts. Life is certainly very depressing and seeing life for what it really is, is enough to make anyone suicidal. I strongly believe that there is nothing after this and this thought brings me comfort, because even know everything is horrible now, suffering is only temporary and eventually we will be free. I've spent my whole life longing for death because life has never felt right.

I am in full agreement with everything you typed above. Cheers! We see things for what they are. We are fully awake and it is frightening.

 

[Darkover]

the human condition is horrible indeed, but there are new life forms on the way that will surpass biological machinery and human level integience plus we are working on quantum computers to vastly incress the speed of computation enabling the simulation of vast systems like earths itself in 100 years time, in the future regrowing lost limbs will be possible all kinds of thing will become possible its only because computers are so slow at math that we are stuck in our current situation

 

[DeadManLiving]

This is how I've always reasoned. It takes an strict amount of object reasoning. Although the subjective aspect of a potential hope creates this ambivalence.

 

[foreverfalling]

And most people will do everything to ignore what life really is, all for the sake of living and going on.

 

[Justnotme]

Personally, the idea that I will end my "life" by suicide, and animals and people will come to earth and suffer, drives me crazy now during my lifetime. It's killing me and burning everything in me. I would like to destroy the earth and the human mind. A planet shouldn't exist just because someone is happy on it. I don't think that after death, people who were happy here will feel upset. Therefore, it would be good to get rid of the human mind forever, capable of cruelty, get rid of Earthly rules where animals betray each other, tearing apart. I don't understand how such cruelty could happen in the universe at all. It's just unbearable, unthinkable.
I am shocked by how nature has arranged our mind, the mind of all living beings, the planet

 

[AliceTheGoon]

And most people will do everything to ignore what life really is, all for the sake of living and going on.

We're supposed to have natural chemical buffers to prevent us from seeing life as a pointless existence in an uncaring universe at least long enough to procreate. I think alcohol increases the buffer and marijuana decreases the buffer.

 

[drmihilo]

I don't believe there is any truth or rationality to be achieved in life. Anything within the bounds of life, including suicide, is something a priori irrational and false, because it should not be the reverse... Yes, non-existence is much better than any being, because nothing will hurt, unlike something. Does this speak to the rationality of suicide? Hardly... Rather, non-existence itself as something natural and primordial, rather than something invented by man, is rational.

This is not an argument against suicide; it is an argument against the rationality of voluntary death.

Thank you for sharing.

 

[Astral Storm]

A planet shouldn't exist just because someone is happy on it. I don't think that after death, people who were happy here will feel upset. Therefore, it would be good to get rid of the human mind forever, capable of cruelty, get rid of Earthly rules where animals betray each other, tearing apart. I don't understand how such cruelty could happen in the universe at all. It's just unbearable, unthinkable.

I feel you so much. I totally understand your despair and hopelessnees about all of this. The good things in life doesn't justify the horrible things like suffering, cruelty and torture. Nothing can justify this amount of cruelty and violence in the world. This whole world is continously soaking in blood. There's so much meaningless suffering and torment here. It's truly unbearable and hopeless.

 

[Justnotme]

I feel you so much. I totally understand your despair and hopelessnees about all of this. The good things in life doesn't justify the horrible things like suffering, cruelty and torture. Nothing can justify this amount of cruelty and violence in the world. This whole world is continously soaking in blood. There's so much meaningless suffering and torment here. It's truly unbearable and hopeless.

Hug you. I don't feel so lonely knowing that there is a person on another piece of the planet who has the same feelings as me. Although, on the other hand, it is certainly terrible to experience such mental pain....

 

[Final-push123]

Yeah, I meam there a reason people ingore reality. It because reality is damaging to human mental health. Realizing that life is pointless and painful will cause even the best among us to want to ctb.

That why if want to live you got to learn the art of self delusion

 

[AUTIST777]

That why if want to live you got to learn the art of self delusion

I fucked up that function of my brain by taking massive amounts of psychedelics at a young age. Realizing the ego is futile, especially from lsd made me notice that nothing you do on this planet really matters.

 

[Euthanza]

Death should be seen as awesome relief, a peaceful journey, an expected pleasure, an ultimate freedom above god ... but look at the society, look how they cornered us here to even talk about peaceful methods. The richest and the stupid want to live forever for whatever the reasons, it's dumb fucked world we're living in, this tragedy ends with me. There's simply no good in life without true L.O.V.E (Legal Options of Voluntary Euthanasia)

 

[OverSoon]

Why can't an individual make a choice to ctb, but it's ok to send people unwilling into situations where death is certain and that's ok?

 

[Void Chaser Ashe]

I believe that in a world like this, wanting suicide is perfectly rational, it's what makes sense for me. It's the rational response to seeing the world for what it really is, which is endless suffering and cruelty which will continue as more humans are brought into this world. It's all for no purpose as well, there is no point to living and there was never a need for life to be a thing in the first place. As long as someone stays alive, things could get so much worse at any moment with nothing we can do to prevent it. We cannot prepare ourselves for the horrors that lie ahead, as we don't know what lies ahead, but all that is guaranteed is suffering in some form. Death prevents this and rather than having to deal with dread for the future and the misery in the current moment, there is peaceful non existence which is ideal. In eternal dreamless sleep we cannot think or feel and there is no worries or concerns, so therefore it could never be irrational to want this despite what pro lifers say.

Honestly, this part right here is what fuels my belief in anti-natalism and pro-choice suicide. I truly believe that it's disgusting we are brough into this world without our consent and we have to leave the same way? Nah, I want to be able to leave when I choose.

 

[makethepainstop]

Honestly, this part right here is what fuels my belief in anti-natalism and pro-choice suicide. I truly believe that it's disgusting we are brough into this world without our consent and we have to leave the same way? Nah, I want to be able to leave when I choose.

I have to agree, so many suffer. Yet the do-gooders have have legions and swarms of medical and religious types to force you continue to play an unwanted game.

 

[Ineedtodie]

I think being suicidal is seeing the world for what it really is as violent conflicted and cruel. And not being able to fake it or act accordingly but instead being the target of its unfairness.

 

[nolongersuicidal?]

I believe that in a world like this, wanting suicide is perfectly rational, it's what makes sense for me. It's the rational response to seeing the world for what it really is, which is endless suffering and cruelty which will continue as more humans are brought into this world. It's all for no purpose as well, there is no point to living and there was never a need for life to be a thing in the first place. As long as someone stays alive, things could get so much worse at any moment with nothing we can do to prevent it. We cannot prepare ourselves for the horrors that lie ahead, as we don't know what lies ahead, but all that is guaranteed is suffering in some form. Death prevents this and rather than having to deal with dread for the future and the misery in the current moment, there is peaceful non existence which is ideal. In eternal dreamless sleep we cannot think or feel and there is no worries or concerns, so therefore it could never be irrational to want this despite what pro lifers say.

Nobody can say life is good as all that humans have to look forward to is old age where they will deteriorate. The human body is a prison and we are all trapped as long as we exist. I would rather see life for what it really is rather than be deluded into believing that there is something positive about living, as if you believe in delusions it will only cause you to suffer more when those beliefs are shattered and you are forced to face reality. Positive views towards life just invalidates how horrifying life really is. As in a life like this things will just get worse. As humans we are all alone and nobody will ever fully understand our pain. We are all trapped with our own thoughts. Life is certainly very depressing and seeing life for what it really is, is enough to make anyone suicidal. I strongly believe that there is nothing after this and this thought brings me comfort, because even know everything is horrible now, suffering is only temporary and eventually we will be free. I've spent my whole life longing for death because life has never felt right.

Your posts always slap. I'm too much of a p*say to kill myself in accessible ways such as jumping in front of a train or from a building cuz those are scary. But like I feel like I could have lived on despite being aware that life is meaningless if it wasn't for trauma. There's a reason that data shows psychiatric institutionalization increases risk of suicide. Like you have this thing set up to help with mental health issues, but you have data showing people are coming out of there more suicidal. And then you wonder why you have sites like this. The people who need mental health help the post are just getting more damaged (sometimes). Like I got to see a psychiatrist so that I could get treated and become somewhat sane enough to at least pretend I'm normal, but despite feeling that life was meaningless and also having previous trauma, I didn't wanna kill myself until after my institutionalization which I wouldn't necessarily blame anyone for due to alot of diverse reasons like realizing it's more institutional. But like idk, I miss having a passion for life. And bouls that say suicide is a permanent solution to temporary problem, clearly don't understand trauma. If I had the mental energy, I would go to law school and work in the legal field to form policy for euthanasia. Obv it would never get completely allowed cuz the government can't be having 9-5 workers killing themselves. The economy would collapse, but like people with serious trauma should be allowed to get relief, would be start to developing that policy. I think i would definitely meet the qualifications for that. We could take notes from Canada. Like either give me autonomy to recover from my trauma and get healthcare or let me die. I think if we have advanced so far in society, at least build a society where people can attempt to reach their fullest potential. And if they have the education, healthcare, resources to reach their potential and still want to die, let them talk to a professional trained in euthanasiation and then proceed from there. You can't create a society that deprives people of their basic needs and than b*tch about it when they want to die. I feel like people who discourage others from suicide are selfish cuz they do it cuz they don't want to feel guilt and bad about themselves; I say that cuz I'm like that. I would never encourage someone to kill themselves cuz I'm a selfish human being who doesn't want to feel guilty…despite having well understanding about what it feels like to spend ur days wanting to die.

 

[SamTam33]

...The good things in life doesn't justify the horrible things like suffering, cruelty and torture. Nothing can justify this amount of cruelty and violence in the world. This whole world is continously soaking in blood. There's so much meaningless suffering and torment here...

Great point. Especially in response to those who say there's some good in the world OR some people are happy.

Yes. That's understood. But it's not enough to offset the bad. I don't understand why people don't understand that.

If a region is defined as 'mountainous' that doesn't mean the entire surface is covered in mountains. But a lot of it is.

In the US, if a state is described as 'a blue state' that doesn't mean every citizen is a Democrat. But the majority of voters are.

If a school is underperforming and you point out that some students are excelling, then you're countering a macro-level condition with micro-level examples. And they don't count.

Also, I think people conflate/equate not being suicidal with being happy.

There's a world of difference between the two.

I believe non-suicidal, UNhappy people make up the vast majority of people on earth.