UK trying to close SS - explains police checks

[M3lancholia]

First Ofcom probe launched into suicide site exposed by BBC

BBC News found the forum, which has thousands of members, is linked to at least 50 deaths in the UK.

www.bbc.com

 

[catfriend]

On 17 March, Ofcom got powers to take action against sites hosting illegal content, which includes assisting suicide.

what nonsense!

 

[MathConspiracy]

Brits, just get Tor. It's free so no need to pay for a VPN.

To Ofcom spies: You can't get your citizens off this site. They'll just join using a VPN / Tor connection. Fun fact: if you really want to die, you will off yourself no matter what. Which one would the British government prefer: peaceful SN deaths or shotgun-decapitated corpses? Yeah, me too.

 

[aiyuxhan]

First Ofcom probe launched into suicide site exposed by BBC

BBC News found the forum, which has thousands of members, is linked to at least 50 deaths in the UK.

www.bbc.com

Dang, :/

 

[gothbird]

Of course the BBC spins it this way.

Let's be real, this is the same tired playbook. Tragedy happens, institutions fail, someone dies, and instead of asking why people are desperate enough to find these spaces, they blame the existence of the space itself.

The forum didn't cause these people to suffer. It didn't invent chronic pain, abandonment, poverty, abuse, mental illness, or lack of access to care. It gave people somewhere to speak openly when the rest of the world either ignored them, locked them up, or buried them in platitudes. But instead of addressing the root causes, they go after a message board as if erasing it will erase the despair.

And the numbers? The so called "50 deaths"? First, most are based on tenuous connections and unverified assumptions. Second, it says something that the only people who ever talk about numbers are the media and the state not the people who actually understand what it's like to be here. No one talks about how many people didn't die because they had a place to talk it through without being punished for it.

Do I think some people post recklessly? Yes. Do I think some threads cross lines? Yes. But those aren't reasons to shut down an entire space where people come looking for honesty and autonomy. You don't criminalise a support group just because it's not the kind you'd host in a hospital.

And let's not pretend Ofcom is riding in to save lives. They're flexing new powers granted by the Online Safety Act which, at its core, is about surveillance and control, not compassion. If they really cared about suicide prevention, they'd be investing in housing, trauma services, disability care, and mental health access. Not chasing anonymous forums hosted overseas.

This isn't prevention. It's PR. And people will keep dying...not because a forum exists, but because the world they're forced to live in remains unbearable.

 

[ignorableaurochs]

This makes me so angry. This and the assisted dying bill being pilloried (there are admitted issues with the bill but I almost wonder if they are deliberate additions to stop it from going through). My home was raided a couple of days ago and my SN seized, and now they are trying to take away any option to even discuss this stuff. This DOES NOT HELP US. It just means more people are going to suffer needlessly to oblige the ghoulish agenda of the pro-life brigade.

 

[Jadeith]

Yea, lets "investigate" and then ban Harbor Freight or other Castorama next because they are selling ropes.


They are looking hard for scapegoat to blame for their failure to uplift loved ones.

 

[Dot]

And let's not pretend Ofcom is riding in to save lives. They're flexing new powers granted by the Online Safety Act which, at its core, is about surveillance and control, not compassion. If they really cared about suicide prevention, they'd be investing in housing, trauma services, disability care, and mental health access.

UK govrnmnt = laghble bcse thy r 'prevntng suicde' on 1 hnd & kiilng ppl wh/ actully wn2 liv wth thr policis on th/ othr

Slf wondr hw mny mre deths thre wll b aftr PIP/disblty paymnt changs tke effct - 100s of 1000s r xpectd 2 b affectd

82 benefit claimants have died after some alleged DWP activity such as termination of benefits, BBC finds | Disability Rights UK

www.disabilityrightsuk.org

 

[billie]

i'm not from the uk but bbc can go fuck themselves

 

[steveholt]

Abortion=
pro-choice, your body your choices.. cross the barrier the police put in place around clinics and you get arrested for it for interferring with a persons life..

SS=
pro-choice and you say hi someone one mention a word.. and we are the ones getting crap..

I belive that we all have our own minds and choices but aswell as sometimes the longer we are on here talking ..the longer we are here.... we all need a place to talk a place to vent or argue... share music, jokes, SPAM along with other information
.... where as you cant talk honestly on FB or twitter ...or even to your doctor about these issues our thoughts without ending it in being locked up in a rubber room on watch ...here there is no judgment just honest open discussion

 

[gothbird]

UK govrnmnt = laghble bcse thy r 'prevntng suicde' on 1 hnd & kiilng ppl wth thr policis on th/ othr

Slf wondr hw mny mre deths thre wll b aftr PIP/disblty paymnt changs tke effct - 100s of 1000s r xpectd 2 b affectd

82 benefit claimants have died after some alleged DWP activity such as termination of benefits, BBC finds | Disability Rights UK

www.disabilityrightsuk.org

Exactly. It's laughable if it weren't so fucking cruel.

You can't claim to be "preventing suicide" while simultaneously gutting the very systems that keep vulnerable people alive. You can't push disabled people into destitution, strip away lifelines like PIP, deny housing, slash mental health services—and then act shocked when the death toll rises.

They don't want to prevent suicide. They want to prevent visible liability. That's what all this Ofcom nonsense is about—control the narrative, not the suffering. As long as people die quietly, without making a mess in public, they don't care how or why it happens.

The upcoming changes to disability payments are going to be devastating for those in the UK. Hundreds of thousands will lose what little they rely on. We've seen what happens when they "reassess" people—it's already led to suicides. And it will again.

This isn't protection. It's managed abandonment. And people know it.

 

[2messdup]

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[Dot]

Exactly. It's laughable if it weren't so fucking cruel.

You can't claim to be "preventing suicide" while simultaneously gutting the very systems that keep vulnerable people alive. You can't push disabled people into destitution, strip away lifelines like PIP, deny housing, slash mental health services—and then act shocked when the death toll rises.

They don't want to prevent suicide. They want to prevent visible liability. That's what all this Ofcom nonsense is about—control the narrative, not the suffering. As long as people die quietly, without making a mess in public, they don't care how or why it happens.

The upcoming changes to disability payments are going to be devastating for those in the UK. Hundreds of thousands will lose what little they rely on. We've seen what happens when they "reassess" people—it's already led to suicides. And it will again.

This isn't protection. It's managed abandonment. And people know it.

Am ironclly linkng BBC hre bt govrnmnt r b-ing tld tht thr polcy changs wll nt triggr th/ desird effct on claimnts b-havr bt thy r pushng thru wth thm n.e wy bcse thy 'knw bettr' -- dspite th/ fct tht govrnmnt r restrictng an alrdy 'in wrk' benft in ordr t/ psh mre ppl in2 wrk

200 IQ mve

BBC News - Starmer criticises watchdog's benefits forecasts

Keir Starmer criticises watchdog's benefits forecasts

The PM says he "struggles" with how the Office for Budget Responsibility calculates the impact his policies.

www.bbc.com

 

[Darkover]

Pro-suicide website to be investigated by Ofcom under its new powers

The site reportedly has tens of thousands of members with users discussing methods of suicide, sharing information about how to use a toxic chemical.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[betternever2havbeen]

I can still get on here (obviously) but can't get on KF anymore. I'll be totally gutted if this site goes for me too. It's such a support to so many of us. Ofc they wanna take it away and make us even more isolated.

His parents have evidence that he was coached and encouraged to take his own life by members on the site, which we aren't naming.

Well I'd love to see the evidence of this.

The BBC also joined the forum using a false identity, compiling a list of the dead and exposing a partner section where members could find someone to die with.

The BBC joining under false pretences just laughing at all the depressed losers and pretending to be one of us? No words for that deception, disgusting.

 

[Redleaf1992]

Am ironclly linkng BBC hre bt govrnmnt r b-ing tld tht thr polcy changs wll nt triggr th/ desird effct on claimnts b-havr bt thy r pushng thru wth thm n.e wy bcse thy 'knw bettr' -- dspite th/ fct tht govrnmnt r restrictng an alrdy 'in wrk' benft in ordr t/ psh mre ppl in2 wrk

200 IQ mve

BBC News - Starmer criticises watchdog's benefits forecasts

Keir Starmer criticises watchdog's benefits forecasts

The PM says he "struggles" with how the Office for Budget Responsibility calculates the impact his policies.

www.bbc.com

I said it before in my brain mashed rumblings but I'll say it again. This forum isn't the pro sucide pushers.

It's all these people fucking over the ones who can't defend themselves. The whole system is cruel, and they want to look like the hero by pin pointing the blame here.

If you want to stop sucide, you give people a reason to live - not restrict free will.

 

[Dot]

Well I'd love to see the evidence of this.

Wh/ knws bt slf ws tld tht thre ws vdeo of thm claimng tht th/ ste hs 'zro' recvry rsourcs



Ofc th/ paprs wll nt nme th/ ste fr obvs reasns s/ readrs or ppl viewng tht vdeo wll nt knw n.e dffrntly - bt thse instutns wll pst thse claims knowng 100% tht = bll-sht as thy hve dne wth othr thngs

 

[gothbird]

Am ironclly linkng BBC hre bt govrnmnt r b-ing tld tht thr polcy changs wll nt triggr th/ desird effct on claimnts b-havr bt thy r pushng thru wth thm n.e wy bcse thy 'knw bettr' -- dspite th/ fct tht govrnmnt r restrictng an alrdy 'in wrk' benft in ordr t/ psh mre ppl in2 wrk

200 IQ mve

BBC News - Starmer criticises watchdog's benefits forecasts

Keir Starmer criticises watchdog's benefits forecasts

The PM says he "struggles" with how the Office for Budget Responsibility calculates the impact his policies.

www.bbc.com

Ah yes, the classic "we know better" move! Ignore your own commissioned impact assessments, dismiss expert warnings, and bulldoze through anyway because optics matter more than outcomes!

You couldn't write a more backwards policy if you tried.

 

[Dante_]

Ah yes, the classic "we know better" move! Ignore your own commissioned impact assessments, dismiss expert warnings, and bulldoze through anyway because optics matter more than outcomes!

You couldn't write a more backwards policy if you tried.

Yeah, all in all, this is really exhausting if im being honest, we clearly don't live in a world that truly values the honesty behind the conversations that take place here, I thought it would've been a learning experience for those on the outside who could really understand why it is this place is here and why more people keep finding it because it's either the only outlet left they have to be honest about their own problems or not feel alone because there is a REAL community here.

The same people who claim that they want to 'destigmatise suicide' to make it easier for people to talk are the same ones who want to portray all suicidal people as being mentally incompetent to the point where they can't be allowed to make personal decisions about their own welfare, and need to be 'protected', this is their way of "protecting" us, incredibly laughable if it wasn't already frustrating.

 

[gothbird]

Yeah, all in all, this is really exhausting if im being honest, we clearly don't live in a world that truly values the honesty behind the conversations that take place here, I thought it would've been a learning experience for those on the outside who could really understand why it is this place is here and why more people keep finding it because it's either the only outlet left they have to be honest about their own problems or not feel alone.

The same people who claim that they want to 'destigmatise suicide' to make it easier for people to talk are the same ones who want to portray all suicidal people as being mentally incompetent to the point where they can't be allowed to make personal decisions about their own welfare, and need to be 'protected', this is their way of "protecting" us, incredibly laughable if it wasn't already frustrating.

Exactly. It's maddening.

They say they want open conversations, but only if those conversations fit their narrative. Pain is fine to talk about, as long as you're not allowed to name the fact that you don't want to keep living with it. The moment you say, "this isn't working, and I want out," suddenly it's not a conversation anymore.

Destigmatisation means nothing if the moment someone speaks honestly, they get locked away or written off as irrational.

This space exists because every other one failed. It shouldn't have to exist but it does, because people need somewhere to be unapologetically honest about what it feels like to exist in a world that only values survival, not wellbeing.

And the fact that they refuse to understand why people keep showing up here says more about them than it ever could about us.

 

[ClamChowder]

Angus Crawford, one of the journalists, made an account on here and engaged with members. It's extremely unprofessional to do that. When he was confronted he made another account and started posting. He then disabled both of them.

I could talk about other things mentioned in this but they've already been mentioned in other threads.

 

[Dante_]

When he was confronted he disabled his account. He then made another account and started posting again before we removed him.

I really cannot stand him, not a shred of integrity left in him, if there ever was any to begin with.

 

[betternever2havbeen]

Wh/ knws bt slf ws tld tht thre ws vdeo of thm claimng tht th/ ste hs 'zro' recvry rsourcs

well they're wrong about that for a start.

@gothbird such good points. Yeah I imagine they would keep moving the goalposts on what was allowed to be talked about if they had the power. Either that or a blanket ban on anything more than "I'm feeling a little bit sad today" and then these twats have the audacity to champion opening up about mental health and reducing the stigma. Suicide is STILL taboo, we STILL won't bother talking about it with morons who don't understand. Is more of this nonsense going to be on the bloody news tonight as well? Probably.

That guy Vlad was in horrible pain with some disorder that can't be cured. Maybe if the UK wasn't such a shithole and actually gave people pain medication other than paracetamol (maybe a tiny bit of morphine if you're dying) or some hope of managing their condition, people in chronic pain wouldn't resort to suicide.

 

[gothbird]

Angus Crawford, one of the journalists made an account on here and engaged with members. It's extremely unprofessional to do that. When he was confronted he made another account and started posting. He then disabled both of them.

I could talk about other things mentioned in this but they've already been mentioned in other threads.

I really cannot stand him, not a shred of integrity left in him, if there ever was any to begin with.

It's beyond unprofessional. It's manipulative.

Journalists pretending to engage in good faith while secretly gathering material for a hit piece isn't just unethical, it's predatory. This isn't an open press conference. To exploit that vulnerability for headlines is disgusting.

And the fact that he made a second account after being caught? That says everything. They don't care about truth. If they have to lie to build it, they will.

They're here to criminalise. Can't feed them what they came for.

well they're wrong about that for a start.

@gothbird such good points. Yeah I imagine they would keep moving the goalposts on what was allowed to be talked about if they had the power. Either that or a blanket ban on anything more than "I'm feeling a little bit sad today" and then these twats have the audacity to champion opening up about mental health and reducing the stigma. Suicide is STILL taboo, we STILL won't bother talking about it with morons who don't understand. Is more of this nonsense going to be on the bloody news tonight as well? Probably.

That guy Vlad was in horrible pain with some disorder that can't be cured. Maybe if the UK wasn't such a shithole and actually gave people pain medication other than paracetamol (maybe a tiny bit of morphine if you're dying) or some hope of managing their condition, people in chronic pain wouldn't resort to suicide.

If they had their way, the only acceptable post would be "I'm struggling, but I'm staying strong " and even that would probably get flagged if it made someone uncomfortable.

They want sanitized suffering. And when people like Vlad speak plainly, or make choices that challenge the illusion of control, they're painted as victims of the internet, not as human beings failed by a brutal system.

And yes, you're absolutely right about chronic pain in the UK. The NHS barely manages to acknowledge it, let alone treat it. As someone who suffers with Fibromyalgia, I've heard hundreds of stories of people being sent home with paracetamol for conditions that ruin their lives. Palliative care gets more compassion than those expected to live for decades in agony.

They don't get to act shocked when people want out. They built the exit.

 

[CravingPeace]

It's beyond unprofessional. It's manipulative.

Journalists pretending to engage in good faith while secretly gathering material for a hit piece isn't just unethical, it's predatory. This isn't an open press conference. To exploit that vulnerability for headlines is disgusting.

And the fact that he made a second account after being caught? That says everything. They don't care about truth. If they have to lie to build it, they will.

They're here to criminalise. Can't feed them what they came for.

If they had their way, the only acceptable post would be "I'm struggling, but I'm staying strong " and even that would probably get flagged if it made someone uncomfortable.

They want sanitized suffering. And when people like Vlad speak plainly, or make choices that challenge the illusion of control, they're painted as victims of the internet, not as human beings failed by a brutal system.

And yes, you're absolutely right about chronic pain in the UK. The NHS barely manages to acknowledge it, let alone treat it. As someone who suffers with Fibromyalgia, I've heard hundreds of stroies of people being sent home with paracetamol for conditions that ruin their lives. Palliative care gets more compassion than those expected to live for decades in agony.

They don't get to act shocked when people want out. They built the exit.

They didn't just build the exit, they led us to it.

 

[ignorableaurochs]

Angus Crawford, one of the journalists made an account on here and engaged with members. It's extremely unprofessional to do that. When he was confronted he made another account and started posting. He then disabled both of them.

I could talk about other things mentioned in this but they've already been mentioned in other threads.

this is infuriating and I cannot believe it doesn't violate some kind of journalistic ethics. as others have mentioned, this is predatory. there is no voice for us - if we speak up on other platforms we are banned, if we are honest with those in real life we risk reprisal from psych services or other stigma. it is truly a campaign to silence us.

 

[Dot]

National Union of Journalists (NUJ): Code of conduct

The code of conduct has set out the main principles of UK and Irish journalism since 1936. The code is part of the rules of the union.

www.nuj.org.uk

If thy considrd th/ info 2 b 'ovrhwhelmngly in publc intrst' thn thy wld cnsidr undr-covr investg8tve journlsm as justfid

Hwever thre = evdnce tht no 2 & 3 wre defntly nt followd in covrge of frum

 

[Corvette90]

More bad news to contend with. It's unbelievable really. Grown adults are not allowed to have sensible conversations about ending their pain. This just really adds to stress. Next tents and charcoal will be banned/ regulated. How can these journalists twist this so much. I pray this site never goes down. To any journalists: I have been suicidal since I was 19 very long long time ago. Way before this site, methods I considered were way more risky and traumatic.

 

[CravingPeace]

I would consider this confirmation of the UK welfare checks occurring. Lines up perfectly to members' reports. Stay safe out there UK friends. It's very possible this can spread to other countries as well. Stay cool and prepared.

 

[beeptad]

This is a link to the ofcom article if anyone's interested, https://www.ofcom.org.uk/online-saf...tent/ofcom-investigates-online-suicide-forum/. I'm guessing this means SaSu is very likely to be banned in the UK in the near future.