Discussion Views on abortion?

[LiuKang]

I support the idea of saving people from this world by killing them before they have to suffer threw it but it's a double edged sword because it promotes hook up culture and benefits the people I hate most.

It benefits young couples, cheaters and chads so I'm not sure how to feel about it. On one hand, it's rather noble to save someone from a world of suffering like ours but on the other hand people use it as an excuse to sleep around. And u hate hook up culture and romance.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

I'm I support of it.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

chads

You incel?

I have complicated views on life and abortion. I do believe, no, I KNOW, that life begins at conception at the EXACT moment that an egg and sperm "get together" and begin the creation of what will become you (or me, or them, or some other). THAT precise moment is when time starts "ticking" and the ageing process begins. From the moment of conception, within the physics parameters that govern our world, how could it be argued that time (ageing) does not start at the moment of conception? The zygote CERTAINLY does not get younger from this stage onward, does it?

That being said, I believe the mother, with some input from the father, has the absolute right to autonomy, and that includes whether to abort the *potential* future person she is carrying. Frankly, there is just no one else who has the right to decide what she does with her own body, and until a baby exits that "magical barrier" between her "inner" world, and this "outer" world that we know, full deference must be given to the mother (with consult of the father when possible), to decide what's best for her, for the father, and for the *potential* person inside of her.

 

[escape_from_hell]

It benefits young couples, cheaters and chads so I'm not sure how to feel about it. On one hand, it's rather noble to save someone from a world of suffering like ours but on the other hand people use it as an excuse to sleep around. And u hate hook up culture and romance.

If we take away the riddles about where life begins, what is murder and the nature of life and murder and all of those infinite pits of discussion, including natalism vs antinatalism (consent to live, guaranteeing or providing a good life vs miserable life) and the list goes on...
There is a big point to consider that may or may not be discussed often (usually avoid abortion debates):
It is undoubtedly whack for the child to be born inherently UNWANTED.

Making abortion illegal will not cause the parents to love it, it might even make them more resentful. The child's love is thereafter reliant on an aftermarket of extra love to spread around: people willing to adopt and be loving, high quality mentors, and other social support networks. In a world where people living in cities of millions go months without REAL human connection in complete psychological isolation and loneliness torture already (I am one of them), is there that much extra love to go around?

I quoted your point about disliking hookup culture and romance because, while I do not share your exact opinion on it, I ask: aren't sexually transmitted diseases a far better deterrent? Those aren't really stopping the debauchery train, so if bloody inflamed itchy sore pus-oozing genitals and life-ending illnesses aren't enough to stop the sex orgy party, is reduced abortion access gonna do the trick? You'll just see a lot more babies in dumpsters or dying in drug dens or being welfare check receiving devices, which enough children already suffer such fates don't you think?

I do wonder why it is not the first line of defense to avoid taking full loads inside as a preventative measure, though. It should be RARE that the condom, birth control, AND day after pill all failed. If the number of rape pregnancies plus all the accidental creampie pregnancies are exceedingly high, it's just crazy to imagine but honestly all the more reason to protect the unwanted kids from being born from such fucked up circumstances.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I support abortion. I think that, in general, most people shouldn't be having kids and that it's better to not procreate. Anti abortion apologists only care about a person being born for wage slavery rather than the quality of life of the person that is thrust into this world against their consent. Sure, I won't deny that many people enjoy life and that there's a higher chance that they'll enjoy life but, in the end, it's still better to not procreate as an unborn being can't crave happiness or feel regret over not being born.

Also, I feel like you overestimate humanity a lot. Even if abortion is illegal, I feel like hook up culture would still exist as many people seem to be infatuated with sex and don't even bother to think about the consequences of having sex. Many people probably put more thought into which restaurant they'll go to eat food than on procreation. It's better if these people, or any people, don't give birth in the first place

 

[Agon321]

I support abortion on demand.
But my reasons for supporting it are different than yours. Your reasons are...specific.

The fact that a woman has an abortion does not have a direct big impact on me, so I don't care.
I am also a supporter of human development, so I think that technologies that can fix people's mistakes are welcome. Yes, I see abortion as fixing a mistake.

I also simply try to take human freedom seriously.
The freedom of your fist ends where the freedom of my nose begins. Of course, this principle is not entirely clear, but it more or less illustrates my approach.
Of course, not in every case, because in some matters I have a somewhat "despotic" approach.

First of all, unlike you, I do not feel complete disgust for this world.
I also think that having children can be something very pleasant and desirable.
I simply want people to have more tools at their disposal and not be forced to have children. And those who want children shouldn't be stigmatized, but that much seems clear.

 

[LiuKang]

You incel?

I have complicated views on life and abortion. I do believe, no, I KNOW, that life begins at conception at the EXACT moment that an egg and sperm "get together" and begin the creation of what will become you (or me, or them, or some other). THAT precise moment is when time starts "ticking" and the ageing process begins. From the moment of conception, within the physics parameters that govern our world, how could it be argued that time (ageing) does not start at the moment of conception? The zygote CERTAINLY does not get younger from this stage onward, does it?

That being said, I believe the mother, with some input from the father, has the absolute right to autonomy, and that includes whether to abort the *potential* future person she is carrying. Frankly, there is just no one else who has the right to decide what she does with her own body, and until a baby exits that "magical barrier" between her "inner" world, and this "outer" world that we know, full deference must be given to the mother (with consult of the father when possible), to decide what's best for her, for the father, and for the *potential* person inside of her.

You are correct. I am a incel, main reason I'm suicidal

 

[LiuKang]

I support abortion on demand.
But my reasons for supporting it are different than yours. Your reasons are...specific.

The fact that a woman has an abortion does not have a direct big impact on me, so I don't care.
I am also a supporter of human development, so I think that technologies that can fix people's mistakes are welcome. Yes, I see abortion as fixing a mistake.

I also simply try to take human freedom seriously.
The freedom of your fist ends where the freedom of my nose begins. Of course, this principle is not entirely clear, but it more or less illustrates my approach.
Of course, not in every case, because in some matters I have a somewhat "despotic" approach.

First of all, unlike you, I do not feel complete disgust for this world.
I also think that having children can be something very pleasant and desirable.
I simply want people to have more tools at their disposal and not be forced to have children. And those who want children shouldn't be stigmatized, but that much seems clear.

I think my disgust for this world is justified. Every aspect of this world is vile. Nature is a cruel thing, look how many die of cancer for example. Every person will experience depression, hatred, loneliness and unfulfilliment till the day they die.

Happiness isn't real, it's just nostalgia from "good times" but if you truly look back you were just as miserable then. Love isn't real either, I don't think I have to explain that one.

We evolved to never be satisfied, to always hunt for more. Those whom stopped chasing died out.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

You are correct. I am a incel, main reason I'm suicidal

I, honestly, just don't have a response to this.

 

[Plentiful_Despair]

Abort as much as possible. Abort, abort, abort, I don't want ANYONE born into this prison planet.

 

[LiuKang]

I, honestly, just don't have a response to this.

If you're a woman you should be happy a incel is leaving the world, If you're a normie you should be sad you'll lose someone to bully and if you're Chad you shouldn't care

 

[LiuKang]

Abort as much as possible. Abort, abort, abort, I don't want ANYONE born into this prison planet.

Incredibly based.

 

[Tesha]

I have a view for whether I would or wouldn't haven't an abortion. For every other women, they should have the right to make their own choice.

 

[LiuKang]

I have a view for whether I would or wouldn't haven't an abortion. For every other women, they should have the right to make their own choice.

Meh.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Meh.

??

 

[Tesha]

Meh.

Gosh, you're a catch…

 

[Holu]

I support the idea of saving people from this world by killing them before they have to suffer threw it but it's a double edged sword because it promotes hook up culture and benefits the people I hate most.

It benefits young couples, cheaters and chads so I'm not sure how to feel about it. On one hand, it's rather noble to save someone from a world of suffering like ours but on the other hand people use it as an excuse to sleep around. And u hate hook up culture and romance.

I want to point out that abortion doesn't come without risk of physiological and psychological consequences. Additionally, it's also a procedure which requires effort, especially if your in a U.S. state which doesn't allow it anymore(even if it's no where near the amount of effort of keeping the child). While sure it promotes hookup culture, so too do contraceptives(I'd argue these promote hookup culture way more).

Meh.

Bro what xD. Are you mehing that women should have a right to make their choice or just the persons view on abortion. Either way what.

 

[pain6batch9]

I always struggle with this one.

First, I would take issue with the idea that everyone being born into this world is destined for a life of misery. That is clearly not the case. Some people do have very nice lives, or indeed, start off with a bad hand but end up making themselves something from it. I would not say that every abortion has prevented a miserable life from happening. Saying that terminating a pregnancy is preventing misery is incorrect.

But, I don't think everyone in our society should get a say. I don't think politics or the state should get a say. I think the medical profession should be there to serve us in our need, rather than being a patrician elite. The are only two people who should get a say. The potential mother and father. There should be counseling if they want it. Even now, the last word she be with the woman who carries the child.

Personally, I think overpopulation is going to cause serious issues in future.

 

[Holu]

If you're a woman you should be happy a incel is leaving the world, If you're a normie you should be sad you'll lose someone to bully and if you're Chad you shouldn't care

I hate to break it to you, but humans are a little too complex to fit into the categories of incel, women, normie, and chad. Furthermore, the reason most people dislike incels isn't because of an innate desire to pick on someone, but it's in defense of women, which most incels view as sex driven irrational creatures, as opposed to a human being capable of sentience and identity. Any amount of interaction with a woman, be it platonic, familial, or romantic would show that women are multidimensional human beings, not just stereotypes.

 

[mrpeter]

I hate to break it to you, but humans are a little too complex to fit into the categories of incel, women, normie, and chad. Furthermore, the reason most people dislike incels isn't because of an innate desire to pick on someone, but it's in defense of women, which most incels view as sex driven irrational creatures, as opposed to a human being capable of sentience and identity. Any amount of interaction with a woman, be it platonic, familial, or romantic would show that women are multidimensional human beings, not just stereotypes.

I mean technically an incel just means involuntary celibate a virgin not by choice, It doesn't mean misogynist it's just many incels are misogynistic. I am going to piss off some of the blackpilled people here but female and gay incels exist.

 

[LiuKang]

I hate to break it to you, but humans are a little too complex to fit into the categories of incel, women, normie, and chad. Furthermore, the reason most people dislike incels isn't because of an innate desire to pick on someone, but it's in defense of women, which most incels view as sex driven irrational creatures, as opposed to a human being capable of sentience and identity. Any amount of interaction with a woman, be it platonic, familial, or romantic would show that women are multidimensional human beings, not just stereotypes.

Bullshit

I agree that some people are non binary and such if that's what you mean by "too complex for the term women". Gender is a spectrum and such and I respect everyone's right to chosing their gender.

Women hate incels for 2 reasons:
1- the media
It doesn't like to portray us as people but rather as these evil subhuman monsters. The media calls everyone with SLIGHTLY misogynistic views a incel (especially if they do something violent). The dehumanisation of incels is why no one is open to having conversations about body dysmorphia within the incel community or the SCARY amount of childhood abuse survivors in the incel community or the mental health issues running rampant within the community or the lack of incels with education or jobs.
2- genes
I don't blame women for this, it's not their fault. They want incels entirely out the gene pool, this is why they suggest homosexuality as a solution so much (nothing wrong with being gay btw) but they say things like:
"Just fuck each other"
Or
"Just date men"

Normies , chads and incels are easily definable characters.

 

[LiuKang]

I mean technically an incel just means involuntary celibate a virgin not by choice, It doesn't mean misogynist it's just many incels are misogynistic. I am going to piss off some of the blackpilled people here but female and gay incels exist.

I'd agree with you completely. They are just very rare

 

[Holu]

I mean technically an incel just means involuntary celibate a virgin not by choice, It doesn't mean misogynist it's just many incels are misogynistic. I am going to piss off some of the blackpilled people here but female and gay incels exist.

You right, but at the same time incel no longer really just means involuntarily celibate. At its core acronym, it does, but the way that the incel communities have driven further and further into their resentment of anyone who either is successful with woman or is a woman themself has made it more of a reflection of misogyny than just some failure to interact romantically. Its the same way that someone could be a 30 year old virgin but still be supportive of women and most rational people wouldn't refer to them as an incel, even if they can't get laid no matter how hard they try. At this point it's more about community, rather than origin.

Also I don't see how that would piss anyone off. There's even a term for women incels, femcel, which I find funny.

 

[kilowatt]

It benefits young couples, cheaters and chads so I'm not sure how to feel about it. On one hand, it's rather noble to save someone from a world of suffering like ours but on the other hand people use it as an excuse to sleep around. And u hate hook up culture and romance.

When will people realize almost no woman ever gets an abortion because she's bored or an ''oopsie forgot the condom'' kinda situation happens? Abortion shouldn't have to benefit or disadvantage anyone. This is strictly the choice of the woman carrying the fetus, but of course inputs from their families and loved ones (and not incels on the internet) are welcome to be heard. Women only really get abortions when they *need* them, so their life situation plays the biggest part in the choice.
On the other hand, I believe overpopulating the world and having children for the sake of not aborting them, even though they grow up in miserable without a proper family or education, is not the way to go. So, yeah, Regardless of anyone's beliefs, abortion being legal within certain limits benefits society.

 

[LiuKang]

I hate to break it to you, but humans are a little too complex to fit into the categories of incel, women, normie, and chad. Furthermore, the reason most people dislike incels isn't because of an innate desire to pick on someone, but it's in defense of women, which most incels view as sex driven irrational creatures, as opposed to a human being capable of sentience and identity. Any amount of interaction with a woman, be it platonic, familial, or romantic would show that women are multidimensional human beings, not just stereotypes.

I'd agree with the "protect women from misogyny" a lot of normies white knight and I've seen it myself. I don't really care about white knights , though I view it as predatory: "must protect muh glorious woman!" Mate she's 21, calm down.

Although some normies are just punching down because we are the biggest losers in the world. "Virgin" has always been a insult and we are the only idiots who wear it as a badge of honour

 

[LiuKang]

When will people realize almost no woman ever gets an abortion because she's bored or an ''oopsie forgot the condom'' kinda situation happens? Abortion shouldn't have to benefit or disadvantage anyone. This is strictly the choice of the woman carrying the fetus, but of course inputs from their families and loved ones (and not incels on the internet) are welcome to be heard. Women only really get abortions when they *need* them, so their life situation plays the biggest part in the choice.
On the other hand, I believe overpopulating the world and having children for the sake of not aborting them, even though they grow up in miserable without a proper family or education, is not the way to go. So, yeah, Regardless of anyone's beliefs, abortion being legal within certain limits benefits society.

I agree.

 

[Holu]

Bullshit

I agree that some people are non binary and such if that's what you mean by "too complex for the term women". Gender is a spectrum and such and I respect everyone's right to chosing their gender.

Women hate incels for 2 reasons:
1- the media
It doesn't like to portray us as people but rather as these evil subhuman monsters. The media calls everyone with SLIGHTLY misogynistic views a incel (especially if they do something violent). The dehumanisation of incels is why no one is open to having conversations about body dysmorphia within the incel community or the SCARY amount of childhood abuse survivors in the incel community or the mental health issues running rampant within the community or the lack of incels with education or jobs.
2- genes
I don't blame women for this, it's not their fault. They want incels entirely out the gene pool, this is why they suggest homosexuality as a solution so much (nothing wrong with being gay btw) but they say things like:
"Just fuck each other"
Or
"Just date men"

Normies , chads and incels are easily definable characters.

Sir, what I mean by women are too complex is that women, just like you, are capable of independent thought, sentience, and identity, which allows for unique expression. The problem with the modern incel ideology is that it stereotypes both women and men into these rigid extreme expressions. It invalidates a woman's identity as no different than the next woman over. Believe it or not, there are women who like men who are polar opposites, not just chads. Our identities are born of genetics and experience, and while we tend to share ideologies you'd be far fetched to believe it's nothing but clones.

I'd agree with the "protect women from misogyny" a lot of normies white knight and I've seen it myself. I don't really care about white knights , though I view it as predatory: "must protect muh glorious woman!" Mate she's 21, calm down.

Although some normies are just punching down because we are the biggest losers in the world. "Virgin" has always been a insult and we are the only idiots who wear it as a badge of honour

My intent of "in defense of women" isn't "protect glorious women". It's more of a response to the reduction of a women's identity, which conflicts with the complexity of being a human in general. I dislike white knights for the same reason, since in many ways, it has characteristics of internalized misogyny at its core. It's the same way someone with a sister or a girlfriend isn't going to enjoy someone diminishing their accomplishments or identity.

The thing with my responses to this thread is that I disagree with creating accusations, claims, or assumptions for all people based off some generalized box created for them. It's okay to create boxes, even stereotypical boxes, when attempting to refer to ideologies so as to make it clear what you're discussing. It's not okay when you start assuming that characteristics and motivations of every individual based on those extremely generalized categories. It's degrading to the human spirit.

 

[LiuKang]

Sir, what I mean by women are too complex is that women, just like you, are capable of independent thought, sentience, and identity, which allows for unique expression. The problem with the modern incel ideology is that it stereotypes both women and men into these rigid extreme expressions. It invalidates a woman's identity as no different than the next woman over. Believe it or not, there are women who like men who are polar opposites, not just chads. Our identities are born of genetics and experience, and while we tend to share ideologies you'd be far fetched to find nothing but clones.

The differences between the opinions of women are trivial at best.

Just like you said yourself, women hate incels. If your argument was correct wouldn't there be incel allies? Or incelsexuals?. I'm not saying women are a monolith but a lot of their beliefs are universal

 

[EvisceratedJester]

If your argument was correct wouldn't there be incel allies? Or incelsexuals?

1. Somebody has never heard of Pearl before. There are a lot of pick mes who spend their time defending incels, so the ally part is covered.

2. Incelsexual? Being attracted to an incel isn't a sexual orientation. What's next? "I'm, sorry. I happen to be gamersexual, meaning I am only sexually attracted to those who identify as the gender 'gamer'".

 

[LiuKang]

1. Somebody has never heard of Pearl before. There are a lot of pick mes who spend their time defending incels, so the ally part is covered.

2. Incelsexual? Being attracted to an incel isn't a sexual orientation. What's next? "I'm, sorry. I happen to be gamersexual, meaning I am only sexually attracted to those who identify as the gender 'gamer'".

LOL, pearl is a tradcuck. "Women must be homemakers" is such a idoitic view. Find me one clip of her admitting the Blackpill or defending incels?

Incelsexual is a joke thing on .is. I've made piss take threads like "all feminists are incelsexuals!" And it gets feminists panties in a knot because we are the most disgusting thing they can imagine.