Discussion Unpopular opinion but SN is a crappy CTB method

[JayJay]

SN is a poor method because it requires a regiment of antiemetics to reduce vomiting and nausea which do require a prescription. You also want analgesics to reduce the headache and benzos which are hard to come by for anxiety. It usually takes 30 mins to die off SN. It can cause extreme discomfort for some people like chest pain and stomach cramps without the setup. 6/10 in pain scale. Compared to fentanyl intravenously, it's simply FAR BETTER. It takes only 100-200 ug to die. You feel absolutely no pain. Death will occur in 5 mins. The first minute would be filled with the best euphoria of your life. After that, sedation/unconsciousness in 2 minutes, then death after 5 minutes. 0/10 in pain scale.

 

[neenie]

I feel like fent extremely harder to come by than SN

 

[JayJay]

I feel like fent extremely harder to come by than SN

The fent epidemic says otherwise

 

[karakoltriste]

Yes, fentanyl, heroin or morphina are better way

I feel like fent extremely harder to come by than SN

it's easy if It's easy if you know how to use deep web

 

[JayJay]

Yes, fentanyl, heroin or morphina are better way


it's easy if It's easy if you know how to use deep web

I feel like dying off some sausage preserver that requires additional drugs makes it extremely inefficient. Heroin, fent, and morphine are just really simple. Either shoot it or eat it. No additional drugs required plus getting the best bliss of your life before you go out. DW is not that hard to use. The only tricky thing about the DW is getting pished by fake markets. Happened to me before. But I've gotten legit stuff from there. To be honest opioids or Pentobarbital are the way to go.

 

[Dqope]

So your telling me that getting SN and a prescription med (which you can find without a prescription and both can be found on clear net) is harder than getting on darkweb and getting pure fent. You talk about benzos like they are something you can't get but talk about getting fent (I really don't understand your thinking). I guess you just want to prove a point and thus there is no meaning in talking to you about this anymore but I will leave this here. No method is perfect and maybe you should check threads about why ODing isn't the best. But you do you....

 

[JayJay]

So your telling me that getting SN and a prescription med (which you can find without a prescription and both can be found on clear net) is harder than getting on darkweb and getting pure fent. You talk about benzos like they are something you can't get but talk about getting fent (I really don't understand your thinking). I guess you just want to prove a point and thus there is no meaning in talking to you about this anymore but I will leave this here. No method is perfect and maybe you should check threads about why ODing isn't the best. But you do you....

Ah, I see one is a huge fan of the sausage preserver.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Another thing is that Fent is illegal without a prescription, so it carries with obtaining it a chance of imprisonment, if one gets busted. And the DW isn't for everyone. It takes a good amount of time to learn the ins and outs of it, and even then, there's a good chance of getting ripped off.

Do what you're comfortable doing. I don't see the point of you ragging on what others choose to do. If you don't like SN, the answer is simple - just don't do it.

 

[Dante_]

Do what you're comfortable doing. I don't see the point of you ragging on what others choose to do. If you don't like SN, the answer is simple - just don't do it.

To add to this, not the first time someone has made a thread like this nor the last sadly, ragging others for their choice method and calling them "fans" as if this is some weird selection of factions to fall under.

Op, you lose nothing by being respectful and mature when talking to other users, just as much you'd like the same courtesy.

 

[gothbird]

Yeah, I get why fentanyl sounds better on paper yaknow like fast, euphoric, no prep, but let's be real here. IV fentanyl isn't accessible for most people or legal. Unless you're a medical professional with direct access or buying on the darknet (which comes with huge risks and zero guarantees on purity or dose), it's not a viable method for most. It's also a controlled substance, and possession without a script is illegal in most countries. So telling people it's "far better" without adding that context is kind of misleading.

With SN, everything in the standard protocol like meto, even OTC stuff like paracetamol, and in some countries promethazine or antihistamines like the're all available on the clearnet. Most of it can be sourced legally. And while yeah, SN can cause side effects like cramping or a headache or throwing up if you're unlucky, those aren't guaranteed. A lot of successful reports say it was peaceful or at least tolerable, especially with proper prep.

For the average person SN is far more accessible, better documented, and legally obtainable, which is why it's part of the PPH protocol in the first place. I get what you're trying to say though!

 

[karakoltriste]

So your telling me that getting SN and a prescription med (which you can find without a prescription and both can be found on clear net) is harder than getting on darkweb and getting pure fent. You talk about benzos like they are something you can't get but talk about getting fent (I really don't understand your thinking). I guess you just want to prove a point and thus there is no meaning in talking to you about this anymore but I will leave this here. No method is perfect and maybe you should check threads about why ODing isn't the best. But you do you....

An opiate overdose is different. It works, and it's even more peaceful.

 

[Eudaimonic]

I somewhat agree in that I don't think SN is a very pleasant method. However, F is notoriously unreliable for CTBing unless done IV (which cannot really be self-administered).

 

[Romanticize]

If I had fentanyl on me, and SN - yes, I would choose fentanyl IV.
However:
1) fentanyl is harder to get than SN. Antiemetic, benzos are not a must for SN, SN alone can work too [but it can be prolonged].
2) 6/10 pain scale for SN is made up. Yes you vomit, yes you feel light headed, dizzy, like a bad flu. But you only feel this for 30mins. Not too bad for a CTB option is it?
3) Some people (like me) got huge opioid tolerance, I was taking up to 2,000mg morphine or oxycodone on 1 shot
4) also some people cannot do IV, I for example can, but the only vein I had access to, collapsed and scarred from doing IV too often, and now I don't have any vein access. Even I couldn't bring blood tests to my doctor, because two nurses pierced me 20 times, and they couldn't hit any vein or draw any blood.

So it's a matter of preference, and ease of access. You also overstated how badly you feel on SN - it's not that bad. Of course opioids IV is zero pain, and SN is somewhat uncomfortable, but it's still far better than other methods.

 

[aiyuxhan]

Opiate overdoses are peaceful. If I had access to them, I would choose them over SN.

But, SN is easier to obtain for me than Fent sadly. If I can get Fent, I would rather CTB with that. :/

If I had fentanyl on me, and SN - yes, I would choose fentanyl IV.
However:
1) fentanyl is harder to get than SN. Antiemetic, benzos are not a must for SN, SN alone can work too [but it can be prolonged].
2) 6/10 pain scale for SN is made up. Yes you vomit, yes you feel light headed, dizzy, like a bad flu. But you only feel this for 30mins. Not too bad for a CTB option is it?
3) Some people (like me) got huge opioid tolerance, I was taking up to 2,000mg morphine or oxycodone on 1 shot
4) also some people cannot do IV, I for example can, but the only vein I had access to, collapsed and scarred from doing IV too often, and now I don't have any vein access. Even I couldn't bring blood tests to my doctor, because two nurses pierced me 20 times, and they couldn't hit any vein or draw any blood.

So it's a matter of preference, and ease of access. You also overstated how badly you feel on SN - it's not that bad. Of course opioids IV is zero pain, and SN is somewhat uncomfortable, but it's still far better than other methods.

It's far less violent too. And one of the least traumatic for anyone who finds you.

 

[Romanticize]

I somewhat agree in that I don't think SN is a very pleasant method. However, F is notoriously unreliable for CTBing unless done IV (which cannot really be self-administered).

of course IV can be self-administered, I have done hundreds of IV morphine shots to myself, alone. I also learned that all by myself.
Just put a tourniquet on your biceps, feel the pulse with your finger, if not - squeeze your hand a few times, then push the needle (i used 12-16mm , diameter 0,45-0,60) under acute angle, around 30degrees - always in the direction of heart (how blood flows). Then if you hit the vein, blood appears into "control" part of the syringe, you can actually clearly see blood - and you know you hit the vein, then you push the plunger.

It's not that hard, but I know that for many people it's impossible, because their hands shake, or they have a fear of needles etc.

 

[quietwoods]

Ah, I see one is a huge fan of the sausage preserver.

You're telling me I get to CTB and my body will be found in a state of pristine preservation? Sign me up!

 

[LeavingEarly]

I considered fentanyl but I didn't know the purity and didn't want to turn into a junkie. Switched to CO charcoal.

 

[panda55]

For those that are considering Fent or other illegal substances just know if you have a life insurance policy and they will not pay out to your beneficiaries. Most policies will not pay if it's due to illegal drugs or other illegal activities.

 

[JayJay]

For those that are considering Fent or other illegal substances just know if you have a life insurance policy and they will not pay out to your beneficiaries. Most policies will not pay if it's due to illegal drugs or other illegal activities.

If it's medically prescribed opiates it counts

 

[deathbydesign]

Yes, fentanyl, heroin or morphina are better way


it's easy if It's easy if you know how to use deep web

The only place I knew of that sold it was shut down last week (fent)
I'd absolutely prefer fentanyl. Heroin or fent has always been my plan. But it's not as easy to get - and impossible to test the purity. And I've never done opiates so I wouldn't need a lot but I don't want to use a method that could leave me in super bad shape if I fail. SN seems to be the most accessible and the way with the best outcome if it doesn't work, imo.

 

[tsykoais]

The fent epidemic says otherwise

esp if you live in a big city

 

[hedezev4]

I don't know how it is in your country, but where I live, if I get caught with drugs, I could be sentenced to 8 to 15 years in prison.
That alone is enough to stop considering illegal drugs as a method.
After all, our goal is to get rid of suffering, not to create more of it.
There's also the issue of purity - how can you be sure it's what you need if it was obtained illegally?
With SN, it's much simpler: it's completely legal, costs $5 per kg, and there's no real incentive to counterfeit it.
Meta and propranolol are "prescription only" here, but in practice, I was able to buy one pack of meta and three packs of propranolol without anyone asking for a prescription. Benzos aren't essential, so they can be skipped.
So, SN is easy to get, legal, without much pain, extremely lethal, easily overcomes SI, and In case of failure, the risk of long-term consequences is low compared to many other methods

Every method has pros and cons, and in that sense, SN is one of the most balanced options, with no major drawbacks.

F is only better if you already have it and it's genuine.

 

[Eudaimonic]

of course IV can be self-administered, I have done hundreds of IV morphine shots to myself, alone. I also learned that all by myself.
Just put a tourniquet on your biceps, feel the pulse with your finger, if not - squeeze your hand a few times, then push the needle (i used 12-16mm , diameter 0,45-0,60) under acute angle, around 30degrees - always in the direction of heart (how blood flows). Then if you hit the vein, blood appears into "control" part of the syringe, you can actually clearly see blood - and you know you hit the vein, then you push the plunger.

It's not that hard, but I know that for many people it's impossible, because their hands shake, or they have a fear of needles etc.

Okay, some people can do it, but not most

 

[neenie]

The fent epidemic says otherwise

I think your post is overall very American-centric. Where I live some AEs are OTC, benzos are prescribed very easily, and fentanyl is not that big of a problem for now and therefore hard to obtain

 

[DOHARDTHINGS24]

I never get this stuff - you don't like a method or a seller, move along.
I can't personally shoot or hang or yeet or jump in front of trains - so I don't read those threads, & I don't diminish or minimise the choices other people are forced to make.
And as a fan of the sausage seller, if you're not a fan because they're dealers, who the fuck are you suggesting buying heroin & fenty from??
This is why I stopped reading the forum, Imma log the fuck back out until my bp calms down & I make better choices.

 

[Dante_]

I think your post is overall very American-centric. Where I live some AEs are OTC, benzos are prescribed very easily, and fentanyl is not that big of a problem for now and therefore hard to obtain

Posts like this do come off that way, never inclusive to the fact that ss has users from most parts of the world that dont have access to Fent at all.

 

[karakoltriste]

The only place I knew of that sold it was shut down last week (fent)
I'd absolutely prefer fentanyl. Heroin or fent has always been my plan. But it's not as easy to get - and impossible to test the purity. And I've never done opiates so I wouldn't need a lot but I don't want to use a method that could leave me in super bad shape if I fail. SN seems to be the most accessible and the way with the best outcome if it doesn't work, imo.

It is not impossible to calculate the purity, in my city there is a laboratory where you take 30mg of the drug you want and they analyze it!

https://energycontrol-international.org/drug-testing-service/submitting-a-sample/

And he's not the only one; there are more. It's a bit expensive if it's international, but I tested heroin twice, for free.

 

[EmptyBottle]

Also, SN is not that portable, not like it fits in a pocket and 1 pill and done. It requires a few hours of fasting in advance. Maybe the delay is good for preventing overly early deaths, but once it is taken there are still several mins to regret it (unless one has methelyne blue ready to cancel the attempt), and a good chance of emptying one's stomach even with meto.

Plus, it is almost obvious it is a CTB, eg: the words "accidental overdose" won't cut it.

 

[Sergeant45]

I feel like fent extremely harder to come by than SN

In Europe, yes. In some American districts, according to an American acquaintance, complete opposite. They told me they were offered Fentanyl before pot.

Aside from that... I always viewed SN as something that is an alright method if you know what you're doing, and if you don't, that's when it'll be shit.

Edit: wording.

 

[karakoltriste]

I think your post is overall very American-centric. Where I live some AEs are OTC, benzos are prescribed very easily, and fentanyl is not that big of a problem for now and therefore hard to obtain

What area are you from? I agree that with the "epidemic" thing, they're assuming something that only happens in the US. It happens a lot around here, in my opinion, and several people in this post, not just the OP, like the one who mentioned the police: in my country, nothing happens to you if you haven some drugs at home, for your own use.
There's no problem with fentanyl use here either, but I don't consider it super difficult to obtain, perhaps because I know some dealers and I could also get oxy and morphine.

In Europe, yes. In some American districts, according to an American acquaintance, complete opposite. They told me they were offered Fentanyl before pot.

Aside from that... I always viewed SN as something that is an ''amazing'' method if you know what you're doing, and if you don't, that's when it'll be shit.

Im from Europe. Is not that difficult

I somewhat agree in that I don't think SN is a very pleasant method. However, F is notoriously unreliable for CTBing unless done IV (which cannot really be self-administered).

Where did you get that from? Neither of the two things you claim about CTB with opiates is true...