Discussion Views on abortion?

[Holu]

The differences between the opinions of women are trivial at best.

Just like you said yourself, women hate incels. If your argument was correct wouldn't there be incel allies? Or incelsexuals?. I'm not saying women are a monolith but a lot of their beliefs are universal

Incel allies exist lmao, and in the same way some women are attracted to deranged psychopath misogynists I'm 100% sure there are women who are attracted to men who exhibit incel characteristics. As for saying their beliefs are universal I'm genuinely confused. Its like saying women are all democrats, which if your going off Gallup data, the majority of women are democrats(53% dem to 44% rep) sure but there is still a sizable amount of republicans. Not to mention age differences bringing about different ideologies, with women ages 50-64 being mostly Republican(25% dem to 37% rep). Even if your talking the belief that I'll agree is held by the vast majority of women, which is that incel ideology is bad, the actual factors for why many women feel as such varies, as be it from experience of harassment from incels to a disagreement with the misogyny, or an objection to the dehumanization women aren't all just born with the same rationale which makes them oppose incel ideologies. And therein lies another complexity of humans, the fact that we can reach the same conclusion through different points(and also reach opposing conclusions through the same points).

 

[LiuKang]

Incel allies exist lmao, and in the same way some women are attracted to deranged psychopath misogynists I'm 100% sure there are women who are attracted to men who exhibit incel characteristics. As for saying their beliefs are universal I'm genuinely confused. Its like saying women are all democrats, which if your going off Gallup data, the majority of women are democrats(53% dem to 44% rep) sure but there is still a sizable amount of republicans. Not to mention age differences bringing about different ideologies, with women ages 50-64 being mostly Republican(25% dem to 37% rep). Even if your talking the belief that I'll agree is held by the vast majority of women, which is that incel ideology is bad, the actual factors for why many women feel as such varies, as be it from experience of harassment from incels to a disagreement with the misogyny, or an objection to the dehumanization. And therein lies another complexity of humans, the fact that we can reach the same conclusion through different points(and also reach opposing conclusions through the same points).

A lot of women like misogynistic men, sure. Likely coming from trauma.

No women would see a lonely short ugly man and comfort him, pat his head, call him a good boy and spoon him. I just doesn't happen

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Incelsexual is a joke thing on .is. I've made piss take threads like "all feminists are incelsexuals!" And it gets feminists panties in a knot because we are the most disgusting thing they can imagine.

Buddy, your panties are literally in a twist right now. You have no room to come after them for that.

Incels are looked down upon for their misogynistic views of women. The meaning of the word has changed over time for a reason. Hell, your response to someone pointing out the women's bodily autonomy when talking about abortion was to literally say "meh". Instead of bothering to reflect on why the majority of women don't like incels you instead play victim, acting as though you are part of an oppressed group. Instead of trying to critically examine the question of why your worth, as a man, has to be based on you losing your virginity as soon as possible and being hypersexual and having a bunch of relationships, you instead mope around in a self-loathing haze. It's not appealing.

 

[LiuKang]

Buddy, your panties are literally in a twist right now. You have no room to come after them for that.

they aren't really.

 

[WhiteRabbit]

Of course an Elliot Rodger pfp.

 

[LiuKang]

Of course an Elliot Rodger pfp.

lol

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Of course an Elliot Rodger pfp.

Fuck! Their pfp is of Elliot Rodger?! It's the General Alek situation all over again.

 

[LiuKang]

Fuck! Their pfp is of Elliot Rodger?! It's the General Alek situation all over again.

GENERAL ALEK CAME HERE! IM LAUGHING SO HARD

 

[GuessWhosBack]

The dehumanisation of incels is why no one is open to having conversations about body dysmorphia within the incel community

As a guy struggling with BDD since way before I knew what sex was, I have a genuine question.

Why are you seeking support for BDD within incel communities?

 

[LiuKang]

As a guy struggling with BDD since way before I knew what sex was, I have a genuine question.

Why are you seeking support for BDD within incel communities?

I don't have bdd, that's just they way I look unfortunately.

But a lot ppl on .is suffer from Body dysmorphia.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

GENERAL ALEK CAME HERE! IM LAUGHING SO HARD

You aren't helping your case dude

 

[LiuKang]

You aren't helping your case dude

Sorry mb, he tried to invite me to his new site because he keeps getting banned off .is. Just funny cowinkydink that he came here

 

[Tesha]

Of course an Elliot Rodger pfp.

Oh FFS.

LiuKang, please establish an exclusive retirement home for all the incels, that you can lovingly share. Then you can spend hours together sharing your views without fear of embarrassment.

 

[hawkoflight]

It's a clump of cells. If someone is not ready, the pregnancy is not viable/could kill the carrier, or the pregnancy was a product of SA, they deserve to have the choice. That's it. It's a choice. You don't have to like it, but you have to give the person the right to choose it.

 

[LiuKang]

Oh FFS.

LiuKang, please establish an exclusive retirement home for all the incels, that you can lovingly share. Then you can spend hours together sharing your views without fear of embarrassment.

Will there be any women there?

 

[LiuKang]

It's a clump of cells. If someone is not ready, the pregnancy is not viable/could kill the carrier, or the pregnancy was a product of SA, they deserve to have the choice. That's it. It's a choice. You don't have to like it, but you have to give the person the right to choose it.

Yeah ig

 

[LiuKang]

Of course an Elliot Rodger pfp.

Changed it .

Didn't expect anything to notice

 

[mrpeter]

Buddy, your panties are literally in a twist right now. You have no room to come after them for that.

Incels are looked down upon for their misogynistic views of women. The meaning of the word has changed over time for a reason. Hell, your response to someone pointing out the women's bodily autonomy when talking about abortion was to literally say "meh". Instead of bothering to reflect on why the majority of women don't like incels you instead play victim, acting as though you are part of an oppressed group. Instead of trying to critically examine the question of why your worth, as a man, has to be based on you losing your virginity as soon as possible and being hypersexual and having a bunch of relationships, you instead mope around in a self-loathing haze. It's not appealing.

opinion on race pill

 

[locked*n*loaded]

If you're a woman you should be happy a incel is leaving the world, If you're a normie you should be sad you'll lose someone to bully and if you're Chad you shouldn't care

Well, certainly not a woman. Not a normie, either. See that's what's wrong with you haters, in your case, haters of women. You didn't even understand my comment correctly and, with the mindset you have, immediately think anything someone says is meant as some negative dig towards you.

What my comment really meant is that I didn't know what to say because I think it's stupid, yes stupid, to end your life just because you're not getting anywhere with women at the present time. But, I see the hatred is just so engrained into every fiber of your being, that you'll never be able to relate with anyone on an emotional, human like level. It's obvious you think that it's all about your needs so just fuck everyone else and what they want. I'm more than fairly confident that you're one of "those", those who objectify women as only pieces of meat with no inclination at all to see them as people, people who have their own feelings, emotions, and desires. Just because what they want doesn't happen to line up with what you want isn't their fault. Perhaps if you lowered your expectations instead of only showing interest in the unattainable (to you), you may not be where you are right now.

The funny thing about all this is that I'm pretty much an incel, too. But......I've had my chances, and for all of the reasons that regularly happen to people in relationships, none I was in worked out. But, I don't blame the whole goddamn gender for my woes. I never got all pissy when one, or several over the years, rebuffed my advances. It's just the way it works.

 

[LiuKang]

Well, certainly not a woman. Not a normie, either. See that's what's wrong with you haters, in your case, haters of women. You didn't even understand my comment correctly and, with the mindset you have, immediately think anything someone says is meant as some negative dig towards you.

What my comment really meant is that I didn't know what to say because I think it's stupid, yes stupid, to end your life just because you're not getting anywhere with women at the present time. But, I see the hatred is just so engrained into every fiber of your being, that you'll never be able to relate with anyone on an emotional, human like level. It's obvious you think that it's all about your needs so just fuck everyone else and what they want. I'm more than fairly confident that you're one of "those", those who objectify women as only pieces of meat with no inclination at all to see them as people, people who have their own feelings, emotions, and desires. Just because what they want doesn't happen to line up with what you want isn't their fault. Perhaps if you lowered your expectations instead of only showing interest in the unattainable (to you), you may not be where you are right now.

The funny thing about all this is that I'm pretty much an incel, too. But......I've had my chances, and for all of the reasons that regularly happen to people in relationships, none I was in worked out. But, I don't blame the whole goddamn gender for my woes. I never got all pissy when one, or several over the years, rebuffed my advances. It's just the way it works.

You don't get it bro

 

[lamargue]

having children is a gamble. if you feel that you can't hedge risks by providing an adequate number of resources to your offspring, then i can't see why you should be forced to shoulder that burden in the first place. if your QoL intervenes on the child's happiness, then i would see it as a harmful imposition, in part due to the probability that the child would not be happy in such circumstances, or would eventually grow to become unhappy. if you eliminate social and personal reward, as in cases of pregnant women seeking abortions, then traditional values dictating whether or not it is morally right to have a child are no better than manacles

 

[mrpeter]

Well, certainly not a woman. Not a normie, either. See that's what's wrong with you haters, in your case, haters of women. You didn't even understand my comment correctly and, with the mindset you have, immediately think anything someone says is meant as some negative dig towards you.

What my comment really meant is that I didn't know what to say because I think it's stupid, yes stupid, to end your life just because you're not getting anywhere with women at the present time. But, I see the hatred is just so engrained into every fiber of your being, that you'll never be able to relate with anyone on an emotional, human like level. It's obvious you think that it's all about your needs so just fuck everyone else and what they want. I'm more than fairly confident that you're one of "those", those who objectify women as only pieces of meat with no inclination at all to see them as people, people who have their own feelings, emotions, and desires. Just because what they want doesn't happen to line up with what you want isn't their fault. Perhaps if you lowered your expectations instead of only showing interest in the unattainable (to you), you may not be where you are right now.

The funny thing about all this is that I'm pretty much an incel, too. But......I've had my chances, and for all of the reasons that regularly happen to people in relationships, none I was in worked out. But, I don't blame the whole goddamn gender for my woes. I never got all pissy when one, or several over the years, rebuffed my advances. It's just the way it works.

fakecel

 

[Myforevercharlie]

Please stay ontopic.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Sorry mb, he tried to invite me to his new site because he keeps getting banned off .is. Just funny cowinkydink that he came here

What? I had a brain aneurysm reading that.

I'm just going to leave you with a video showing you the mentality of a true Chad.

 

[sugarb]

I unilaterally support it up until a certain developmental level (4-5~ months ish) after which it becomes infanticide outside of medical necessity. I'm in favor of bodily autonomy but at that point if delivering isn't going to kill you, it's not the product of rape/incest, and the baby is healthy, it's immoral to kill it because delivering would be painful/distressing.

also- brother, get off .is, it's rotting your brain and lowering your QoL. None of it matters. PM me if you'd like me to explain

 

[locked*n*loaded]

You don't get it bro

Oh, I get it. And I get YOU quite well. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt in my first posting I made. But, then you opened your mouth and removed any doubt I had. Still, I think you hate yourself more than you do any woman. I will say after hearing your spiel that any woman of even moderate intelligence would be smart enough to RUN in the other direction should they be on the receiving end of your advances. I doubt you have any idea how to love another person only for who they are.

fakecel

Self-imposed. Probably longer than you've been alive, though. Not that I owe you any explanation, but you see, I had other responsibilities. I was the only child of divorced parents, both of whom needed my help in two different households. With work and helping them, I really had no time to pursue any relationships. Now before I was needed to help them, I had plenty of relationships, including an engagement, although it ended badly. Then my dad got sick. Then my mom got sick. My dad's illnesses went on for over a decade. My mom's illnesses for multiple decades. After work my time was spent helping them. If that's fake, I'll take it any day and I'd never change a thing about how it all went down. Now, I don't even care about relationships. Right, I said relationships. You're really not interested in relationships. You're only interested in "bagging" some hooey. And now we're back to your just objectifying women again and that is at the root of your problems and why things are like they are for you.

Let me ask you this: Have you ever approached a grossly overweight, homely looking woman and expressed an interest to her in asking her out on a date? Why not? You don't feel like she deserves love to? She's not "worthy" of you?

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Wow this thread became really controversial in a way that was somehow not fully expected.

I'm an unattractive incel too but the way I see it, abortion is much like suicide in that it should definitely be a choice just not one to be taken lightly.

 

[BruhXDDDDD]

Not sure where I'd place the line. Maybe 2 or 3 months, but I don't know about human development. Anyway, I think most everyone gets one by then so it's mostly something I don't worry too much about unless there are special circumstances like a cryptic pregnancy idk

 

[Lookingtoflyfree]

Pro-abortion and no man ever has a right to make a law or judge any woman for it. The amount of creepy incels who think their rights matter more than me to my own body - disgusting losers.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Pro-abortion and no man ever has a right to make a law or judge any woman for it. The amount of creepy incels who think their rights matter more than me to my own body - disgusting losers.

You know, one issue with those who are pro-choice (and I'm not saying this to specifically put you down. A lot of us are guilty of this, including myself) is that we have a tendency to act as though it's only men responsible for a lot of the anti-abortion rhetoric that gets spread around, but it isn't. For example, in the US 33 percent of women are against abortion in most or all cases, compared to 38 percent of men. While more men are pro-life, it's not by an enormous amount. Some of the people who you find voting in favour of certain anti-abortion bills in the states are actually women.

When Georgia's Republican Governor Brian Kemp signed HB 481, he effectively made it impossible to access abortion in the state of Georgia. It would be easy to dismiss Governor Kemp as just another man trying to control women's bodies. Yet that characterization misses something crucial: three of HB 481's six sponsors are women—white women. Similarly, Alabama HB 314's primary sponsor is a white woman. Alabama Governor Kay Ivey, a white Republican woman, signed the bill into law.

The anti-abortion movement has a lot of ties, not just with Christianity (especially evangelicalism) and conservative values, but also has ties with race. Treating it as just a group of men trying to control the bodies of women completely ignores the fact that a lot of the people at the forefront of these movements are women (particularly white women) and that, while controlling women's bodies is part of it, the issue is a lot more complex than just that. Patriarchal power structures also intersect with things like systematic racism.


Women in general have a long history of playing a role in a lot of fascist and misogynistic movements all around the world. This gets into a major issue I have with a lot of feminists, which is our tendency to portray women as innocent victims and not recognizing the role that we play in pushing these views. A lot of the women running to the alt-right include women who, before, considered themselves to be feminists and progressives. It's important to acknowledge the roles that women historically had and still do have in pushing things, such as anti-abortion rhetoric and other ideals that fall in line with fascist values.

Also, sorry for this not being a very well-constructed post (most of my posts aren't, but this one is really... something). I just woke up.