Used 2 minutes and 0.6L of water to swallow 25 capsules.

[H_K_A]

Hi, I used 2 minutes and 0.6L water to swallow 25 capsules filled with sugar as a test for the SN method. Is the amount of water too high?

 

[Anonymoussn]

Well if you read Stan's guide, the recommended amount of water is 50ml. 0.6 Litres is 600ml, so this would be 12 × the amount of water that is recommended. This is why capsules aren't the best idea, because you will need more water to get them down. It doesn't necessarily mean you will definitely fail. But having too much water in your stomach may make you more likely to vomit and make the experience more unpleasant, which in turn might make you more likely to fail.

Also just to add, I'm not convinced that testing sugar will give you much information. The body treats SN like a poison. There is roughly 39 grams of sugar in a coca-cola can. Which I'm sure is probably more sugar than you ingested. And most people would not vomit from this amount of coke/sugar anyway, so whilst it might give you some sort of sense how easy it is to initially swallow that many capsules, it will be completely different to keeping down the capsules when they contain SN

 

[JSRF]

Well if you read Stan's guide, the recommended amount of water is 50ml. 0.6 Litres is 600ml, so this would be 12 × the amount of water that is recommended. This is why capsules aren't the best idea, because you will need more water to get them down. It doesn't necessarily mean you will definitely fail. But having too much water in your stomach may make you more likely to vomit and make the experience more unpleasant, which in turn might make you more likely to fail.

There's delayed release capsules available that bypass the stomach. With those it might work out.

 

[Anonymoussn]

There's delayed release capsules available that bypass the stomach. With those it might work out.

Youd presumably need to take the same amount of water though, no? So your stomach would still have more water in it than what is recommended, which would most likely increase the risk of vomiting. If they genuinely bypass your stomach, then obviously the SN won't come up with the vomit, but more vomiting will usually make the experience more unpleasant anyway, and make more noise, and would lead some to be more likely to call for help.

I think for those reasons I would avoid capsules if it means taking a lot more than the recommended dose of water.

 

[JSRF]

Youd presumably need to take the same amount of water though, no? So your stomach would still have more water in it than what is recommended, which would most likely increase the risk of vomiting. If they genuinely bypass your stomach, then obviously the SN won't come up with the vomit, but more vomiting will usually make the experience more unpleasant anyway, and make more noise, and would lead some to be more likely to call for help.

I think for those reasons I would avoid capsules if it means taking a lot more than the recommended dose of water.

If those capsules bypass the stomach before release, then that means the water you drank to swallow them also bypassed the stomach by the point you're feeling the effect of the SN.

 

[TheQ22]

Not trying to be critical or anything but it's odd isn't it, how Human nature works.

"Here's a way that you can kill yourself with X"

Person: "I read that but, but I've decided to do something using X that is totally different" (like drinkng 12x the water) - "do you think it will work?"

"Probably not"

Person: "well, I'll try it anyway" - later: "It didn't work". "Oh no, why does this always happen to me?"

Is it that "Person" didn't really want to die, or found the idea of using X method too traumatic, so tried to tone it down? Or both? Or something else?

Being a Human is such a bloody bind.

 

[Anonymoussn]

If those capsules bypass the stomach before release, then that means the water you drank to swallow them also bypassed the stomach by the point you're feeling the effect of the SN.

Where have you drawn that conclusion from? Because it sounds illogical.

'Delayed-release medications are usually coated with a substance that keeps the drug from dissolving until after it has passed through the damaging digestive juices in the stomach'

They don't literally bypass the stomach. They just don't get dissolved straight away. The water would not be enclosed in a capsule so would still be digested in exactly the same way, and thus drinking too much water would still be a problem.

Not trying to be critical or anything but it's odd isn't it, how Human nature works.

"Here's a way that you can kill yourself with X"

Person: "I read that but, but I've decided to do something using X that is totally different" (like drinkng 12x the water) - "do you think it will work?"

"Probably not"

Person: "well, I'll try it anyway" - later: "It didn't work". "Oh no, why does this always happen to me?"

Is it that "Person" didn't really want to die, or found the idea of using X method too traumatic, so tried to tone it down? Or both? Or something else?

Being a Human is such a bloody bind.

Totally get what you're saying, but you've got to remember that some people have digestive issues which might make swallowing a salty tasting substance and keeping it down for more than a few seconds difficult and/or extremely unfomfortable.

Ive seen a lot of similar posts from people with conditions like GERD. Think some people are just trying to get creative because they're concerned that SN won't work for them because of medical conditions they've got. I've no way of knowing if that's the case with OP, but just saying that sometimes people are just desperate because of circumstances and don't see the regimen in Stans guide as being suitable for them because of that.

 

[JSRF]

Where have you drawn that conclusion from? Because it sounds illogical.

According to the manufacturers of these capsules, the whole point of delayed release is to avoid stomach issues. The content of the capsule isn't released until after it passed the stomach. I drew this conclusion from basic biology knowledge. Last I checked, liquids and solid food both go in the stomach and are then passed on into the intestines. If the capsules have passed, so did the water in the stomach.

 

[Aap]

I'm not quite sure why you are so invested in these. My suspicion is the following will happen with 25 of these taken at once (a combination of several things):
1. A protracted death - SN usually results in a loss of consciousness in 10-20 minutes. Even if everything works as intended, these will not all dissolve at the exact same time. This extends time to unconsciousness (and all the negative side effects) from 10 minutes to 3-5 hours!
2. MASSIVE VOMITING/Dry heaving - the mechanisms of vomiting are complex and not simply because something "bad" is in your stomach. Just think of chemotherapeutic agents and massive vomiting. These are almost never given by mouth. The idea that no nausea will occur with these capsules is FALSE.
3. Failures - failures both due to the fact people will panic at having awful symptoms for hours and failures due to inconsistent absorption.
4. Increased pain - without going in to too much detail, certain conditions, such as sickle cell anemia can be extremely painful due to reduced oxygen to tissues. Why then is SN not regarded as painful? The answer is because the brain is exceptionally sensitive to oxygen deprivation, far more so than other tissues. In short, one is dead before oxygen deprivation starts affecting other tissues. However, if the process is substantially slowed down by hours, I suspect it will start to become significantly more painful, as blood flow redistribution will heavily favor the cns over other tissues

I will say if your fear of taking SN in water is motivated by not wanting to drink something that tastes bad, then either bear it or explore other methods. If it is fear of vomiting, this won't prevent that. If it is fear of failure due to vomiting, redosing Is always possible, and most cases result in vomiting in the baseline yet still are successes, even with vomiting.

 

[H_K_A]

I'm not quite sure why you are so invested in these. My suspicion is the following will happen with 25 of these taken at once (a combination of several things):
1. A protracted death - SN usually results in a loss of consciousness in 10-20 minutes. Even if everything works as intended, these will not all dissolve at the exact same time. This extends time to unconsciousness (and all the negative side effects) from 10 minutes to 3-5 hours!
2. MASSIVE VOMITING/Dry heaving - the mechanisms of vomiting are complex and not simply because something "bad" is in your stomach. Just think of chemotherapeutic agents and massive vomiting. These are almost never given by mouth. The idea that no nausea will occur with these capsules is FALSE.
3. Failures - failures both due to the fact people will panic at having awful symptoms for hours and failures due to inconsistent absorption.
4. Increased pain - without going in to too much detail, certain conditions, such as sickle cell anemia can be extremely painful due to reduced oxygen to tissues. Why then is SN not regarded as painful? The answer is because the brain is exceptionally sensitive to oxygen deprivation, far more so than other tissues. In short, one is dead before oxygen deprivation starts affecting other tissues. However, if the process is substantially slowed down by hours, I suspect it will start to become significantly more painful, as blood flow redistribution will heavily favor the cns over other tissues

I will say if your fear of taking SN in water is motivated by not wanting to drink something that tastes bad, then either bear it or explore other methods. If it is fear of vomiting, this won't prevent that. If it is fear of failure due to vomiting, redosing Is always possible, and most cases result in vomiting in the baseline yet still are successes, even with vomiting.

I am motivated to use capsules because I have vomitted when I have tried table salt. Therefore I hope that capsules can reduce the chances of vomitting. I vomits of the taste of salt water.