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StateOfMind

StateOfMind

Liberty or Death
Apr 30, 2020
1,195
First of all please refrain from hijacking this method-thread with an ethical debate. If you are so concerned about this think about making a separate thread. Thank you. Additionally nothing you say will make this a less viable option for me and any "moral implications" that are posted will be viewed as spam and ignored.

In terms of the method itself I'm having some trouble deciding on a position. Which one would you go with if you had no other choice?

Here are a few that should work in order of lethality:

01 - Decapitation
02 - Cut in half sideways
03 - Cut in half long ways
04 - Headbutting the train
05 - Standing facing away from the train

Feel free to add if I missed any.
 
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any%

Student
May 2, 2019
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I was thinking about this for quite some time and always considered train as an option. I would absolutely choose 01! Probably laying on the side of my neck on the track while facing the direction the train is heading. If I will do this, i will drink quite some alcohol before and put some music on.
 
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autumnal

Enlightened
Feb 4, 2020
1,950
First of all please refrain from hijacking this method-thread with an ethical debate. If you are so concerned about this think about making a separate thread. Thank you. Additionally nothing you say will make this a less viable option for me and any "moral implications" that are posted will be viewed as spam and ignored.

In terms of the method itself I'm having some trouble deciding on a position. Which one would you go with if you had no other choice?

Here are a few that should work in order of lethality:

01 - Decapitation
02 - Cut in half sideways
03 - Cut in half long ways
04 - Headbutting the train
05 - Standing facing away from the train

Feel free to add if I missed any.

'Making a separate thread'? Are you seriously suggesting that? What, and calling it 'Why StateOfMind's use of the train method is unfair on the driver'? And then we all talk there about your plan but you never go read it yourself?

Just because you say you have no regard for the 'moral implications' doesn't mean that people aren't still going to mention them. It's just the right thing to do. It's as much to spread awareness to other members considering such a selfish act as it is to help convince you to do the right thing. Please try to understand that the relevant morality and effect on others of any given method is not a 'hijack' of that thread. Frankly, I think if you were totally OK with the immorality of your plan, you wouldn't feel the need to preemptively warn people off telling you about the impact it has on innocent people. I hope I am right on this, and that this message can still get through to you.

Here is some 'spam' for you to 'ignore': Methods which unfairly involve someone else in your death are morally wrong. People who choose to do so are acting out of selfishness and cowardice.

Here's my additions to the train positioning list for you:

06 - Researching and using a method that doesn't unfairly traumatize others.​
07 - Having the courage to tolerate your difficult life just a little longer while doing so.​
 
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FluffyDove

FluffyDove

Experienced
May 11, 2020
218
I think the tone of your message isnt going to make you any friends here. It read very blunt and rude. You cant make a thread like this and expect people to not give you their opinions.

Noone is going to tell you what to do, you need to read all the info people have posted before you and make your own decision. The search feature will benefit you.
Id also insist that "headbutting a train" is probably not the most peaceful way to go. Have you read the resources compilation? You may find something that doesnt involve life long trauma for the others involved.
 
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any%

Student
May 2, 2019
168
I really dont know why your post seems so upsetting for some people. You can never kill yourself without traumatizing other people. Suicide is often born from desperation & desperation is not a good pal with consideration and reason. Every suicide is selfish, no matter what method you choose. I can understand that it would be better to leave a traindriver out of it, yet I dont understand why someone who still chooses this method is marked as selfish and cowardly.

And even though if you traumatized (in the worst case) a traindriver severly, then by that logic you would never be able to kill yourself, as for most people the parents, siblings, friends etc. will be traumatized severly as well. But you wont know any of it, because you are dead, which makes suicide one of the most selfish acts you can do. I dont judge anyone who does it, heck I already tried it and probably will try again, but it is my perspective on suicide in general.
There is no "right way" of killing oneself.
 
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FluffyDove

Experienced
May 11, 2020
218
I really dont know why your post seems so upsetting for some people. You can never kill yourself without traumatizing other people. Suicide is often born from desperation & desperation is not a good pal with consideration and reason. Every suicide is selfish, no matter what method you choose. I can understand that it would be better to leave a traindriver out of it, yet I dont understand why someone who still chooses this method is marked as selfish and cowardly.

And even though if you traumatized (in the worst case) a traindriver severly, then by that logic you would never be able to kill yourself, as for most people the parents, siblings, friends etc. will be traumatized severly as well. But you wont know any of it, because you are dead, which makes suicide one of the most selfish acts you can do. I dont judge anyone who does it, heck I already tried it and probably will try again, but it is my perspective on suicide in general.
There is no "right way" of killing oneself.
I feel like its more that we're all in a similar boat here, noone wants anyone to suffer more than they have to. That's why we see so many posts urging people to look at the resources page.
 
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autumnal

Enlightened
Feb 4, 2020
1,950
I really dont know why your post seems so upsetting for some people. You can never kill yourself without traumatizing other people. Suicide is often born from desperation & desperation is not a good pal with consideration and reason. Every suicide is selfish, no matter what method you choose. I can understand that it would be better to leave a traindriver out of it, yet I dont understand why someone who still chooses this method is marked as selfish and cowardly.

And even though if you traumatized (in the worst case) a traindriver severly, then by that logic you would never be able to kill yourself, as for most people the parents, siblings, friends etc. will be traumatized severly as well. But you wont know any of it, because you are dead, which makes suicide one of the most selfish acts you can do. I dont judge anyone who does it, heck I already tried it and probably will try again, but it is my perspective on suicide in general.
There is no "right way" of killing oneself.

It is certainly true that almost every suicide will unfairly hurt someone. We all need to weigh up the positive of escaping suffering in our own lives against the negative of creating hurt in those left behind. Generally, the more hurt caused to someone left behind, the greater the suffering in our own lives has to be before we take that final step. If you have no friends or family, you may set a lower threshold of suffering before deciding to suicide, seeing as the only person affected may be a police officer who enters your house and finds your body. Whereas if you had young children who would be highly traumatized, you may choose to endure more suffering in life before you decide to suicide. That's not to imply that everyone makes such rational decisions all of the time, but it is often the case.

The reason why it is often seen as wrong to unfairly involve someone else ('the victim') in your death, whether this be by train suicide, multiple vehicle collision, jumping from an overpass or suicide-by-cop is threefold.

First is proximity. An innocent party in any of those methods is going to witness your death up close. They are quite possibly going to see the look in your eyes and the expression on your face immediately before the moment of death. Then, they are going to see the partial or complete destruction of your body. Both of these are very traumatic, and completely unfair on that victim.

Second is causality. The innocent party is going to feel directly responsible for causing your death, despite your own actions having been the actual root cause. This leads to intense feelings of self-blame, which again are completely undeserved.

Third is context. Your friends and family may well have had gradual indications that you were depressed or suicidal before your actual death. They will often have a degree of forewarning, whether overt or implicit, about your upcoming suicide. The innocent party unfairly involved in your death, however, has no such warning to help them prepare nor context to help them understand and heal. They have been going about their day as normal when, suddenly and without warning, your death is forced upon them. Again, this makes trauma and PTSD more likely.

Any number of scenarios may involve different combinations of these three aspects (and this is just a rough theory, there may well be other aspects I haven't considered):
  • If you jump off a building, a witness at ground level may see your death in close proximity. They will not feel that they have caused it. They will not have any context with which to understand your decision, however.

  • If you live alone and commit suicide at your own home, your parents may feel that their parenting choices have led to your death. They will not have witnessed the actual death (proximity), and may have been spared seeing your body afterwards if the method was particularly gruesome. They will likely have known the context that you had seemed depressed and withdrawn in the preceding months.

  • If you jump in front of a train, the driver will witness your death at close proximity. They will also feel that they caused your death, despite the reality that it is impossible to stop a train within a certain distance of a hazard. The driver will also have no existing context within which to process your death (and no, believe it or not, train drivers never become accustomed enough to these deaths to not be affected by them).
Within this framework, we see that methods involving innocent people in our deaths are the most harmful across the most number of categories. I would also theorize that the impact upon that innocent victim is a very high one when measured against my first set of criteria (escaping suffering vs. causing hurt). It is for these two reasons that I believe such methods are both selfish and morally wrong.

Additionally, there are very few occasions when someone only has the option of these such suicides available to them. What is generally more likely is that these suicides are just an easier option for them than finding a method which doesn't directly and severely traumatise others. That it is the aspect which I consider as cowardice. This is a strong term, but there is really no other word for it. If you would rather directly traumatize an innocent victim than wait slightly longer to find or afford another method, or take slightly longer to die or feel slightly more pain compared to the train method, then you are motivated by cowardice.

There may not be any 'right way' of killing yourself, but there are certainly ways that can seem fairly objectively wrong, and this is a position I stand by firmly and will defend against those who believe otherwise.
 
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StateOfMind

StateOfMind

Liberty or Death
Apr 30, 2020
1,195
I was thinking about this for quite some time and always considered train as an option. I would absolutely choose 01! Probably laying on the side of my neck on the track while facing the direction the train is heading. If I will do this, i will drink quite some alcohol before and put some music on.

I think it would be the most reliable but not sure if I can get balls to position myself on the track like that and not move. Some how I feel just jumping the tracks pointing head at the train and goodbye.
 
InTheAirTonight

InTheAirTonight

I tried
Feb 29, 2020
475
Don't most trains have a "cow pusher" at the front? It would make it difficult to CTB
 
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Soul

gate gate paragate parasamgate bodhi svaha
Apr 12, 2019
4,705
@StateOfMind, has the recently-launched Train Megathread been removed already?

This isn't my method but I imagine I'd lie with my neck on one track and my legs on the other, the way cartoon villains position tied-up maidens in distress. I've read that it's considered prudent to wear dark clothes and do it at night.
@StateOfMind, has the recently-launched Train Megathread been removed already?

This isn't my method but I imagine I'd lie with my neck on one track and my legs on the other, the way cartoon villains position tied-up maidens in distress. I've read that it's considered prudent to wear dark clothes and do it at night.


Oh! The megathread is still open for business. Maybe you could ask a moderator to merge this thread into it.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/train-megathread.38771/
 
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TheGoodGuy

TheGoodGuy

Visionary
Aug 27, 2018
2,921
First of all please refrain from hijacking this method-thread with an ethical debate. If you are so concerned about this think about making a separate thread. Thank you. Additionally nothing you say will make this a less viable option for me and any "moral implications" that are posted will be viewed as spam and ignored.

In terms of the method itself I'm having some trouble deciding on a position. Which one would you go with if you had no other choice?

Here are a few that should work in order of lethality:

01 - Decapitation
02 - Cut in half sideways
03 - Cut in half long ways
04 - Headbutting the train
05 - Standing facing away from the train

Feel free to add if I missed any.
Number one, train decapitation works just lke a guillotine perfect method. I am also glad you added the part about people making a seperate thread about their ethical debates because EVERY time these train threads gets posted OP usually don´t get a lot of answers and it´s turns into a debate so annoying.
 
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Living sucks

Forced out of life before I wanted to leave
Mar 27, 2020
3,143
Have you read the resources compilation?
Guess what's in there? Train megathread!

@StateOfMind This is not a method I could ever do. But I find it concerning that your simple and clear request isn't being honored. If this was an off limits topic, there wouldn't be a resourced megathread.
 
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FluffyDove

Experienced
May 11, 2020
218
No method is off limits.
 
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BridgeJumper

BridgeJumper

The Arsonist
Apr 7, 2019
1,194
True.
Still, its extremely selfish and unfair
People were screaming when I jumped off a bridge. Slapping me etc, shouting 'Why would you do this????' The first thing I remember. A young girl with blue eyes with her face above mine, crying and asking me 'Why would you do this?'
Do you really honestly think that some poor guy witnessing your body split in half and gush blood on the windshield will work any other way?
 
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itsamadworld

itsamadworld

i wanna die somewhere like up there
Mar 15, 2020
410
True.
Still, its extremely selfish and unfair
People were screaming when I jumped off a bridge. Slapping me etc, shouting 'Why would you do this????' The first thing I remember. A young girl with blue eyes with her face above mine, crying and asking me 'Why would you do this?'
Do you really honestly think that some poor guy witnessing your body split in half and gush blood on the windshield will work any other way?
You tried to jump off a bridge? What was this about, if you don't mind my asking?
 
BridgeJumper

BridgeJumper

The Arsonist
Apr 7, 2019
1,194
You tried to jump off a bridge? What was this about, if you don't mind my asking?

Well I wanted to kill myself so I went and jumped off a bridge
In broad daylight
#SelfishnessGoals

My legs were never the same after that
 
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HadEnough1974

I try to be funny...
Jan 14, 2020
688
The OP has a train fetish, let's face it!!
 
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BridgeJumper

The Arsonist
Apr 7, 2019
1,194
Well I have a bridge fetish so everythings possible eh
 
itsamadworld

itsamadworld

i wanna die somewhere like up there
Mar 15, 2020
410
Well I wanted to kill myself so I went and jumped off a bridge
In broad daylight
#SelfishnessGoals

My legs were never the same after that
Ty for your response. I'm so sad to hear that, btw... I will check out the #.
 
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autumnal

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Feb 4, 2020
1,950
Number one, train decapitation works just lke a guillotine perfect method. I am also glad you added the part about people making a seperate thread about their ethical debates because EVERY time these train threads gets posted OP usually don´t get a lot of answers and it´s turns into a debate so annoying.

The very reason it turns into a debate every time is because this method is so morally controversial, and the reason they don't get many answers on technique is because a large proportion of people are morally against this method. To actually suggest a separate thread for the moral aspects of an attempt, when the attempt itself is morally controversial, is to defeat the very purpose of forum communication and understanding of context.
 
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StateOfMind

StateOfMind

Liberty or Death
Apr 30, 2020
1,195
@StateOfMind, has the recently-launched Train Megathread been removed already?

This isn't my method but I imagine I'd lie with my neck on one track and my legs on the other, the way cartoon villains position tied-up maidens in distress. I've read that it's considered prudent to wear dark clothes and do it at night.



Oh! The megathread is still open for business. Maybe you could ask a moderator to merge this thread into it.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/train-megathread.38771/
Unfortunately the train mega-thread is littered with spam. I have made use of the search function and didn't find much that I didn't know already.
 
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Taraxias

Specialist
Feb 22, 2020
359
True.
Still, its extremely selfish and unfair
People were screaming when I jumped off a bridge. Slapping me etc, shouting 'Why would you do this????' The first thing I remember. A young girl with blue eyes with her face above mine, crying and asking me 'Why would you do this?'
Do you really honestly think that some poor guy witnessing your body split in half and gush blood on the windshield will work any other way?
From what height did you jump ? Did you land on water or concrete ? What was your injury ?
 
autumnal

autumnal

Enlightened
Feb 4, 2020
1,950
Unfortunately the train mega-thread is littered with spam. I have made use of the search function and didn't find much that I didn't know already.

If by 'spam' you mean practical or moral objections to the method itself, then I would suggest you may not understand what the term 'spam' actually means.
 
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BridgeJumper

The Arsonist
Apr 7, 2019
1,194
From what height did you jump ? Did you land on water or concrete ? What was your injury ?

15 meters into water. 2 dislocated vertebrae in my my lower back, my foot was cut in half, pneumonia and never being able to swim anywhere again.
 
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DespairBeyondRepair

Member
May 9, 2020
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Big NO to cut in half sideways...I used to think that there was no way a person could be cut in half and be conscious and aware. Then I saw a video involving a car accident where the person was completely cut in half and not only conscious but speaking to people.. when the emt's arrived they were having a difficult time deciding how to pick him up...cause everything was falling out..
 
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BridgeJumper

The Arsonist
Apr 7, 2019
1,194
Big NO to cut in half sideways...I used to think that there was no way a person could be cut in half and be conscious and aware. Then I saw a video involving a car accident where the person was completely cut in half and not only conscious but speaking to people.. when the emt's arrived they were having a difficult time deciding how to pick him up...cause everything was falling out..

Oh. My. God.
I wont be eating dinner today
 
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watereyes

les malheurs de lizzie
Mar 27, 2020
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Here is some 'spam' for you to 'ignore': Methods which unfairly involve someone else in your death are morally wrong. People who choose to do so are acting out of selfishness and cowardice.

Now I would just like to add a little something.. I haven't read the entire comments and I don't care... Having tried this method myself (But scared by the train in the end) I did this out of desperation and I was totally unaware of other methods.. It was certainly not cowardice or selfishness. Now that I am aware of the moral concerns I wouldn't ever try this. And when you're desperate, -other people on this site might know it better than I do- the moral concerns seem rather insignificant..

Now I agree, from my point of view too, it is morally wrong, but it's not like suicide itself is morally 'right', or that there's a morally right at all... Still, I wouldn't try this anymore. Wouldn't recommend this method, or recommend suicide at all, anyway. Wouldnt recommend anything.
 
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HadEnough1974

I try to be funny...
Jan 14, 2020
688
Now I would just like to add a little something.. I haven't read the entire comments and I don't care... Having tried this method myself (But scared by the train in the end) I did this out of desperation and I was totally unaware of other methods.. It was certainly not cowardice or selfishness. Now that I am aware of the moral concerns I wouldn't ever try this. And when you're desperate, -other people on this site might know it better than I do- the moral concerns seem rather insignificant..

Now I agree, from my point of view too, it is morally wrong, but it's not like suicide itself is morally 'right', or that there's a morally right at all... Still, I wouldn't try this anymore. Wouldn't recommend this method, or recommend suicide at all, anyway. Wouldnt recommend anything.

I certainly do understand people's desperation. However, people here who keep bringing up the train method have access to other methods on this site.

Most often, people who attempt suicide by train end up living but the damage done to them is terrible and they might end up in a wheelchair, unable to do anything for themselves. You can't ctb if you're paralyzed.

I if I were in a situation where I had no access to Sn, or N and I was desperate to end my life, I would research the other methods on this site.

Again, I understand that people can be desperate but desperation creates impulsivity and impulsivity creates clouded judgement. If you're going to ctb, you should not have clouded judgement nor should it be impulsive.

Those are my thoughts.

And yes, I truly believe that for some, suicide by train is some sort of fetish. Talking about it, fantasizing about, talking about the proper head placement in the tracks, decapitation etc... just like for some people, limb amputation is a fetish, so is suicide by train.

And if you combine amputation fetish with machine fetish you get someone who is constantly thinking and wanting to talk about decapitation by train. See links below.

Amputation fetish link:


Machinery fetish link:


Have I opened your eyes a little? Thats addressed to the entire ss community.
 
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Soul

gate gate paragate parasamgate bodhi svaha
Apr 12, 2019
4,705
Unfortunately the train mega-thread is littered with spam. I have made use of the search function and didn't find much that I didn't know already.

Well ... there are some informational posts in there alongside the sort you don't want to read. And merging this thread with that one could help future mega-thread readers.

Meanwhile, I've read about people remaining responsive while pinned under a vehicle that's already severed them. It seems they're not aware that they're fatally injured. It is indeed tricky for the paramedics.
Have I opened your eyes a little? Thats addressed to the entire ss community.

I guess my answer is "no, not really", since I don't know what fresh insights you want to deliver.

Different people want different things from their deaths. I'm mostly in the "quick and peaceful" group myself but I see that not everyone is, and they don't have to be.

And sure, some people have fetishes, but I don't think this forum is the place for fetish-shaming.
 
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rhiino

Arcanist
May 13, 2020
462
This isn't my method but I imagine I'd lie with my neck on one track and my legs on the other, the way cartoon villains position tied-up maidens in distress.
I would not do that. When you change your mind and pull the head away, you still lose your legs.
 
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