Venting ugly short people should not have kids

[johnnywalter271]

Having kids as 2 ugly short people is setting your offspring up for failure.
This should be forbidden by law.

I am short and ugly and am always ignored.
People constantly make jokes about my height and appearance as if I chose to look this way. I am not even mad at other people, but my parents. Why did they choose to have kids knowing that I would be ugly as shit.
I can't imagine myself keep living like this. I truly want to end this shit. I want to live a normal life. I want to have a good social circle. I don't want to be the social reject.
One part of me says to go all out with surgeries and one part tells me to just end it all. It's a constant war.
However, even if I try to fix myself, the years of constant bullying will never leave me. My mind is too far gone atp.

The point tho: if you get a kid as a couple of ugly short people, your kids will be ugly and short. They WILL get bullied and will never get loved like their peers.
Even if they manage to get friends, they will never be the first option anywhere. They will develop anxiety and will resent humanity.
Getting kids when you're ugly and short should be forbidden!

 

[shineboy2k15taliban]

I fully agree with this

 

[johnnywalter271]

I fully agree with this

I'm glad haha
but truly living like this is a fucking hell
knowing my genetics, I'd never want children
I have honestly lost all hope to live and see no future for myself

 

[Subhumano]

I hate being subhuman, if I was good looking my life would be so good

 

[johnnywalter271]

I hate being subhuman, if I was good looking my life would be so good

same...
you will never be truly loved and lusted over, while being subhuman
even if you go for surgeries, deep down you're still an abused dog
the world is not fair :(

 

[shineboy2k15taliban]

I'm glad haha
but truly living like this is a fucking hell
knowing my genetics, I'd never want children
I have honestly lost all hope to live and see no future for myself

ugly people in general should not be able to have kids with ugly/pretty people
that way ugly people can go extinct and in just a few generations, ugliness will cease to exist, and everyone will be pleasing to look at

 

[getoutgirl]

Eugenics yippee!

 

[johnnywalter271]

ugly people in general should not be able to have kids with ugly/pretty people
that way ugly people can go extinct and in just a few generations, ugliness will cease to exist, and everyone will be pleasing to look at

I agree
I guess we'll just have to rot away, waiting to go extinct or speed that process up

Eugenics yippee!

sad but harsh truth
sometimes I dream about how certain situations would have been for me if I weren't ugly, would the jokes still have been made? would people finally have treated me with a little more respect? would the bullying stop?
guess I can only imagine...
I truly don't wish this pain on anyone else

 

[Subhumano]

same...
you will never be truly loved and lusted over, while being subhuman
even if you go for surgeries, deep down you're still an abused dog
the world is not fair :(

Being subhuman is the worst thing that can happen to a human male

 

[johnnywalter271]

Being subhuman is the worst thing that can happen to a human male

maybe in a next life we'd be handsome...
maybe in a next life, we would be happy
maybe in a next life, we would receive a little respect
maybe in a next life, we wouldnt be the topic for the jokes
maybe in a next life, we would't be ashamed of ourselves in public situations
maybe... maybe... maybe...
i fully gave up on this life

 

[patheticparasite]

ugly people in general should not be able to have kids with ugly/pretty people
that way ugly people can go extinct and in just a few generations, ugliness will cease to exist, and everyone will be pleasing to look at

I'm sure society would find new phenotypes to discriminate against.

 

[ilvgore]

same, my father and mother aren't the most attractive people and i always stood out
small, ugly, skinny, childish features while my female friends were always considered beautiful and more striking than me ive been called dozen of times ugly even infront of me

 

[shineboy2k15taliban]

I'm sure society would find new phenotypes to discriminate against.

shit you're right humans are insufferable eithr that or their expectations and beauty standards go way higher

 

[lamy's sacred sleep]

stopping people from having kids is probably quite infeasible but yeah

 

[LastNite]

same, my father and mother aren't the most attractive people and i always stood out
small, ugly, skinny, childish features while my female friends were always considered beautiful and more striking than me ive been called dozen of times ugly even infront of me

is that you in your pfp?

 

[getoutgirl]

Aight imma share a few words
I don't believe anyone is subhuman here, I believe you believe that, but most importantly I believe you feel all that pain that it involves. Not denying any of that or saying it's easy actually, nope. I get it, I get wanting to fucking die cos of your body.
But I'm really not on board on making it illegal for certain people to have babies. Even with what you mentioned.
Like I really hope no one ever discovers the genetic cause for autism, or transness, or homosexuality or any of that. Because then they'd try and "fix" it. They'd say "well my children would have a worse life being X because society would treat them worse" so they'd try and genocide these minorities under the veil of medicine instead of fixing those societal problems! (E u g e n i c s). That's why the banned baby sex screening of fetuses in China!
And same with that uglyness you talk about, which would require a standard (and I just know what that'd be, the Germans tried that, were working towards that and it is Not a pretty process.) It is dehumanizing. Made even harder when you are already feeling not human, but that's not the path there. This leads to those in power/social superiority or however you refer to "the hot ones" deciding who and who is not worthy of living among them.
and that sucks
thank u 4 reading

 

[dewdrop]

I understand the sentiment comes from a lot of pain, but making that a law sounds really extreme, like getoutgirl mentioned, it's just eugenics. What is the threshold for "ugly"? It's already an oppressive law, but could they further take this subjective "ugly" to ban other groups of people from having children? I think of different races or ethnicities who are shorter on average, or anyone who doesn't meet a standard of Eurocentric beauty standards that are pushed in the west.

Aight imma share a few words
I don't believe anyone is subhuman here, I believe you believe that, but most importantly I believe you feel all that pain that it involves. Not denying any of that or saying it's easy actually, nope. I get it, I get wanting to fucking die cos of your body.
But I'm really not on board on making it illegal for certain people to have babies. Even with what you mentioned.
Like I really hope no one ever discovers the genetic cause for autism, or transness, or homosexuality or any of that. Because then they'd try and "fix" it. They'd say "well my children would have a worse life being X because society would treat them worse" so they'd try and genocide these minorities under the veil of medicine instead of fixing those societal problems! (E u g e n i c s). That's why the banned baby sex screening of fetuses in China!
And same with that uglyness you talk about, which would require a standard (and I just know what that'd be, the Germans tried that, were working towards that and it is Not a pretty process.) It is dehumanizing. Made even harder when you are already feeling not human, but that's not the path there. This leads to those in power/social superiority or however you refer to "the hot ones" deciding who and who is not worthy of living among them.
and that sucks
thank u 4 reading

It's a little off topic, but in the US, JFK is already in the process of amassing American's medical records for a big "autism study" and he is really interested in finding a "cause" for autism. I've seen some people say they're excited for that, but like you said, it's so so so so scary. What are they going to do with this information? I'm really relieved that I asked my doctors not to write an autism diagnosis into my record in anticipation of something like this happening. I hope that having it listed in some of my notes won't affect anything if I don't have an official diagnosis in my records.

 

[johnnywalter271]

I agree with you guys @getoutgirl and @dewdrop and @lamy's sacred sleep
I am just talking from my own perspective as an ugly born child
I never chose to be alive. I never wanted to be born and especially not born ugly.

If I take a look at my parents, I can clearly see that they are not goodlooking in any sort of way. They could have seen that theirselves and chose to not get children.
Having lived and felt this pain, I wouldn't wish this pain on anybody. Therefore I will never plan to have children and people that find/found theirselves in my shoes should make the same decision.

 

[bankai]

Aight imma share a few words
I don't believe anyone is subhuman here, I believe you believe that, but most importantly I believe you feel all that pain that it involves. Not denying any of that or saying it's easy actually, nope. I get it, I get wanting to fucking die cos of your body.
But I'm really not on board on making it illegal for certain people to have babies. Even with what you mentioned.
Like I really hope no one ever discovers the genetic cause for autism, or transness, or homosexuality or any of that. Because then they'd try and "fix" it. They'd say "well my children would have a worse life being X because society would treat them worse" so they'd try and genocide these minorities under the veil of medicine instead of fixing those societal problems! (E u g e n i c s). That's why the banned baby sex screening of fetuses in China!
And same with that uglyness you talk about, which would require a standard (and I just know what that'd be, the Germans tried that, were working towards that and it is Not a pretty process.) It is dehumanizing. Made even harder when you are already feeling not human, but that's not the path there. This leads to those in power/social superiority or however you refer to "the hot ones" deciding who and who is not worthy of living among them.
and that sucks
thank u 4 reading

Girl,you had me on the first line

 

[Pale_Rider]

Good thing Im ugly, and tall! Jk Im a God.

 

[johnnywalter271]

Good thing Im ugly, and tall! Jk Im a God.

honest question: does it make any difference being tall?

 

[Pale_Rider]

honest question: does it make any difference being tall?

Only when you want something from the top shelf. har har.

 

[getoutgirl]

If I take a look at my parents, I can clearly see that they are not goodlooking in any sort of way. They could have seen that theirselves and chose to not get children.
Having lived and felt this pain, I wouldn't wish this pain on anybody. Therefore I will never plan to have children and people that find/found theirselves in my shoes should make the same decision.

Again, I empathize a lot with hating one's body, it's a passion of mine. But I do have to point out that if your parents are pretty ugly like you say, yet found eachother, and married and got physical in order to spew u out and all that, kinda disproves ugly people are unloveable. Or that they'd never be lusted over or loved. I knew people who could scare a hog and they had love, and friends, and they were pretty happy. You have your parents and I'm sure you think similar of other "ugly" people getting that. How do you explain that to yourself? Not judging, but I think it's quite important to reflect whats going on there

It's a little off topic, but in the US, JFK is already in the process of amassing American's medical records for a big "autism study" and he is really interested in finding a "cause" for autism. I've seen some people say they're excited for that, but like you said, it's so so so so scary. What are they going to do with this information? I'm really relieved that I asked my doctors not to write an autism diagnosis into my record in anticipation of something like this happening. I hope that having it listed in some of my notes won't affect anything if I don't have an official diagnosis in my records.

And also VERY on topic. Fucking Terrifying shit going over there. I don't live there but same thing I'm never risking getting that diagnosed less put into record. Give it a couple or even just one bad election and you might be in for surprises. I don't think getting a parking spot is worth having your full humanity institutionally put into question, or worse.

 

[johnnywalter271]

Again, I empathize a lot with hating one's body, it's a passion of mine. But I do have to point out that if your parents are pretty ugly like you say, yet found eachother, and married and got physical in order to spew u out and all that, kinda disproves ugly people are unloveable. Or that they'd never be lusted over or loved. I knew people who could scare a hog and they had love, and friends, and they were pretty happy. You have your parents and I'm sure you think similar of other "ugly" people getting that. How do you explain that to yourself? Not judging, but I think it's quite important to reflect whats going on there


And also VERY on topic. Fucking Terrifying shit going over there. I don't live there but same thing I'm never risking getting that diagnosed less put into record. Give it a couple or even just one bad election and you might be in for surprises. I don't think getting a parking spot is worth having your full humanity institutionally put into question, or worse.

arranged marriage...
I have never felt true love, only pain

 

[EvisceratedJester]

I mean, first off, height is controlled by many environmental factors, such as the chemistry of your mother's uterus back when she was pregnant with you to whether or not your nutritional needs were properly met during childhood. The effects of heritability tend to also be less strong in cases of greater social disparities. In other words, short people not having kids won't necessarily lead to there being no more short kids.

What is tall or short is also somewhat subjective. A woman who is 5'7 might be seen as average height by someone who is Dutch, because that population is taller as a whole. Meanwhile, someone who is Filipino might consider that person to be quite tall because their population is short as a whole. What is seen as tall or short can vary quite a bit depending on the area you live in since it comes down to average height of those around you.


Secondly, beauty is in some capacity subjective and beauty ideals change in response to shifts in things, like culture, status, changes in trends, etc. What we consider ugly now may not be considered such in the future. Along with that, how good you look can also be impacted by environmental factors as well and some people may have parents who aren't considered conventially attractive but may have lucked out in inheriting their features that better fit with present beauty standards.

Basically, short ugly people not having kids won't do much because what is deemed as beautiful or ugly is subjective to some extent and changes over time and height and beauty are controlled for by many factors outside of just genetics. You'll probably still end up with people deemed as "short" and "ugly".

 

[KillingPain267]

You can say this for everyone (anti-natalism):
Don't have kids at all because having kids risks that they suffer. Beautiful and famous people can also suffer from anxiety and depression, look at actors. The kids could also be born beautiful even, but get disfigured later in life by disease and/or accident. In fact, everyone will sort of get disfigured (it's called aging). And then even every single child born is automatically subjected to have to undergo a more or less painful death process by the end of the aging process. Why force ANYONE into this world where there is pain, risk of pain and guaranteed death?

 

[johnnywalter271]

I mean, first off, height is controlled by many environmental factors, such as the chemistry of your mother's uterus back when she was pregnant with you to whether or not your nutritional needs were properly met during childhood. The effects of heritability tend to also be less strong in cases of greater social disparities. In other words, short people not having kids won't necessarily lead to there being no more short kids.

What is tall or short is also somewhat subjective. A woman who is 5'7 might be seen as average height by someone who is Dutch, because that population is taller as a whole. Meanwhile, someone who is Filipino might consider that person to be quite tall because their population is short as a whole. What is seen as tall or short can vary quite a bit depending on the area you live in since it comes down to average height of those around you.


Secondly, beauty is in some capacity subjective and beauty ideals change in response to shifts in things, like culture, status, changes in trends, etc. What we consider ugly now may not be considered such in the future. Along with that, how good you look can also be impacted by environmental factors as well and some people may have parents who aren't considered conventially attractive but may have lucked out in inheriting their features that better fit with present beauty standards.

Basically, short ugly people not having kids won't do much because what is deemed as beautiful or ugly is subjective to some extent and changes over time and height and beauty are controlled for by many factors outside of just genetics. You'll probably still end up with people deemed as "short" and "ugly".

I get what you mean, but when people tell you in your face that you're are short and ugly on the regular, it's very easy to draw the conclusion.
The last compliment I ever received was 10 years ago and it was about my shoes, not even about my appearance.
I have been bullied about my appearance since the moment I can remember.
One instance I found out the people in my class had a secret groupchat about me where they would literally laugh about my appearance.
If anyone else experienced the pain I have, I think they would have left a long time ago.

You can say this for everyone (anti-natalism):
Don't have kids at all because having kids risks that they suffer. Beautiful and famous people can also suffer from anxiety and depression, look at actors. The kids could also be born beautiful even, but get disfigured later in life by disease and/or accident. In fact, everyone will sort of get disfigured (it's called aging). And then even every single child born is automatically subjected to have to undergo a more or less painful death process by the end of the aging process. Why force ANYONE into this world where there is pain, risk of pain and guaranteed death?

I agree with you, but I can't even think about aging with my current looks.
If I age, I will genuinely scare people on the street.
I hope I will be gone before that ever happens.

 

[Haematemesis]

no one should have kids!

 

[TheLightOfMyLife]

no one should have kids!

I don't agree. I think life can be good, wonderful even. It's just that for many people it won't be. I'm 5'11, half black, ugly as all shit, and because of that I know no woman can love me. However, if I was white, 6'2, attractive, I would be able to have a good life almost certainly and I wouldn't be depressed or miserable

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Even so, they still find ways to make it happen anyway so there's certainly still hope for the short and ugly out there.