Unconscious Gasping from partial hanging

[rs929]

A straw man fallacy. "A single episode of partial hanging where the individual never loses consciousness equates to a markedly elevated risk of stroke". I expected more. It's cheap. Anyway I don't want to win, that would mean I have an ego and if that was the case I wouldn't be depressed and suicidal.

I would rephrase it more like: "trying to hang yourself constricting your jugulars and building pressure in your head, trying to pass out over and over but failing to do so, in repeated occasions, might create the chance for something to go permanently wrong within your head"

In your favour, seems most people here that attempted partial hanging had no damage at all. (I suspect 99.8% never even managed to commit suicide with it, except for one guy, so it's still 99.8%)

I found at least two cases of tinnitus though. In one case the guy passed out at least three times though. The other one seems to retained consciousness. Last seen time was 1 year ago (yeah I'm actually interested in the topic)

When you have the head exploding feeling, it starts to get worse, falling teeth, higher breathing rate.... and you still manage to retain consciousness. Eventually, at some point, your brain should get fucked, with you still being conscious.

And I have tried many times. I couldn't find the "sweet spot". I avoid getting the head exploding feeling because that means I'm not doing things correctly. So I then try another position. Still no luck. I just suck doing this.

What I found really terrifying about this method, is that you may wake up even after losing consciousness (and this is indeed reported by members here all the time). In that case my fear of being brain damaged would be insurmountable.

 

[Aap]

Do you know what a fucking straw man fallacy is? I didn't do it. Again, I'm precise my language, and you are walking back your position from partial hanging without losing consciousness is a stroke risk to:

I would rephrase it more like: "trying to hang yourself constricting your jugulars and building pressure in your head, trying to pass out over and over but failing to do so, in repeated occasions, might create the chancefor something to go permanently wrong within your head"

Again, people do this every single day in BJJ class...over and over. It just isn't a stroke risk in any meaningful sense of the word. You are greatly overestimating the maximal blood pressure that can build up and markedly underestimating anastomotic blood flow.

If you want to say practicing partial is risky, I'm on board. If you think the major risk (or a significant risk) is a stroke while conscious, you are wrong. The major risk with practicing partial is actually losing consciousness.

 

[D0wn4nd0ut]

I feel like I could have made that stat go down to 99.7% because it really felt like I was getting really close..

My heart was in a panic after the fact, I think I've honestly had irregular heart beats for a week or so after the fact, and when I sleep now I stop breathing and it wakes me up...
I kinda wish I would have experienced what happened if I pulled my head down harder when I got to that stage but I was kinda confused as to what I was doing for at least 8-10 seconds.. would I have went unconscious again and went to the other side? My brain feels fine tho, I may have killed some brain cells off but it seems like I'm back to 100% from what I know, I actually feel smarter lmao!

 

[Spitfire]

I am curious to hear thoughts regarding the possibility of breaking open atherosclerotic neck artery plaques and the formation of blood clots which may break free to potentially cause an infarct?

The elderly or those more at risk for this type of scenario are probably not going to be the ones who are actively training in martial arts choke holds.

I think it is a genuinely realistically possible risk for some people. A very small probability, but it is there and can happen, right?

 

[Natty]

These threads about partial being unreliable or bad are a bit silly in the face of the overwhelming success rates of the method in other parts of the world.

I get it, it's not a great or elegant solution, but talking about 0.001% situations like they are a foregone conclusion is a bit goofy in the wake of thousands and thousands of people doing it each year with stuff like shoestrings in India.

 

[Mentalmick]

These threads about partial being unreliable or bad are a bit silly in the face of the overwhelming success rates of the method in other parts of the world.

I get it, it's not a great or elegant solution, but talking about 0.001% situations like they are a foregone conclusion is a bit goofy in the wake of thousands and thousands of people doing it each year with stuff like shoestrings in India.

Not to mention people doing it with woodworking clamps, a tie and brush shaft and so on.

 

[Spitfire]

These threads about partial being unreliable or bad are a bit silly in the face of the overwhelming success rates of the method in other parts of the world.

I get it, it's not a great or elegant solution, but talking about 0.001% situations like they are a foregone conclusion is a bit goofy in the wake of thousands and thousands of people doing it each year with stuff like shoestrings in India.

Sure, however, if I am going to begin a carotid massage on somebody I will still be listening for a bruit prior no matter how small the chance... because it can cause a cerebrovascular accident.

 

[Natty]

because it can cause a cerebrovascular accident.

So can masturbating.

 

[Mentalmick]

Cerebrovascular? Wasn't he in the X-Men?

 

[Spitfire]

So can masturbating.

And going number two (pooping) on the toilet too, from straining... right, or no?

 

[rs929]

These threads about partial being unreliable or bad are a bit silly in the face of the overwhelming success rates of the method in other parts of the world.

I get it, it's not a great or elegant solution, but talking about 0.001% situations like they are a foregone conclusion is a bit goofy in the wake of thousands and thousands of people doing it each year with stuff like shoestrings in India.

Show me a goodbye thread of someone using partial (the guy from megathread doesn't count)
@Aap

there, you and your BJJ.

The risk is significantly lower than I thought, but it still seems much higher than virtually not existant

 

[Natty]

Show me a goodbye thread of someone using partial (the guy from megathread doesn't count)

According to this forum the vast majority of the world's suicides would be from SN, we know from decades long meta-analysis and study that in the real world this is absolutely not the case, in fact, the percentages of suicides in the world from SN would be so small it would would be nearly statistically negligible.

These forums are not an accurate representation of the world when it comes to suicide methodology.

 

[rs929]

I feel like I could have made that stat go down to 99.7% because it really felt like I was getting really close..

My heart was in a panic after the fact, I think I've honestly had irregular heart beats for a week or so after the fact, and when I sleep now I stop breathing and it wakes me up...
I kinda wish I would have experienced what happened if I pulled my head down harder when I got to that stage but I was kinda confused as to what I was doing for at least 8-10 seconds.. would I have went unconscious again and went to the other side? My brain feels fine tho, I may have killed some brain cells off but it seems like I'm back to 100% from what I know, I actually feel smarter lmao!

Hey sorry, you're the OP and we are not actually paying attention to you, lol. Are you concerned about possible damage?. I guess you could see a doctor and tell him you've got a concussion in order to get a MRI.

According to this forum the vast majority of the world's suicides would be from SN, we know from decades long meta-analysis and study that in the real world this is absolutely not the case, in fact, the percentages of suicides in the world from SN would be so small it would would be nearly statistically negligible.

These forums are not an accurate representation of the world when it comes to suicide methodology.

According to this forum the vast majority of the world's suicides would be from SN, we know from decades long meta-analysis and study that in the real world this is absolutely not the case, in fact, the percentages of suicides in the world from SN would be so small it would would be nearly statistically negligible.

These forums are not an accurate representation of the world when it comes to suicide methodology.

Well this is true to some degree. It is the sample we've got though, and it shows partial seems to be extremely ineffective.
I don't think there is a lot of data of attempted suicides out there. Yes, thousands have committed suicide using partial, but maybe you don't know about the millions that actually attempted and failed.
I don't know other data source apart from this forum to analyze success/failure ratio of the partial method other than this forum, do you?

 

[Aap]

As I said, anything can cause a stroke, including walking, sitting on the toilet etc. . This site has no concept of relative risk and sees an example as "high probability." If you look at the number of BJJ and Judo practitioners over the past hundred years and the number of blood chokes practiced and performed, then the risk is virtually nonexistent. The international judo federation estimates 50 million practitioners living, and this doesn't include past members. There are an estimated 3 million living BJJ practitioners.

if you assume only practicing 20 blood chokes in a lifetime (which is an ABSURDLY low number), this is OVER A BILLION attempts. You are telling me a handful is statistically significant?? How many of the handful would have had a stroke just sitting in a chair a few years later.