Discussion Understanding yourself

[AgingLoser]

Recently I took the Understanding Yourself personality test created by Dr Jordan Peterson. I wasn't expecting good results but the results I got shocked me. It turns out that I am very low in consciousness (I'm lazy) and high in neurosis. Basically I don't have any redeeming qualities. I'm not someone who has any business drawing breath.
Has anyone else taken this test? If so what were the results?

 

[worldexploder]

Jordan Peterson is my philosophical enemy. If I was Batman he would be the Joker. The guy is a cult leader. A shiester.

 

[Threads]

Understanding yourself is a life long process.

Don't let some psych test make you feel like your incapable of that. You are capable of that. You may not be at the level of understanding you wish to be, but you will get there.

 

[worldexploder]

JP bragging about insulting a woman for questioning wether or not she should bring a child into this cruel world. Skip to 2:00 for the meat.

 

[bigj75]

Well peterson said the positives of neurosis is sensitive, emotional, excitable, and dynamic.

Your role for instance is:
when a champion is needed to lead a crusade, someone high in neuroticism inspires the entire group.

 

[AgingLoser]

Well peterson said the positives of neurosis is sensitive, emotional, excitable, and dynamic.

Your role for instance is:
when a champion is needed to lead a crusade, someone high in neuroticism inspires the entire group.

Not in my case...

Neuroticism: very high. 92 percentile
Withdraw: exceptionally high. 97th percentile
Volatility: moderately high. 72nd percentile
Openness to experience: very low. 5th percentile
Intellect: low. 11th percentile
Openness: very low. 7th percentile

I'm not seeing much by way of redeeming qualities here...

 

[worldexploder]

Not in my case...

Neuroticism: very high. 92 percentile
Withdraw: exceptionally high. 97th percentile
Volatility: moderately high. 72nd percentile
Openness to experience: very low. 5th percentile
Intellect: low. 11th percentile
Openness: very low. 7th percentile

I'm not seeing much by way of redeeming qualities here...

Can I get a link? I looked up the test but it said I had to buy it.

 

[AgingLoser]

Consciousness: very low. 8th percentile
Industriousness: very low. 8th percentile
Orderliness: low. 16th percentile
Extraversion: very low. 4th percentile
Enthusiasm: low. 13th percentile
Assertiveness: exceptionally low. 3rd percentile

Call me crazy but this isn't painting a pretty picture. The worst part is that I can't argue with any of it. This describes me to a T and explains my life. This is why I've lost jobs. This is why I never succeeded at relationships. This is why no woman of quality has ever been attracted to me. I have to face the facts. I'm a loser and a failure. I've done far more harm than good in the world. I'm more burden than asset. I shouldn't have been born and have no place here. The best thing I can do is end my existence.

 

[AgingLoser]

Can I get a link? I looked up the test but it said I had to buy it.

You do have to buy it.
$10

 

[worldexploder]

You do have to buy it.
$10

Christ! I ain't giving that scammer any of my moolah

 

[AgingLoser]

Christ! I ain't giving that scammer any of my moolah

I understand.
I personally found the test helpful. It explains a lot.

 

[Fallen bad23]

Consciousness: very low. 8th percentile
Industriousness: very low. 8th percentile
Orderliness: low. 16th percentile
Extraversion: very low. 4th percentile
Enthusiasm: low. 13th percentile
Assertiveness: exceptionally low. 3rd percentile

Call me crazy but this isn't painting a pretty picture. The worst part is that I can't argue with any of it. This describes me to a T and explains my life. This is why I've lost jobs. This is why I never succeeded at relationships. This is why no woman of quality has ever been attracted to me. I have to face the facts. I'm a loser and a failure. I've done far more harm than good in the world. I'm more burden than asset. I shouldn't have been born and have no place here. The best thing I can do is end my existence.

That isn't real. Like or not humans are different and these sort of tests are not reliable. These tests tend to squeeze people into frames taking away their individuality and essence to force them into pre-made moulds.

 

[worldexploder]

I understand.
I personally found the test helpful. It explains a lot.

Out of curiosity - what do you find appealing about J-Pete?

 

[bigj75]

Consciousness: very low. 8th percentile
Industriousness: very low. 8th percentile
Orderliness: low. 16th percentile
Extraversion: very low. 4th percentile
Enthusiasm: low. 13th percentile
Assertiveness: exceptionally low. 3rd percentile

Call me crazy but this isn't painting a pretty picture. The worst part is that I can't argue with any of it. This describes me to a T and explains my life. This is why I've lost jobs. This is why I never succeeded at relationships. This is why no woman of quality has ever been attracted to me. I have to face the facts. I'm a loser and a failure. I've done far more harm than good in the world. I'm more burden than asset. I shouldn't have been born and have no place here. The best thing I can do is end my existence.

That's tough to hear but from a logic standpoint if you truly feel like that about yourself and nothing is improving I can't see any reason for you not to ctb for your own sake.

 

[naia_]

Jordan Peterson is my philosophical enemy. If I was Batman he would be the Joker. The guy is a cult leader. A shiester.

Uh! Same!


I'd love to see people (members of the LGBTQ community especially) here react to this..

 

[AgingLoser]

Out of curiosity - what do you find appealing about J-Pete?

I admire his unapologetic defense of free speech.

 

[AgingLoser]

That isn't real. Like or not humans are different and these sort of tests are not reliable. These tests tend to squeeze people into frames taking away their individuality and essence to force them into pre-made moulds.

It's not 100% perfect. Nothing in life is perfect. However there is nothing in these results that are off the mark.

 

[AgingLoser]

That's tough to hear but from a logic standpoint if you truly feel like that about yourself and nothing is improving I can't see any reason for you not to ctb for your own sake.

The truth is often tough to hear. Unfortunately the truth doesn't care about our feelings. It is what it is.

 

[Sayo]

The fact that the test is paid makes it almost impossible to effectively critique it. How are we supposed to know how he measures intellect, for example? How does he compare it to the population? I am willing to wager that it is not effectively done, though, especially by means of an online test - intellect is an extremely complicated and contentious psychological concept. A responsible psychologist would also assess you in person and discuss your results with you more usefully than that.

However, the main takeaway seems to be that you feel that way about yourself. I don't think you ought to use this kind of intellectual fraud as validation for your feelings, but I also doubt that, if we were able to show you that it is not a good test, you would feel differently about yourself. But the fact you said it shocked you makes me think you don't actually feel as badly about yourself as the test indicates. I think it would be wrong to conclude that these are innate things about you and not things that could be changed.

You're probably suffering quite a lot, and I don't blame you for wanting to end that. But I think wanting to end your life because you perceive yourself to be a waste of space is very sad... especially when how an individual performs is a very small predictor of their outcome.

Also, high neuroticism in, say, a depressed individual would very likely correlate with 'low consciousness', orderliness, etc. because of the effects of the disease. It's not a matter of imperfection, it's a matter of the test likely having no connection to any sort of context.

 

[Prime]

No matter how good a psychologist is he just can not do something that takes a lifetime to achieve in just some stupid test. Yes he can point out some of your character traits and tell you what kind of a person you are. But nothing in life is that hard and fast. Our mind is extremely malleable. It can be molded and cast into any shape we want. We choose what we want to be like. We are something today and yes the psychologist might be able to understand us today on the surface but he can never probe deep enough into us and tell us what we will be tommorow. We become what we think. Kant once said, "A man can do what a man wants. But a man can not want what he wants to want." I disagree. I have found it in myself and firmly believe that it is possible to want to want something and make yourself actually want it by thinking about is obsessively and pouring your entire self into it. Our consciousness is something too complicated to be folded open in some stupid test. And never let yourself believe that you are what the results show. Yes you might be a bit like the results but you can change that. I am not a pro-lifer, mind it. But I believe some things can always be changed about a person if he is willing to walk a mile further. Another example is of those stupid IQ tests. I have given a lot of them online and have never been able to see how the hell answering these questions can decide how intelligent and creative I am in my life. Completing a pattern and predicting the next term in a series of numbers don't make a person "intelligent". There is a lot more to it than it. I am sick of such tests.

 

[worldexploder]

I admire his unapologetic defense of free speech.

Well yeah free speech is good. But what is it about his teachings that grabs you? Really pulls you in?

 

[worldexploder]

The fact that the test is paid makes it almost impossible to effectively critique it. How are we supposed to know how he measures intellect, for example? How does he compare it to the population? I am willing to wager that it is not effectively done, though, especially by means of an online test - intellect is an extremely complicated and contentious psychological concept. A responsible psychologist would also assess you in person and discuss your results with you more usefully than that.

However, the main takeaway seems to be that you feel that way about yourself. I don't think you ought to use this kind of intellectual fraud as validation for your feelings, but I also doubt that, if we were able to show you that it is not a good test, you would feel differently about yourself. But the fact you said it shocked you makes me think you don't actually feel as badly about yourself as the test indicates. I think it would be wrong to conclude that these are innate things about you and not things that could be changed.

You're probably suffering quite a lot, and I don't blame you for wanting to end that. But I think wanting to end your life because you perceive yourself to be a waste of space is very sad... especially when how an individual performs is a very small predictor of their outcome.

Also, high neuroticism in, say, a depressed individual would very likely correlate with 'low consciousness', orderliness, etc. because of the effects of the disease. It's not a matter of imperfection, it's a matter of the test likely having no connection to any sort of context.

Exactly! It's like - hey gimme 10 dollars and all your questions will be answered! Bullshit! The brain is the most complex thing in the known universe. There are 7 billion of em and they are all unique to one another. You can't put a simple number on that.

 

[worldexploder]

Uh! Same!


I'd love to see people (members of the LGBTQ community especially) here react to this..

What a psychopath. He sounded like Adolf Hitler when he was screaming like that. Notice how nonchalant and dispassionate he was when he said "I don't like Nazis".

 

[Gainax]

He was born from a middle class family
Learn to read by age of 3
Graduated from Havard
He is now a famous man
He is now wealthy man and makes lot of money selling self help books, online tests ...etc.

From the start he had advantages in life and used them well, unlike most of us but that doesnt invalidate what he has to say.

Just like the ancient greek philosophers who belonged the upper class and were feed and dressed by the slaves , these superior people spend their days seated on their asses thinking about how hard life is to Man, but doesnt invalidate their theories , its just how life really is.

I like some of what he has to say, simply because its ancient wisdom and its makes some sense.

 

[Battered_Seoul]

Not in my case...

Neuroticism: very high. 92 percentile
Withdraw: exceptionally high. 97th percentile
Volatility: moderately high. 72nd percentile
Openness to experience: very low. 5th percentile
Intellect: low. 11th percentile
Openness: very low. 7th percentile

I'm not seeing much by way of redeeming qualities here...

Oh boy, I realise it is a reductive model, but it also describes me uncannily accurately; demotivated, disorganized, careless, suspicious, neurotic, impulsive, unfocused. A heavy hit to the gut.

 

[couldntthinkofaname]

your reaction to the test result is highly neurotic.

ironically.