Trump: There will only be two genders, male and female.

[KlMeNw]

Does this situation affect you at all? And I don't mean arguments on the internet that you voluntarily choose to take part in, I mean if you just went on with your life tomorrow, does the existence of trans people risk your healthcare, your job, your housing?

That's the reality that trans people live with, it's not some theoretical discussion that they can choose to talk about for fun or not. Even if a trans person never talks about their identity, the basics of life are constantly at risk for them, obstacles to things like fair employment are a perpetual reality for them.

Trans people can't choose to not be discriminated against, going through everyday life there will inevitably be struggles for them that you never have to even consider, the least you can do is have some basic human decency and not go on a suicide forum calling them "genetically defective".



The World Medical Association, the American Academy of Family Physicians, the American Medical Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the Endocrine Society, every major medical organization, every peer-reviewed scientific publication, every group of experts who've spent decades studying and researching in their field who understand the presence of transgender people as a normal variant of human existence.

I never said Trans people were genetically defective, please work on your reading comprehension. I said a person born with two heads on one body was a genetic defect and not categorized as another type of human, and I said this in relation to someone born with an actual genetic variant of their sexual organs, such as hermaphrodites. Trans people, or rather, people who think they are the opposite sex are not genetically different from anyone else in fact. That's my point, the problem with "trans" people is one of mental health. Which should and can be dealt with in that way. And no, the scientific community is not in total agreement that trans people are a normal variant of human existence, because no one has ever actually successfully transitioned from one sex to another, ever. It is just a made up word to enable a person's mental illness. They are just like all the rest of us here that are dealing with pain. Life is tough for most people, not just people who are confused about their sex. The difference is at least I am able to call mine what it is, a mental illness. One cannot heal until they first acknowledge they are sick.

 

[emptinessdancing]

I wish I was never tall enough to get on it.

the carousel never stops turning,,,,

 

[senti-mental]

At this point, I recommend reporting all comments deliberately conflating sex and gender identity for medical disinformation. Stop engaging with trolls.

 

[KlMeNw]

I dont even care when they say stuff like this anymore. When they're done, there will be zero genders, because no one will be left alive to remember them. Their grandchildren will burn with everyone else's in the hell they created. I look forward to it.

And when we are all dead and buried 1000 years from now and the aliens (from space) come. They will find what when they dig up our bones? That's right, two types of human, M/F.

 

[Divinus]

I'm transgender and have been helping fellow trans people gain access to hormonal treatment for years now. I fully agree with the statement that there is only two genders as there is only two sexes.

It's biologically impossible for there to be more than two sexes, humans have a binary sex determination system. People conflate intersex variations as a separate sex when that isn't true in the slightest. Their disorder is simply a variation of female/male, not an entirely different sex on itself, a sub-sex if you will.

As for gender, it's simply a cultural reflection of the biological sexes, that's the definition of gender. To my current knowledge, there's no third sex for a third gender to be reflective of, as there also isn't a cultural significance for it to exist either.

 

[emptinessdancing]

I don't know why he does this. ?

Fuck that guy.

 

[senti-mental]

And when we are all dead and buried 1000 years from now and the aliens (from space) come. They will find what when they dig up our bones? That's right, two types of human, M/F.

been awhile since you took an anthro or archaeology class hasn't it? I highly recommend you revisit it, the classes are fun and as a bonus you wont find yourself saying dumb shit like this

 

[Davey36000]

It's so stupid lol I'm not american but US has so many problems, why focus on this petty matter? Obviously it serves as a distraction and way to fuel his fanbase of voters with more stupidity.

 

[senti-mental]

I'm transgender and have been helping fellow trans people gain access to hormonal treatment for years now. I fully agree with the statement that there is only two genders as there is only two sexes.

It's biologically impossible for there to be more than two sexes, humans have a binary sex determination system. People conflate intersex variations as a separate sex when that isn't true in the slightest. Their disorder is simply a variation of female/male, not an entirely different sex on itself, a sub-sex if you will.

As for gender, it's simply a cultural reflection of the biological sexes, that's the definition of gender. To my current knowledge, there's no third sex for a third gender to be reflective of, as there also isn't a cultural significance for it to exist either.

I think we have two running definitions here, we have people using gender as a term for gender identity, and we have people using gender as a term for sex, and that's part of the source of the argument.

"gender" when used when speaking about Gender identity includes trans and nonbinary people.

"gender" when used as a synonym for sex makes sense to say there are only two within typical development.

Both can be correct, but the latter camp is not making that point with any amount of nuance or in good faith, they jumped on a thread with vulnerable people on it and are trolling, and frankly I feel sad they don't have better hobbies.

It's so stupid lol I'm not american but US has so many problems, why focus on this petty matter? Obviously it serves as a distraction and way to fuel his fanbase of voters with more stupidity.

Because his party has no policy agenda, their policy agenda was essentially a white nationalist manifesto and was widely criticized, so now they have nothing and are running distractions. hence the flurry of executive orders as soon as he was inaugurated. trans people are just the unfortunate target and a convenient boogeyman for the alt-right, because there is so few of us, we don't have the numbers or voice to stand up for ourselves through voting or any other meaningful way, and they can say anything no matter how untrue and people just regurgitate it like you've seen here, even other queer people do, like you've also seen here.

 

[Whale_bones]

It is just a made up word to enable a person's mental illness.

Every major medical organization, every peer-reviewed scientific publication, the vast majority of experts who've spent decades studying and researching in their field says it's not a mental illness, not a defect, and if you refuse to acknowledge the overwhelming amount of scientific evidence that's easily viewable at the touch of your fingertips, that's your choice.

No amount of links and evidence I provide will encourage you to actually view those links or evidence, and I agree with the above comment about not engaging when it's no longer productive, so I'll leave this as my last statement.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

science itself is a system to remove idelogy and bias from facts and data. It's definitely had a lot of it in the past and still has it, but the process is designed to remove that and it works and science get less contaminated with ideology every day which is why the right is increasingly opposed to it.

Isn´t it the other way round? Progess in science needs more and more money, compared to the days of Newton, Darwin and Einstein and the investors decide in which direction research as to go.

Considering it's the Catholic Church and its followers that are against LGBTQIA+ I find it funny that you bring up a man who was killed by the Catholic Church (whose execution is still debated by historians whether it was about heretical or scientific views). So in your argument do you support an institution who is partially responsible for ideological science or science that supports a culture that has existed for thousands of years?

The Catholic Church was the dominating ideology 500 years ago, today this role is taken by the woke ideology.

 

[Divinus]

Every major medical organization, every peer-reviewed scientific publication, the vast majority of experts who've spent decades studying and researching in their field says it's not a mental illness, not a defect, and if you refuse to acknowledge the overwhelming amount of scientific evidence that's easily viewable at the touch of your fingertips, that's your choice.

No amount of links and evidence I provide will encourage you to actually view those links or evidence, and I agree with the above comment about not engaging when it's no longer productive, so I'll leave this as my last statement.

I think transgender is inherently a mental illness by the definition of mental illness...

A behavioral or mental pattern that causes significant distress or impairment of personal functioning.

I think we all can agree that being transgender causes significant distress/impairment, which is why the general attempted suicide rates for trans people is over 40%. Due to this, I think transgender is a mental illness, but I also think mental illnesses should be treated. Which is why access to hormonal care and therapy should be seen as medical necessities for trans people.

Since the WHO has demedicalized being transgender, anecdotally doctor gatekeeping has increased as a result. Every single day, I meet a new person who was denied care by either their doctors, insurance or GP clinicians. I personally was also a victim to this, I blame it on our condition no longer being taken seriously as a mental illness.

Side note, I am a heavy believer in transmedicalism.

 

[drug]

I never said Trans people were genetically defective, please work on your reading comprehension. I said a person born with two heads on one body was a genetic defect and not categorized as another type of human, and I said this in relation to someone born with an actual genetic variant of their sexual organs, such as hermaphrodites. Trans people, or rather, people who think they are the opposite sex are not genetically different from anyone else in fact. That's my point, the problem with "trans" people is one of mental health. Which should and can be dealt with in that way. And no, the scientific community is not in total agreement that trans people are a normal variant of human existence, because no one has ever actually successfully transitioned from one sex to another, ever. It is just a made up word to enable a person's mental illness. They are just like all the rest of us here that are dealing with pain. Life is tough for most people, not just people who are confused about their sex. The difference is at least I am able to call mine what it is, a mental illness. One cannot heal until they first acknowledge they are sick.

Being trans is not recognised as a mental illness by the World Health Organization and the American Psychiatric Association. These are leading scientists in the field so its pretty ironic as someone who follows a scientific approach to disregard this. yeah most trans people deal with mental health problems due to being trans such as gender dysphoria which is recognised as a mental health disorder but that doesnt make being trans one. it is widely accepted that the best approach for gender dysphoria is transitioning which also lowers suicide rates.
if you want to back a false narrative and go against science be my guest but dismissing a large portion of our communities issues and writing them off as mental illness will not be accepted. it adds to the stigma and makes an already marginalised group feel more out of place. its a huge reason for their disproportionately high suicide rates compared to the gen pop.
its not hard to fact check any of the claims youve made. so in the future if youre going to spout about ScIeNcE at least spend a few mins fact checking what u believe to be correct
thanks..