Unconscious Gasping from partial hanging

[D0wn4nd0ut]

Last couple times I practiced partial hanging, I went unconscious in around 3-5 seconds, and after that it was a state of nothingness, but I don't know how long after that I must have kind of regained consciousness just a little and heard myself gasping as well as trying to swallow..

Since I was still 90% unconscious (because everything was still black and I could just hear it and some noises around me) I felt no pain of it.

But it kinda scared me because both times my memory kicked in and I remembered where I was at and what I was doing and I wasn't trying to die yet because my family was in the next couple rooms and I knew I had to wake up, almost like a dream, when I did my mind and limbs didn't work right and seemed like all the steps I took were out of order, I tried getting the strap off but couldn't because I needed to stand up, but my legs wouldn't work so I had to forcefully grab the bar and pull myself up to undo the strap that felt like it was just getting tighter and tighter, all of this while still gasping and trying to swallow and slowly regaining consciousness..

My questions for everyone is.. since I was gasping and trying to swallow, how much longer would it have probably been until I died, and would my heart stop at some point because of that?

I think the only SI that kicked in was completely voluntary and I could have easily just reached up and pulled the strap tighter while I felt like consciousness was coming, and put my weight back into it.

If I didn't make something clear ask.

 

[x~Sophia~x]

I'm confused as to why it scared you when you're obviously getting the result that you will need to ctb.
There aren't many who manage to get it right, (hitting the 'sweet spot') and find it all rather painful and frustrating.
As you're just 'practicing', and your "memory kicked in" to remind you that it's not time yet - surely if you were to go for the real thing, that memory wouldn't kick in and you'd allow yourself to go all the way, and ctb?
I dunno, I'm just confused as to what you're trying to say here.

 

[D0wn4nd0ut]

I'm confused as to why it scared you when you're obviously getting the result that you will need to ctb.
There aren't many who manage to get it right, (hitting the 'sweet spot') and find it all rather painful and frustrating.
As you're just 'practicing', and your "memory kicked in" to remind you that it's not time yet - surely if you were to go for the real thing, that memory wouldn't kick in and you'd allow yourself to go all the way, and ctb?
I dunno, I'm just confused as to what you're trying to say here.

I'm sorry Sophia, I guess what I'm trying to say is when I did both attempts I was actually gonna try to find the sweet spot like in the megathread and just feel the black out coming, if it did occur, and get out right away because I had never tried anything like this before.. but that wasn't the case, because both times I must have passed out really fast before I could even think to stop myself..

The reason I was scared was because since my family were wide awake and in the next rooms over I kinda knew that if they heard me gasping like I was after blacking out they would know what was up or wonder and come check on me, granted I didn't think it was that quick for me to just pass out then be gasping the next moment.. both times I knew I went further than I intended because I wasn't trying to ctb at the time..

Now I'm ready to find the right time when I have a good 30 min - hour alone and just let it take me..

To be more clear on the questions:

1. How long the gasping/swallowing stage would probably be if I just allow it to happen as my trachea wasn't completely closed?

2. Would the gasping/swallowing stage be what stops my brain/heart? Or is there a point when I would stop breathing from it?

I rather if they do find me it at least be when I'm brain dead and they can't do much for me but pull my plug..

 

[x~Sophia~x]

It's probably not a great idea to do this while your bedroom door is open as well. What we're you thinking?

 

[D0wn4nd0ut]

First time door was open around 7-8pm and it was a spur of the moment type of thing, second was before work with the door closed around 8-9am and that one I wanted to try a different variation of what I did the 1st time, not knowing it would be that effective.

 

[rs929]

Hope you're sure you wanna ctb because you're prolly brain damaging yourself with those attempts

 

[GenesAndEnvironment]

Guess that's why they call it "partial".

 

[Spitfire]

The pathomorphologic features of hanging are considered, and the probable explanation after a careful analysis of circumstances and investigations of death scenes determine if hanging is from either "complete" or "incomplete" suspension of the body.

If there is discrimination in eyewitnesses account of a death, then the use of term "apparent partial hanging" is proposed in such cases.

 

[D0wn4nd0ut]

Hope you're sure you wanna ctb because you're prolly brain damaging yourself with those attempts

I've thought about that lately, I feel it hasn't damaged anything, but I also do wonder if there's a chance of delayed death from this kind of thing as well, after so many attempts it has to put some wear and tear on the neck that might finally tear the carotids and cause a stroke or something..

If that IS the case then it would probably happen fast and if you had a stroke would someone die from that?

 

[Spitfire]

I've thought about that lately, I feel it hasn't damaged anything, but I also do wonder if there's a chance of delayed death from this kind of thing as well, after so many attempts it has to put some wear and tear on the neck that might finally tear the carotids and cause a stroke or something..

If that IS the case then it would probably happen fast and if you had a stroke would someone die from that?

The disability that occurs from stroke depends on the size and location of the brain that suffered loss of blood flow.

More likely to cause deficits of moving, speaking, thinking, remembering, bowel and bladder functions, eating, emotional control, other vital body functions, and just sometimes death.

 

[D0wn4nd0ut]

The disability that occurs from stroke depends on the size and location of the brain that suffered loss of blood flow.

More likely to cause deficits of moving, speaking, thinking, remembering, bowel and bladder functions, eating, emotional control, other vital body functions, and just sometimes death.

So if someone were to be attempting and having risk of these kind of strokes, it's walking a line of fire and could manage to just make life worse in ways unfathomable..

 

[Spitfire]

So if someone were to be attempting and having risk of these kind of strokes, it's walking a line of fire and could manage to just make life worse in ways unfathomable..

100%

 

[Nicothe13th]

Life doesn't get worse when you want to die, it's all just the same nothingness shit
Also, in the nicest way possible, you weren't unconscious when that memory kicked in.

You can choke someone to death in as little as 15-20 seconds, with consciousness lost after about 4-5 seconds, that's why they're hot on it in sports like Bjj.

If you're unconscious and you were hanging, you'd have to be extremely lucky (perhaps?) to survive.

 

[Aap]

You cannot choke someone to death in 15 seconds. That is idiotic. The unconscious gasping is common and not a sign of a stroke. While not seen in every case, it isn't uncommon after a blood choke in martial arts and is simply a reflex action to the brain being temporarily deprived of oxygen or someone unconscious.

 

[Nicothe13th]

Yes you can, quite easily.

Use a blood choke, no oxygen to the brain you're out pretty damn quick.

 

[Spitfire]

Not to death though in 15 seconds that is preposterous.

A blood choke causes cerebral ischemia and a temporary hypoxic condition in the brain.

 

[Nicothe13th]

My apologies, you're right, not to death no.

But it wouldn't take long, i think a matter of minutes max.

 

[D0wn4nd0ut]

You cannot choke someone to death in 15 seconds. That is idiotic. The unconscious gasping is common and not a sign of a stroke. While not seen in every case, it isn't uncommon after a blood choke in martial arts and is simply a reflex action to the brain being temporarily deprived of oxygen or someone unconscious.

I read about that today too, gasping happens when you're unconscious and the brain isn't getting oxygen, I was out cold, had to of been cause it's like I was waking up out of a dream because of the sound of it, kind of like hearing reality sounds in a dream then waking up, then I noticed it was me doing it..

Like I've mentioned before, it felt like I was so tired, mind and body wise, that I felt like I could have just went back to sleep, but I intentionally woke myself up.. it was a truly odd moment in time.

I honestly don't even know how long the whole thing happened, if it was seconds or minutes.

 

[Spitfire]

My apologies, you're right, not to death no.

But it wouldn't take long, i think a matter of minutes max.

Like four minutes or so, until the real bad stuff usually starts happening within a hypoxic brain.

 

[Nicothe13th]

I think less if they're not given cpr, way less but I don't know for sure.

But besides, it's good you're still here, try and figure out your issues and if you can't, there are easier methods.

I have an easy time accepting my own fate, but I struggle with knowing others want to exit, it's kinda weird

 

[D0wn4nd0ut]

I think less if they're not given cpr, way less but I don't know for sure.

But besides, it's good you're still here, try and figure out your issues and if you can't, there are easier methods.

I have an easy time accepting my own fate, but I struggle with knowing others want to exit, it's kinda weird

That's why I made the other thread, some people just need help in ways that doctors can't.

 

[Aap]

The time to cerebral ischemia (brain damage) or death To begin is shorter than 4 minutes with a blood choke held continuously. The reason brain damage doesn't occur until the 5 minute mark or so with a drowning victim is that there is still blood flow, even if O2 sat continues to drop critically low.

For a heart attack where the heart ceases beating or beats ineffectively, brain damage will begin in as little as 3 minutes. I would expect brain damage from a blood choke to begin in this general timeframe, recognizing it may not be a complete occlusion of the carotids and does not impact the vertebral arteries.

 

[rs929]

The time to cerebral ischemia (brain damage) or death To begin is shorter than 4 minutes with a blood choke held continuously. The reason brain damage doesn't occur until the 5 minute mark or so with a drowning victim is that there is still blood flow, even if O2 sat continues to drop critically low.

For a heart attack where the heart ceases beating or beats ineffectively, brain damage will begin in as little as 3 minutes. I would expect brain damage from a blood choke to begin in this general timeframe, recognizing it may not be a complete occlusion of the carotids and does not impact the vertebral arteries.

So Is it actually possible to get brain damage while still being conscious? (i.e practicing partial)

 

[Mentalmick]

So Is it actually possible to get brain damage while still being conscious? (i.e practicing partial)

It would probably depend on how long you are holding it. You're more likely to fuck up your neck and throat I would of thought.

 

[Aap]

@rs929 no that's not even remotely close to what I said. Practically speaking it isn't possible to get brain damage while conscious practicing partial. If the degree of blood restriction is severe enough to cause cerebral ischemia, then it would also result in unconsciousness.

 

[rs929]

@rs929 no that's not even remotely close to what I said. Practically speaking it isn't possible to get brain damage while conscious practicing partial. If the degree of blood restriction is severe enough to cause cerebral ischemia, then it would also result in unconsciousness.

If you build up pressure from compressing the jugulars you could have a stroke, I think
Or a silent brain infarction like in sleep apnea

 

[Aap]

The difference between your post and mine is the difference between "I think" and "I know." A silent brain infarction like in sleep apnea? What are you talking about? Sleep apnea has absolutely nothing to do with a stroke.

Again, the risk of having a stroke while conscious while practicing partial is is as close to zero as to be meaningless. While people have strokes walking, sitting in a chair, etc, unless there is a risk factor or imminent stroke, you won't induce it while conscious.

Hundreds of thousands (or millions) of people every year practice "partial" in martial arts by practicing or completing blood chokes. You do not see people stroking out from a cross collar choke.

I'm not sure if you are just uninformed or are intentionally trying to be misinforming. Your attempt to jump on my post as evidence of a stroke while conscious makes me think it is the latter.

 

[rs929]

The difference between your post and mine is the difference between "I think" and "I know." A silent brain infarction like in sleep apnea? What are you talking about? Sleep apnea has absolutely nothing to do with a stroke.

Again, the risk of having a stroke while conscious while practicing partial is is as close to zero as to be meaningless. While people have strokes walking, sitting in a chair, etc, unless there is a risk factor or imminent stroke, you won't induce it while conscious.

Hundreds of thousands (or millions) of people every year practice "partial" in martial arts by practicing or completing blood chokes. You do not see people stroking out from a cross collar choke.

I'm not sure if you are just uninformed or are intentionally trying to be misinforming. Your attempt to jump on my post as evidence of a stroke while conscious makes me think it is the latter.

You seem a little paranoid. i never intended to "jump" on your post..

No I'm not a doctor. Are you one? I don't think you are because you'd know the relation between sleep apnea and stroke

Obstructive Sleep Apnea–Hypopnea and Incident Stroke: The Sleep Heart Health Study

Rationale: Although obstructive sleep apnea is associated with physiological perturbations that increase risk of hypertension and are proatherogenic, it is uncertain whether sleep apnea is associated with increased stroke risk in the general population.Objectives: ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Snoring and gasping for air? Sleep apnea raises stroke risk

More than 12 million Americans have sleep apnea. Most are undiagnosed or untreated.

nortonhealthcare.com

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/01.STR.27.3.401

Just Google it... it's pretty obvious

The concern about partial suspension causing damage even without losing consciousness was first discussed here. It was a concern of mine, still is, and someone else explained me about the risks -which I admit must not be very high-.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/partial-hanging-brain-damage.56741/

@Thanatonaut gave an answer which totally makes sense to me

I totally believe what he said. If you don't compress your carotid enough to lose consciousness, I don't think you would get brain damage because of hypoxia. However, compressing the jugulars but not the carotid builds up your intracranial pressure ("head exploding feeling") and the longer you hold it the higher the risk of having a.. yes, stroke.

Like I said I'm not a doctor, however the fact that you suggest that I'm intending to "misinform" people is pretty annoying. And it seems that you don't know as much as you claim

 

[Aap]

Sigh, if you want to try to argue from authority at least be consistent. Does sleep apnea occur while conscious? Is sleep apnea an acute or chronic condition? A silent brain infarction like in sleep apnea?

I'm extremely specific in my language and understand what I read. I did not say sleep apnea wasn't a risk factor for stroke (as are many things). Sleep apnea is a chronic condition with, in severe cases, 50 or more apneic episodes per night...every single night. This equates to thousands or over ten thousand episodes per year.

If you believe a single episode of partial hanging where the individual never loses consciousness equates to a markedly elevated risk of stroke, then don't do it. You are completely wrong, as evidenced by the martial arts, but if you don't want to do it, don't do it.

 

[justpeachy]

It would probably depend on how long you are holding it. You're more likely to fuck up your neck and throat I would of thought.

It actually isn't possible as if you are alert you have blood flow to your brain. If there is such a small amount of blood flow that you risk brain damage, you aren't alert. So while practicing if you are alert, the answer is no you cannot get brain damage.