unpopular take on here but im generally uneasy about assisted suicide and any state supported suicide programme

[Chinaski]

I was not sure about the defintion of death on demand. Moreover I think talking about assisted suicide can change things. A former member of SS when it was on reddit was Adam Maier Clayton. He was a right to die activist. He raised a lot of awareness to this issue. In my country the highest court ruled in favor of liberal assisted suicide laws. The highest judge talked to people who were experiencing severe suicidality. This forum has 6 milliion views per month. If only a very small percentage of them feel empowered to speak openly about their right to die they can change things. Instead of ctb immediately they can raise awareness for this topic and give their life a meaning by doing that.

That's up to them but as far as I'm concerned my right to die is absolute, we all have the fundamental "right" to kill ourselves today, or not kill ourselves at all.

The argument in favour of widening euthanasia will not be advanced by people on here expressing frustration with their own inability to commit suicide. This is a feeling l understand very well, but it is not political activism - there are existing campaigns for euthanasia with a significantly greater legitimacy than this website, our discussions on this forum do not shift that dial a single millimetre imo.

 

[noname223]

That's up to them but as far as I'm concerned my right to die is absolute, we all have the fundamental "right" to kill ourselves today, or not kill ourselves at all.

The argument in favour of widening euthanasia will not be advanced by people on here expressing frustration with their own inability to commit suicide. This is a feeling l understand very well, but it is not political activism - there are existing campaigns for euthanasia with a significantly greater legitimacy than this website, our discussions on this forum do not shift that dial a single millimetre imo.

I think forums like SS might that much of a problem for our societies so that we have to rethink our approach to suicide. I mean there are even briefings to member of US congress men. Most of the political actions will result in suppressing forums like SS. (Due to the framing of the media.) So they try to treat the symptoms. Though I think this won't be the future. I believe in many decades (maybe in another century) they will look back at our time and think how barbaric we treated suicidal people in the past.

I read scientists that argumented that banning suicide forums is not the right answer to the issue of suicide. We have to find a less stigmatized way to deal with this problem. And in my opinion this will mean enabling the right to die for humans. I think the reason will win in the end. In my country the people become more and more secular. At the same time the supporter for assisted suicide rises.
It is only a matter of time and this "middle age" will be over. Though I doubt I will experience it.

 

[demuic]

It's a slippery slope to eugenics. What's to stop people deemed 'undesirable' by the state then being killed in a state sanctioned way. Should be avoided entirely.

There's a lot that could be done to stop that...

 

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if it does, the rich, the forced lifers, and the government would suddenly be interested because they are losing labor and may try to help the poor as a result.

This is a pretty optimistic view which is completely counter to the increasingly popular narrative of eco-fascism and overpopulation scaremongering by those groups you mention. Particularly in an age of unproductive jobs that are made out of thin air for the sake of creating more "work", the loss in labour would be cancelled out - if not even a net gain - in the loss of an extra burden as these lot seem to see it.

It's a slippery slope to eugenics. What's to stop people deemed 'undesirable' by the state then being killed in a state sanctioned way. Should be avoided entirely.

Precisely. And when consciously introducing a policy where all statistical trends point to a further disproportion in the death of those most vulnerable we as a society would be conceding to a discrimination which has shades of natural selection about it. Controversial, but anything that leads to more death on a macro scale is bad imo.

 

[Chinaski]

This is a pretty optimistic view which is completely counter to the increasingly popular narrative of eco-fascism and overpopulation scaremongering by those groups you mention. Particularly in an age of unproductive jobs that are made out of thin air for the sake of creating more "work", the loss in labour would be cancelled out - if not even a net gain - in the loss of an extra burden as these lot seem to see it.

Precisely. And when consciously introducing a policy where all statistical trends point to a further disproportion in the death of those most vulnerable we as a society would be conceding to a discrimination which has shades of natural selection about it. Controversial, but anything that leads to more death on a macro scale is bad imo.

On the one hand all of this is absolutely correct and your username is something of a misnomer, but on the other hand have you not considered that a Truly Compassionate Society would be one which implemented full Logan's Run right now so l personally didn't have to overcome my own fear of death? In fact it could be argued that viewing this issue through a wider socio-political lens without placing my individual 'SI' at the very forefront of the matter is exactly the kind of selfishness you would normally condemn, and the fact that you are explicitly denying my right to be murdered by a state-funded doctor on a culling mission is not dissimilar to the way the Pro Anti Lifechoicers conduct themselves, and furthermore,,,,,,

 

[YourNeighbor]

It's not satire in the slightest. The United States of America is my favourite country. That's why the American flag is in the text.

Curious, how many countries have you lived in? Also, is your name/avatar a reference to a certain fuhrer's favorite canine companion?

 

[MyStateKilledMe]

It's not satire in the slightest. The United States of America is my favourite country. That's why the American flag is in the text.

"Favourite"? You might love America like I do, but that's not an American spelling! We don't put an extra U in words like "favorite" or "color".

By the way, I'm American. And it was my leftist state that almost killed me. (Hence my name.) "How?" With the Democrats' lab-made virus, the mass lockdowns, and the social isolation it all caused me. And the purpose of it all wasn't public health, but creating more opportunities for Democrats to alter ballots: scrape off the Trump votes and change them to Biden, due to hugely expanded mail-in voting.

If it wasn't for a radical right-wing group I joined in May 2020, I'd probably now be either a skeleton in a casket or chained to a stretcher in a mental hospital.

 

[myopybyproxy]

I , as a Republican , can't believe there are so many entitled leftists here .
Poor people are poor for a reason. Either because they are lazy or their ancestors were lazy or inadequate. Your not entitled to other people's hard worked money. I believe in freedom. I believe in assisted suicide based on market ideals.
You don't ban alcohol because it hurts people. It's God's given
choice of freedom to everyone, to do whatever they wish, even if it hurts them.
And I am not some privileged millionaire . I am relatively poor and
Have some physical disabilities. But I realise it's mine problem and mine alone.

Lol entitled and Republican are not mutually exclusive - ever heard of incels?

Although I agree it is preferable that people earn their keep and certainly should not take away from those who have worked for it - that only disincetivises productivity (whilst for its own sake is a form of brainwashing and torture, if it is constructive and benefits the individual and their environment productivity ought not be frowned upon) and eventually the economy and society will collapse - I also believe that people are not their ancestors and should have the opportunity to be their own people.

It isn't anyone's fault they were born into a family of narcissists, losers, criminals, poor investors, first-generation immigrants, what have you. Nobody chooses to be born into that condition. And once you're stuck in it - and it is all you know from the moment you're first conscious - it is extremely difficult to get out without external help. The issue is how to help people get on their feet without inadvertently pushing them into the role of lifelong victimhood.

There has got to be a balance between 'pull yourself up by your bootstraps' and 'let me spoonfeed you everything'. Shall we humans ever find it and maintain it for longer than a few decades? Doubtful.

It's a slippery slope to eugenics. What's to stop people deemed 'undesirable' by the state then being killed in a state sanctioned way. Should be avoided entirely.

The process must be initiated and continued by the individual. The fact that the procedure is given the state's legal blessing is so that doctors who prescribe a lethal dose of pentobarbital or other substances are not stripped of their medical practise and incarcerated as is the current state of affairs.

So you'd rather those with terminal illness be forced to suffer until their last struggling breaths as they die 'naturally'? You'd rather people who do not fit into nor contribute satisfactorily to society or feel their existence is meaningful and wish to end their chronic physical and mental suffering choose a violent, isolating, and shamed/stigmatised end - or survive with permanent deficits to their quality of life, due to now having third degree burns covering them head to toe / paralysed from the waist down / blind / unable to use their hands / in chronic pain from nerve damage / with half a face and unable to speak to their loved ones or eat their favourite foods ever again - because they had no such peaceful means at their disposal thanks to the morals of such black-and-white perspectives as yours?

It's so funny how the 'treatment' and mental 'health''care' field is all 'find balance, namaste, dialectics DBT rawr XD' yet when it comes to the right to bodily autonomy, suddenly they abandon all that pretence because 'death bad! always! choice does not exist! your body is government property and destruction of such is illegal! fight us in court where you will surely lose and be forced to undergo medical treatment against your will for your own good :D we know what's best for you and only have your best interests at heart! trust us! the more you depend on us, the more money we get! please make us richer! stay a lifelong consumer and an iatrogenic victim!'

Not haha funny, but the sort of funny that if I had perhaps a bit worse off upbringing - a bit more exposure to violence - absent father - I would not only be planning my suicide, but revenge on quite a few key players. God, this shit makes me so angry. As it is I'm too defeated and resigned and have turned that on myself. Time to stop thinking about this to preserve my fragile sanity! I love living in this topsy turvy society, don't you?