VSED tips?

[lupussucks224]

Anyone have any tips for leaving my house going into the forest and letting myself die of starvation/dehydration. This is my only option I don't have any other materials or money. And I have to do it there's no other options. Before May. I wld really appreciate the tips

 

[Aprilfarewell4]

If you can, get a tent a sleeping bag and a pillow. You want to stay warm and out of the rain if it happens. Other than that the only thing is your commitment, you have to stop eating and drinking and just not do those things. don't bring any food or water with you. If you're going to drive there, close your eyes spin around and throw your car keys somewhere where you won't be able to find them. If you want to stop yourself from backing out there might be other methods, but I don't know, you should have the opportunity to back out if you want so it's difficult to say. Comes down to commitment people have done it and succeeded. I wish I could message you I think we could help each other.

 

[lupussucks224]

If you can, get a tent a sleeping bag and a pillow. You want to stay warm and out of the rain if it happens. Other than that the only thing is your commitment, you have to stop eating and drinking and just not do those things. don't bring any food or water with you. If you're going to drive there, close your eyes spin around and throw your car keys somewhere where you won't be able to find them. If you want to stop yourself from backing out there might be other methods, but I don't know, you should have the opportunity to back out if you want so it's difficult to say. Comes down to commitment people have done it and succeeded. I wish I could message you I think we could help each other.

Thank you I don't have a tent so there's a chance that I would get attacked by an animal or something. I just can't live a life where I'm stupid I don't even care that my appearance changed. I had so much potential to be a successful person. I now have nothing and this is my only way out. I can't live the rest of my life dumb and sick.

 

[rozeske]

My tip is don't attempt this method, it's not as easy as not eating and drinking and just drifting off to sleep. It's a lot harder than what people assume it to be. Many have tried this and stopped as they couldn't let themselves continue the suffering. If you can help it you are better off choosing any other method that isn't this one. But if you decided to go through with it, give yourself a means to back out. No one deserves to take more extended suffering just to escape their current one.

 

[lupussucks224]

My tip is don't attempt this method, it's not as easy as not eating and drinking and just drifting off to sleep. It's a lot harder than what people assume it to be. Many have tried this and stopped as they couldn't let themselves continue the suffering. If you can help it you are better off choosing any other method that isn't this one. But if you decided to go through with it, give yourself a means to back out. No one deserves to take more extended suffering just to escape their current one.

I really don't have any other options tho

 

[rozeske]

I really don't have any other options tho

Have you looked through this? In my opinion any of them are better alternatives but in the end the choice is yours.

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[willitpass]

My tip is don't attempt this method, it's not as easy as not eating and drinking and just drifting off to sleep. It's a lot harder than what people assume it to be. Many have tried this and stopped as they couldn't let themselves continue the suffering. If you can help it you are better off choosing any other method that isn't this one. But if you decided to go through with it, give yourself a means to back out. No one deserves to take more extended suffering just to escape their current one.

It becomes extremely uncomfortable and you will be hit with a ravenous hunger and thirst. I wasn't in the woods when I attempted this, so I ended up stuffing my face with anything I could get my hands on after 5 days. But I was so ravenous I could honestly say if I was in the woods I would have drank from a stream and eaten off the forest floor. It was like another entity took over me. This method is much harder than people realise.

 

[LaughingGoat]

I really don't have any other options tho

People have done it with as simple as a cut from a shard of glass. I love the analytical process of this site trying to find the most efficacious techniques and agree with the importance of preparation, but I think sometimes we make it sound more complicated than it actually is. Most attempts fail because people choose low lethality methods combined with not being in a remote location or si stops them.

 

[Aprilfarewell4]

People have done it with as simple as a cut from a shard of glass. I love the analytical process of this site trying to find the most efficacious techniques and agree with the importance of preparation, but I think sometimes we make it sound more complicated than it actually is. Most attempts fail because people choose low lethality methods combined with not being in a remote location or si stops them.

I agree. No one who serious doesn't go through with it. That's just the truth. Prison inmates have hung themselves with their bed sheets or their socks. If someone can't do it should let them know that their situation isn't as bad they might feel. Everyone who's dead now from suicide was bad enough, and that's why they did it.

 

[willitpass]

I agree. No one who serious doesn't go through with it. That's just the truth. Prison inmates have hung themselves with their bed sheets or their socks. If someone can't do it should let them know that their situation isn't as bad they might feel. Everyone who's dead now from suicide was bad enough, and that's why they did it.

That method of thinking is highly oversimplified. Humans are hardwired to live. Survival instinct is human nature. I have been severely depressed my entire life and ran out of treatment options years ago. I have been so close to death that I've received CPR. I've been told by doctors I shouldn't have survived the things I have. Sometimes surviving CTB is just shit luck, not a lack of wanting to. I'm not alive because "my situation isn't as bad as I might feel". I am in hell every day. Telling someone they didn't die because things aren't that bad is harmful and rude in my opinion.

People have done it with as simple as a cut from a shard of glass. I love the analytical process of this site trying to find the most efficacious techniques and agree with the importance of preparation, but I think sometimes we make it sound more complicated than it actually is. Most attempts fail because people choose low lethality methods combined with not being in a remote location or si stops them.

Here's the key to your statement. Low lethality methods. VSED outside of hospice patients is a low lethality method. Meaning the likelihood of trying it and dying is very low.

 

[LaughingGoat]

Here's the key to your statement. Low lethality methods. VSED outside of hospice patients is a low lethality method. Meaning the likelihood of trying it and dying is very low.

I agree with you, why I lean heavily towards violent methods. Same reason men have much higher success rates than women in suicide.

 

[rozeske]

I'm not alive because "my situation isn't as bad as I might feel". I am in hell every day. Telling someone they didn't die because things aren't that bad is harmful and rude in my opinion.

Suicide is much easier talked about than done. It's a hard to fully understand thing and Imo you never truly understand it unless you have been in that place and attempted.

 

[willitpass]

I agree with you, why I lean heavily towards violent methods. Same reason men have much higher success rates than women in suicide.

Slower methods give more time for backing out, and VSED is about as long as it gets. You are quite literally going against every single thing human instinct tells you to do. To slowly wither away while fighting the urge to eat and drink is beyond difficult. Difficult doesn't even describe half of what it takes to succeed in this unless you are on heavy doses of painkillers.

Many times when people come here and say why a method won't/is highly unlikely to work it isn't trying to overcomplicate things. It is trying to spare people unnecessary suffering. Some people say something won't work just based off of hearsay or gut feeling, but some of us here have medical knowledge as well as personal experience. If someone suggests something and you have comment after comment saying "do not try this", it is probably warranted to give it a second thought. If you still believe something will work despite what everyone is saying, you have every right to do it anyway, but I would suggest hitting the books yourself before trying. We aren't just fear mongering. We are talking about life and death here.

 

[LaughingGoat]

Slower methods give more time for backing out, and VSED is about as long as it gets. You are quite literally going against every single thing human instinct tells you to do. To slowly wither away while fighting the urge to eat and drink is beyond difficult. Difficult doesn't even describe half of what it takes to succeed in this unless you are on heavy doses of painkillers.

Many times when people come here and say why a method won't/is highly unlikely to work it isn't trying to overcomplicate things. It is trying to spare people unnecessary suffering. Some people say something won't work just based off of hearsay or gut feeling, but some of us here have medical knowledge as well as personal experience. If someone suggests something and you have comment after comment saying "do not try this", it is probably warranted to give it a second thought. If you still believe something will work despite what everyone is saying, you have every right to do it anyway, but I would suggest hitting the books yourself before trying. We aren't just fear mongering. We are talking about life and death here.

Definitely, I did not communicate what I meant well. By violent methods, I meant firearms, hanging, etc. Certainly wasn't referring to VSED, which is as non-violent and painful as it gets. In regards to complexity of methods and unnecessary suffering, I agree with providing all the information possible so someone makes an informed decision. At the same time, people have been committing suicide since antiquity, so it's not like solving the fermi paradox. In essence, I agree with all your points and don't mean to imply your are fear-mongering, just that I see death as far simpler than it gets made out sometimes.

 

[willitpass]

Definitely, I did not communicate what I meant well. By violent methods, I meant firearms, hanging, etc. Certainly wasn't referring to VSED, which is as non-violent and painful as it gets. In regards to complexity of methods and unnecessary suffering, I agree with providing all the information possible so someone makes an informed decision. At the same time, people have been committing suicide since antiquity, so it's not like solving the fermi paradox. In essence, I agree with all your points and don't mean to imply your are fear-mongering, just that I see death as far simpler than it gets made out sometimes.

I know you were referring to VSED as non violent, I was more referencing the first post. And while people have been committing suicide for as long as time, people have also failed at committing suicide for as long as time. If it were that easy to off yourself there wouldn't be waiting lists for psych wards. This site wouldn't exist if offing yourself were as simple as picking a method and deciding you want to die hard enough. A successful suicide comes ultimately comes down to a certain degree of luck. Some people happen to find the stars line up just right that they down a half a bottle of Tylenol and they're gone. Other people (myself included) have tried multiple highly lethal methods of suicide and somehow got unlucky enough to still be here after years and years.

 

[Little_Suzy]

In many ways, hospice-style VSED ensures the patient's comfort while alleviating the pain associated with dying.

You can easily find photos of famine victims online.

Despite all odds, skeletal women continue to give birth, and their babies live a long time.

Famine - Wikipedia

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[LaughingGoat]

I know you were referring to VSED as non violent, I was more referencing the first post. And while people have been committing suicide for as long as time, people have also failed at committing suicide for as long as time. If it were that easy to off yourself there wouldn't be waiting lists for psych wards. This site wouldn't exist if offing yourself were as simple as picking a method and deciding you want to die hard enough. A successful suicide comes ultimately comes down to a certain degree of luck. Some people happen to find the stars line up just right that they down a half a bottle of Tylenol and they're gone. Other people (myself included) have tried multiple highly lethal methods of suicide and somehow got unlucky enough to still be here after years and years.

My argument would be to look at how low failure rates of SIGSW to the head are. You say this site wouldn't exist if people could just pick a method and die, but how many people on this site are gunshot survivors of the brain, even survival rates of hanging are very low. While I understand not every country has easy access to guns, I've lived in numerous parts of the world and can absolutely say you don't have to travel far from any country that has low access to get somewhere where you can get a gun. I often see people on this site say they wish they lived in America or that they had access to a gun and that is where I see a disconnect in one's motivation to follow through. I've lived in England where guns are supposedly impossible to get and know that is absolutely not the case. Australians can get a plane ticket to the Philippines, where you can absolutely acquire a gun if you are set on it. Hanging have been around for thousands of years and is highly effective, even in short drop form not even adding long drop. If someone is trying to down a bottle of Tylenol to commit, then they aren't choosing a very effective method. Luck has a lot less to do with it statistically than effective method/environment. I worked in a psychiatric setting for nearly a decade and saw that the overwhelmingly majority of our patients who attempted (and obviously survived) had used methods with high survival rates. You don't see a lot of gunshot survivors and the hanging survivors usually made common mistakes like using insufficient load bearing or attempting in non-remote settings.

I know this opinion is controversial in these forums since no one wants to hear they're not 100% committed. 1) There is nothing wrong if someone isn't, in the same sense I don't want others to feel suicidal, just want everyone to feel at peace 2) saying someone still has SI or some part of them that wants to live and get better is not an attempt to demean their suffering or say that "they don't have it bad".

 

[willitpass]

My argument would be to look at how low failure rates of SIGSW to the head are. You say this site wouldn't exist if people could just pick a method and die, but how many people on this site are gunshot survivors of the brain, even survival rates of hanging are very low. While I understand not every country has easy access to guns, I've lived in numerous parts of the world and can absolutely say you don't have to travel far from any country that has low access to get somewhere where you can get a gun. I often see people on this site say they wish they lived in America or that they had access to a gun and that is where I see a disconnect in one's motivation to follow through. I've lived in England where guns are supposedly impossible to get and know that is absolutely not the case. Australians can get a plane ticket to the Philippines, where you can absolutely acquire a gun if you are set on it. Hanging have been around for thousands of years and is highly effective, even in short drop form not even adding long drop. If someone is trying to down a bottle of Tylenol to commit, then they aren't choosing a very effective method. Luck has a lot less to do with it statistically than effective method/environment. I worked in a psychiatric setting for nearly a decade and saw that the overwhelmingly majority of our patients who attempted (and obviously survived) had used methods with high survival rates. You don't see a lot of gunshot survivors and the hanging survivors usually made common mistakes like using insufficient load bearing or attempting in non-remote settings.

I know this opinion is controversial in these forums since no one wants to hear they're not 100% committed. 1) There is nothing wrong if someone isn't, in the same sense I don't want others to feel suicidal, just want everyone to feel at peace 2) saying someone still has SI or some part of them that wants to live and get better is not an attempt to demean their suffering or say that "they don't have it bad".

I'm not saying people don't survive due to an underlying desire to live, but it isn't a one size fits all solution to why it happens. I myself have survived hanging because my body continued to stand up and take the pressure off while unconscious. I continued to lay back down until after 7-10 times of passing out and waking up the pressure in my head was so excruciating my body would not let me anymore. I went over a dam in the river in the middle of winter and somehow made it out without a scratch. My only attempt where it was a "bad environment" was being found during SN and given CPR and being rushed to the hospital. People have survived gun shots to the head. People have survived jumping off the Golden Gate bridge. Not a suicide, but a woman survived a car crash where she was ejected from the car with such force she ended up hanging from a power line by her leg. People can survive incredible things. It is not fair to say that anyone who lives does so because they didn't try hard enough or didn't actually want to die.

There isn't anything wrong with still having a will to live, and there is nothing wrong with having SI, but I think the notion that if someone really wants it they'll find a way over simplifies the issue.

 

[LaughingGoat]

I'm not saying people don't survive due to an underlying desire to live, but it isn't a one size fits all solution to why it happens. I myself have survived hanging because my body continued to stand up and take the pressure off while unconscious. I continued to lay back down until after 7-10 times of passing out and waking up the pressure in my head was so excruciating my body would not let me anymore. I went over a dam in the river in the middle of winter and somehow made it out without a scratch. My only attempt where it was a "bad environment" was being found during SN and given CPR and being rushed to the hospital. People have survived gun shots to the head. People have survived jumping off the Golden Gate bridge. Not a suicide, but a woman survived a car crash where she was ejected from the car with such force she ended up hanging from a power line by her leg. People can survive incredible things. It is not fair to say that anyone who lives does so because they didn't try hard enough or didn't actually want to die.

There isn't anything wrong with still having a will to live, and there is nothing wrong with having SI, but I think the notion that if someone really wants it they'll find a way over simplifies the issue.

Like any statement there are exceptions. I can say humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes, but there are of course exceptions to that. Have people survived gunshots to the brain, sure, but at such small rates that they are an exception to the rule. There was a man who had a metal rod through his brain and lived for 12 years after, but it's fair to say if you eject a metal rod through your brain, you're statistically almost certain to die. When you attempted hanging, were you suspended and what was your drop height?

 

[soleil]

It took this man 58 days

Gardener, 47, starved himself to death while camping in woods as he kept 58-day diary detailing the effects of not eating

Thomas Hall, 47, of St Davids in Pembrokeshire, Wales, started the diary when he refused to take any food on a camping trip into deep woodlands.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[elderDrifter]

It took this man 58 days

Gardener, 47, starved himself to death while camping in woods as he kept 58-day diary detailing the effects of not eating

Thomas Hall, 47, of St Davids in Pembrokeshire, Wales, started the diary when he refused to take any food on a camping trip into deep woodlands.

www.dailymail.co.uk

From reading the article it's hard to say whether or not he went without water or not. I imagine if he really went without water it would've been a shorter duration. But it's hard to say.