Totally New Protocols For SN From Nitschke in Sept update

[veryhappyhuman]

My questionning is the timing of intake of the benzos, at the same time than the SN itself. Isn't this time schedule too late to pass out or feel "lights out" or attenuated symptoms of the SN ?

Another good question! I think thats why he asks us to powder the tablets and drink in solution, so they all hit at the same time and quickly, rather than slowly and individually breaking down in gastric juices. But even with that assumption, as you say, not all benzos are fast-acting enough to achieve the effect, so idk. Maybe it's not to put you to sleep, but to quicken the SN death itself, which can take a few hours in some cases.

Could anyone who's part of the forum ask this Nitz guy some of the questions in this thread? This update is more confusing than Chris Nolan's movie endings.

also not to be THAT guy, but how do we trust the Op 👁 perhaps it's a faked snippet.... trust no1

Idk if you're joking but I just recalled that another SaSu user also mentioned the ridiculous benzo dosage in essentials earlier. See here: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/require-help-regarding-sn-method.96068/

 

[diyCTB]

Do they want to sell benzos to us????

Maybe big pharma bought him out...

 

[👁️👃👁️]

I will just chime in and say this seems a bit sketchy. Stan's guide still remains the tried and true formula for catching the bus, although, I think there still may be the possibility for its improvement. But this new PPH advice seems a bit far from our tested source, so I remain skeptical as to how it holds water. I plan to stick to the bare basics of SN, water, meto, and ibuprofen. I don't want to be the one who tests out this new advice personally.

Most of the information Stan got came from the PPeH I believe.

 

[Hiraeth Grimoire]

Most of the information Stan got came from the PPeH I believe.

I believe you are correct. I wonder how this new information will be implemented, if at all, and if it is as effective as our more familiar instruction.

 

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I believe you are correct. I wonder how this new information will be implemented, if at all, and if it is as effective as our more familiar instruction.

No clue Tuck Tuck. I'm keeping it simple also, as you're aware

Meto
Zofran
Ibuprofen (which is probably going to be pointless because it doesn't help with hypoxic headaches I've heard)
Possibly antacid. Maybe.

 

[Unlucked]

Glad I spent months searching for these things specifically by name, setting up crypto and being forced to be involved in shady internet pharmacies and tor browser dark web stores to get all these prescription meds I no longer need.

Guess I'll start my hunt for oxezapam. Hopefully a new update doesn't come out in a few months saying not to take it once it's finally in my possession.

Ugh tell me about it. Having to hunt for all those medications is such a pain.

 

[Lost Magic]

Okay fine, go with the new changes if you want. Personally, I think the old guide would still work just as well. I would rather just take a few benzos to relax me beforehand than crush them all into a drink. I just don't get it, but each to their own.

 

[Nexuno]

The aim here is too make it less painful, from a psychological point of view I suppose. SN alone is enough to die; benzos are just to knock you off. The new regimen kinda make sense but...

Having had some experience with swallowing entire boxes of Xanax I would place the benzos BEFORE SN. Puking is almost granted when you're ingesting any big amount of any kind of salt... so I really don't understand the choice here.

The idea of integrating benzos is fine but something is really off in the new regimen.

 

[Lawliet]

that many benzos will absolutely up the chance of puking, especially without an antiacid. i would like to know the background of the person who has made these changes and what makes them an authority rather than going on blind faith.

 

[diyCTB]

Puking is almost granted when you're ingesting any big amount of any kind of salt... so I really don't understand the choice here.

Due to taste?

many benzos will absolutely up the chance of puking, especially without an antiacid.

Does antacid reduce probability of puking?

 

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that many benzos will absolutely up the chance of puking, especially without an antiacid. i would like to know the background of the person who has made these changes and what makes them an authority rather than going on blind faith.

Care to explain more?
The people on here that keep commenting saying "that many benzos will make you puke etc" do you even know much about these benzos that are listed on there?

Due to taste?

Does antacid reduce probability of puking?

No.

that many benzos will absolutely up the chance of puking, especially without an antiacid. i would like to know the background of the person who has made these changes and what makes them an authority rather than going on blind faith.

It's a euthanasia doctor. The whole reason that we know about using SN to begin with. Who changes the information based off of observed cases and whatever other information. I don't really know the book doesn't seem very professional but I'd assume that this man knows what he's doing. Everyone keeps saying Stan this and Stan that (Stan seemed like a great guy going by his post thank you Stan for putting all the time you did into making that guide) but he probably also received most of his information from ppeh Suicide Wiki and from whatever research he did. According to what @Jrmull1993 is saying based off of some article he posted Nitrite doesn't even convert into nitrate in the body. I'm not going to take his word on this or the article because even Philip is mentioning that it does convert and you would think that Philip knows what he's talking about. Maybe Philip doesn't Philip is still learning as we go also obviously. We all are.

 

[ojinzo]

I'm in us. Anyone know any bendy resources. Pm me please

 

[Nexuno]

Due to taste?

Does antacid reduce probability of puking?

No it's not because of taste. It's a physiological reaction (I remember the kids of my generation used to drink a glass of salted water to puke and skip school).

An antacid or better an antiemetic help to prevent vomit.

 

[diyCTB]

No it's not because of taste. It's a physiological reaction (I remember the kids of my generation used to drink a glass of salted water to puke and skip school).

And that's only salt but SN is salt and poison so the likelihood must be even higher.

 

[Lawliet]

Care to explain more?
The people on here that keep commenting saying "that many benzos will make you puke etc" do you even know much about these benzos that are listed on there?

No.

It's a euthanasia doctor. The whole reason that we know about using SN to begin with. Who changes the information based off of observed cases and whatever other information. I don't really know the book doesn't seem very professional but I'd assume that this man knows what he's doing. Everyone keeps saying Stan this and Stan that (Stan seemed like a great guy going by his post thank you Stan for putting all the time you did into making that guide) but he probably also received most of his information from ppeh Suicide Wiki and from whatever research he did. According to what @Jrmull1993 is saying based off of some article he posted Nitrite doesn't even convert into nitrate in the body. I'm not going to take his word on this or the article because even Philip is mentioning that it does convert and you would think that Philip knows what he's talking about. Maybe Philip doesn't Philip is still learning as we go also obviously. We all are.

sure, because i take similar benzos prescribed. one of the main reason why so many overdoses fail is because most medications are coated in or include a substance that makes you nauseous if you take too many. (nausea is a big side effect of a ton of medications regardless of this idea.) this wasn't always true, but after medication overdoses were on the rise, big pharma put it into motion.

also, what i've always been told is that crushing pills always fucks with how they're absorbed in the body (maybe that's the idea here). you also have to see whether you're taking capsules or tablets as that will affect the outcome.

 

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sure, because i take similar benzos prescribed. one of the main reason why so many overdoses fail is because most medications are coated in or include a substance that makes you nauseous if you take too many. (nausea is a big side effect of a ton of medications regardless of this idea.) this wasn't always true, but after medication overdoses were on the rise, big pharma put it into motion.

also, what i've always been told is that crushing pills always fucks with how they're absorbed in the body (maybe that's the idea here). you also have to see whether you're taking capsules or tablets as that will affect the outcome.

Interesting. Thanks for explaining.

 

[Nolife62]

As I continue to work up the strength to catch the last bus out of life I have a couple questions.
1) when I take the:
a) oxicodone
b) hydrocodone
c) amitriptyline
d) mirtazipain
e) duloxatine
f) Pregabalin
g) buspar
An hour before SN, should I crush and open pills and capsules and should I double up on doses.
2) because of the way food pass through my system. ( some foods pass through me in less than 10 minutes) I plan on taking 80mg of bentyl to slow the movement through my stomach t small intestine.
Is taking the bentyl a big mistake or not, I know I've discussed the issue of bentyl before but I can't seem to find it, and I don't think it was settled so I'm asking again.

I have all the meds and I'm so tired of living with this pain but I haven't been able to get the nerve to do it. The pain gets worse every day and the doctors tell there's nothing more they can do except to keep taking pills... I'm so fucking tired of pills no one should have to live like this.
One thought on changes.
I'd like to either read or watch videos of before the changes and after

 

[Sepultura]

In my opinion the new protocol makes sense. It seems to be improved in order to speed the process and make you CTB faster.

 

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Bump.

 

[diyCTB]

Bump.

Oops. Watch your head next time...

 

[Ethereal Knight]

How are you supposed to drink 2nd cup of SN if you vomit? How will you able to keep it down while vomiting?

exactly.
in theory, it's possible that someone vomits most of the ingested SN, but still absorbs enough benzodiazepines to make them sleepy and not able to drink the backup glass.

if you want to make SN as peaceful as it can be, OK, benzodiazepines are not a bad idea. ( take a look, @CristinaA )

but I'm not convinced about propranolol at all. I'll definitely use propranolol.

 

[Talvikki]

Propranolol: Less is More

Propranolol: Less is More

A high dose of Propranolol is counterproductive.

 

[Popcornmew]

Propranolol: Less is More

A high dose of Propranolol is counterproductive.

Is the 400mg good? Or is it too much?

 

[Someone123]

I still believe that propranolol is helpful, regardless of the updates. Quite a few people have called 911 since the racing heart rate was too distressing, and a beta blocker greatly reduces this risk. I will consider updated recommendations but I will not treat them as gospel- this issue was not even discussed in the updates. Many people have ctbd using 400mg of propranol, and I personally still think this is a good way to go. Whoever is making these updates is doing this without consideering all aspects of the situation, so I honestly don't trust their competence.

 

[Talvikki]

Is the 400mg good? Or is it too much?

I don't think it's a good idea to take a high dose of Propranolol.

A high dose of beta-blocker Propranolol may in some people induce cardiac fibrillation while in others it may protect against this.

A dosage range of 10 to 40mg for Anxiety tachycardia (Rapid heart rate) three times a day usually achieves the required response.

Thread: 'I don't think it's a good idea to take a high dose of Propranolol with SN.' https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...ke-a-high-dose-of-propranolol-with-sn.102891/

 

[👁️👃👁️]

In my opinion the new protocol makes sense. It seems to be improved in order to speed the process and make you CTB faster.

Exactly.

 

[Jadzia]

So Ibuprofen has also been removed from the protocol?

 

[aladdin]

Is anyone going to try this? My SN arrives soon, so I need to plan accordingly. Can I substitute other benzos like Xanax and klonopin, or does it have to be oxazepam/valium? Shouldn't I take the benzo drink some time before the SN drink? I feel as though the SN will make me vomit instantly and I want to give time for the benzo to be absorbed. Also, it says to abort ctb procedure if vomiting occurs and no additional sn drink is consumed. However, from what I've read from other members here, almost everyone did vomit, and violently! Yet, they were still successful.

 

[Jadzia]

Is anyone going to try this? My SN arrives soon, so I need to plan accordingly. Can I substitute other benzos like Xanax and klonopin, or does it have to be oxazepam/valium? Shouldn't I take the benzo drink some time before the SN drink? I feel as though the SN will make me vomit instantly and I want to give time for the benzo to be absorbed. Also, it says to abort ctb procedure if vomiting occurs and no additional sn drink is consumed. However, from what I've read from other members here, almost everyone did vomit, and violently! Yet, they were still successful.

I agree about taking the Benzos some time before. I don't like the idea of crushing them up and drinking them either. That would taste so vile, even worse than SN. The taste could make you want to puke

 

[well2hell]

Regarding the removal of propanolol, Dr Nitschke may have been influenced by the replacement of propanolol by amitriptyline in the American Clinicians' Academy on Medical Aid in Dying's (ACAMAID) 4-drug lethal mixture.

The data compiled by the ACAMAID in December 2019 suggest that amitriptyline leads to a quicker death: 90% of patients died under 4 hours (average 1.1 h, max 4.4 h) as opposed to 81% with propanolol (average 1.3 h, max 5.1 h).

Consistent with this, Dr Nitschke explains that tachycardia may lead to a faster death "presumably because of cardiac arrest", similarly to the ACAMAID ("Propanolol from D-DMP2 was switched to amitriptyline from D-DMA because: In aid in dying, tachyarrhythmias are more quickly lethal than bradyarrhythmias").

In August 2020, Dr Lonny Shavelson of the ACAMAID recommended retiring DDMP2 altogether in favor of DDMA.