thirdrailer

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To the other trans folks here. Do you feel suicidal ideation goes hand in hand with feeling aligned with your gender assigned at birth? I keep feeling both at the same time and really don't feel them separately any more. Is this internalized transphobia? Am I not trans? I get people saying "cis people don't have gender doubt" but what if cis people DO have gender doubt and I'm one of them? Very frustrated.

I want to not be suicidal. I want to enjoy life like I do when I'm feeling aligned with my trans gender identity.
 
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manta

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I am a cis man, but I actually did have a period of my life where I questioned my gender identity. It brought me a lot of stress because I really wasn't sure who I was. I spent a lot of time experimenting with my gender identity by wearing different clothes and growing my hair out a little and using she/her pronouns with my close friends. During this I learned I am comfortable with being a man but more feminine.

The trans community is full of extremely kind and supportive people. If you can I'd maybe look for a local trans support group. They have tons of resources to help you and you can meet other trans people who can share their experiences with you. Experimenting with your gender expression can also help you figure out who you are.

Sorry if that doesn't answer your question but I hope my experience can help you in some way.
Wishing you all the best and good luck on your journey
 
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thirdrailer

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Thank you for your reply, Manta. I'm glad to hear you've found your truth. I will confirm that the trans community is lovely. There's a reason I'm asking here and not there. Not all closets are queer, and experiencing suicidal ideation is not a closet I am prepared to come out of even amongst my trans community.
 
sunshiningbackwards

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I ID as male, but i take estrogen for body dysmorphia. My quandary is less about gender than it is about being desirable. Women don't really like men who feminize themselves. Otherwise, why not just date a woman? Sad, but true. On top of that, I have physical traits that I wish I could change but can't. Is what it is, I guess. Definitely contributes to my SI
 
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Thank you for your reply sunshiningbackward. A lot of what you said is resonant with me. I wish there were more stories like yours. A lot of my SI is tied up in relationship challenges -- familial, friendship, romantic.

I have some thinking to do. Just being able to talk openly about this is helpful.
 
tatteredbone

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Trans man here (intersex to male), Doubt is extremely common for transgender folk, Same for internalised transphobia, similar to sexualities such as being gay we have periods in time where we may doubt we are something due to its rarity. There is no easy way to fix or prove you are trans or not but something my brother (online no relation.) taught me was "If you feel you're trans. you likely are."
I've rarely met cisgender people who question their identity, usually upon the use of different pronouns or names they get cold feet and realise they are wrong.
Suicide behaviour is linked to gender/sexual identity as we do deviate from the "norm", the same applies to mental illness.
If you ever need support about your identity or an outlet to vent frustrations when you feel confused. we will be here. I've been in your shoes.
 
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Thanks, tatteredbone. I think the SI and depression being connected to feeling aligned with my GAAB is the most confusing. My new secondary sex characteristics from HRT feel dysphoric when I'm depressed in the same way my existing secondary sex characteristics feel dysphoric when I'm not depressed.

I am grateful to have this space where SI discussion is not discouraged.
 
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i'm trans, and honestly, i've stopped worrying whether i'm "really trans" or not. obviously we all doubt ourselves, but no matter what there's pretty much no way to prove to yourself whether you're trans or cis because of how complex all of these feelings are. i continue transitioning and IDing as trans and everything, but i don't pick apart my identity anymore trying to figure out whether certain behaviours/thoughts are from being trans or from something else.

it's obviously easier said than done, but i really just encourage you to let yourself be. whatever gender you want to live your life as, you probably are that gender and should allow yourself to exist however would make you feel best
 
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I have seen people put an awful lot of emotional energy into wondering "Am I gay or heterosxual", "Am I trans or not", etc. In many cases it's not productive, and sometimes it's destructive. Labels can be very unhelpful, and sometimes dangerous.. Just be yourself. If other people choose to label you, that's their business. And after a few years of "just being yourself" you will have figured out where you feel most comfortable, and then it will be easy to apply a label - if you decide you want one.
 
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Thank you for your replies. When I'm feeling good -- like I generally have for a few days now -- I generally do feel more like the way your describing. It's not that I want a label when I'm feeling good. I'm kinda content to just be me, regardless of what that feels like that day. It's that when I'm depressed, I also feel convinced I'm my GAAB and that doing anything else is silly -- along with feeling convinced of all manner of other and generally awful things. Thankfully I'm not feeling depressed for a few days now -- along with all those other "feeling convinced" feelings. Brains are weird.
 
rabid_aspie_yokai

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Yeah absolutely... Actually the cause of my depression is gender...
 
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SoftWorries

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To the other trans folks here. Do you feel suicidal ideation goes hand in hand with feeling aligned with your gender assigned at birth? I keep feeling both at the same time and really don't feel them separately any more. Is this internalized transphobia? Am I not trans? I get people saying "cis people don't have gender doubt" but what if cis people DO have gender doubt and I'm one of them? Very frustrated.

I want to not be suicidal. I want to enjoy life like I do when I'm feeling aligned with my trans gender identity.
Perhaps you're nonbinary?
 
howl pendragon

howl pendragon

What matters is you, and not the state of you.
May 1, 2023
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To the other trans folks here. Do you feel suicidal ideation goes hand in hand with feeling aligned with your gender assigned at birth?
Hi! AFAB here, I identify as enby (non binary) with gender expression tending to male. I realized I'm trans about 5 years ago, so its been a while dealing with that. I cannot say that it is not a matter affecting my desire to CTB, but I can say it is not my major motive.

For me, the most opressing factor is financial struggles and poor quality of life, aligned with chronic depression, PTSD, borderline disorder, ADHD... In my country, it is really hard to get a decent job that do not drain you and be able to even afford living alone. Rent is not cheap, food gets more and more expensive year after year, and with an average callcenter job (what you can get w/o an degree) you can barely afford share rent/bills and eat, so you can imagine there is not much pleasure and joy in day-to-day living. In top of that, I get the struggles of being misgendered constantly, of body disphoria, and the health struggles to HT...

To me it seems a fraction that makes the water filling up the "cup", you know? But yes, sometimes when im really struggling w misgenders or my body image, it can trully seems that it is the main factor.

I keep feeling both at the same time and really don't feel them separately any more. Is this internalized transphobia? Am I not trans? I get people saying "cis people don't have gender doubt" but what if cis people DO have gender doubt and I'm one of them? Very frustrated.
Contrary to what it may look, it is not a "clear line". You can be trans and still identify with your birth assigned gender in some parts. You can even be non binary, or gender fluid. I would encourage you to take a look about some of these trans spectrums, may clarify some of it! And some of what you are saying kinda sounds to me more like some confusion about what people view as gender than saying you are trans or cis. Some views of what is trans is confusing, and do not represent reality at all. Trans bodies have many shapes and colors:

A trans guy can be feminine, can be a femboy or even keep using dresses.
A trans girl can be masculine, have a beard, muscles, etc.

Trans is more about what do you feel you see yourself as, internally. Do you already use different pronouns from what you were designed? Have you tried? To me, my "clarity moment" was a few years ago when a trans friend offered to treat me w neutral pronouns (they/them for example) when I first expressed doubts about being cis. The experience gave me that "gender euphoria" and I felt I could be more "me" for the first time.

I want to not be suicidal. I want to enjoy life like I do when I'm feeling aligned with my trans gender identity.
Im really sorry about that, and I would like to say its gonna be easy, but being trans is really hard... But step by step, getting to know you better, and knowing what makes you confortable, can make you slowly progress to having more good days. Just try not to be too hard on yourself, remember you dont need to fit in a "gender box". Its way more flexible than it seems.

Hope this can help a bit.

I really hope you find the way to be your true "you" someday.
 
Maeve

Maeve

The screaming never stops
Jul 17, 2023
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I was depressed before i knew i was trans then after i found myself i thought with hrt it would all get better but it got worse wayy worse and now i cant go and get help because they would stop my hrt and that would be my death sentence. I am happyer with myself i finaly se the way to be the human i see myself as but at the same time my life is crumbeling around me my family does not support me but i still love them and don't want to hurt em by ctb i also have friends that care about me but my emotional part of my brain won't get it. I am scared i really don't want to die but i slowly run out of escapes i just want to be normal but i cant.
Sorry for rant i am drunk
 
JustLain

JustLain

God in the making
Jun 15, 2023
25
I feel my depression is caused by less so being a male at birth, but the lack of easy transitioning and the mass hatred to trans people in my country. Acceptance and HRT would save me.
 
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