To those concerned about being saved or rescued

[Joeydoe]

There are many who place great significance on their concern about being found or saved or rescued. They dwell on it and talk incessantly about it and alter or postpone plans because of it. Some of those concerns can be addressed with advance directives, living wills, and do not resuscitate documents.

 

[darkwaters]

In most cases if you are incapacitated family or next of kin can override those documents, especially in the field outside of the hospital. You'd need a very special form filled and signed by a doctor specifically that would be kept with you, and they're not forms that are always accessible. Advance directives are generally just guidelines for what you want your next of kin to do, in most (all?) states they are not legally binding.

 

[Joeydoe]

In most cases if you are incapacitated family or next of kin can override those documents, especially in the field outside of the hospital. You'd need a very special form filled and signed by a doctor specifically that would be kept with you, and they're not forms that are always accessible. Advance directives are generally just guidelines for what you want your next of kin to do, in most (all?) states they are not legally binding.

Please cite sources, sir, as will I.

Do you think I would make such a post, not having some knowledge regarding the legalities?

In jurisdictions where statutes exist, and where those statutes dictate, then, no sir, noone can "override" the law.

In the state of Texas, a new law just passed. You can now execute an OOH-DNR, in addition to a living will, advance medical directive, and a medical power of attorney. Upon execution of an OOH-DNR (Out Of Hospital Do Not Resuscitate) you can upload a copy to a state approved outlet for a specialized bracelet, the specific purpose of which is so you don't have to worry about carrying around printed documents.

In your medical power of attorney, you can name ANY individual. So, naturally, you would name someone you could trust with your last wishes to not be resuscitated.

[https://www.hhs.texas.gov/regulatio...ill-directive-physicians-family-or-surrogates]

Please cite some case law where a court has held that a legally executed document provided by statute can be "overriden."

 

[makethepainstop]

Dude by the very act of attempting to suicide, you are considered incompetent if not insane. Therefore they can do what they want to you to save you. Remember the do-gooders feel oh so good when they save you, so that you can suffer in agony even longer. Much love to all.

 

[Joeydoe]

Dude by the very act of attempting to suicide, you are considered incompetent if not insane. Therefore they can do what they want to you to save you. Remember the do-gooders feel oh so good when they save you, so that you can suffer in agony even longer. Much love to all.

You should really read some actual law before spouting around incorrect, inaccurate, or potentially misleading information that could affect life or death decisions people might make.

 

[makethepainstop]

If a man wants to suicide the do-gooders will interfere. Thanks

 

[Joeydoe]

If a man wants to suicide the do-gooders will interfere. Thanks

So, no sources? Just you saying it?

 

[akirat9]

this so bad. to think strangers just force their way with me
is important to get it right first only time
treated like a lab rat | when are no longer human but a subject

 

[Phtzzzing]

There are many who place great significance on their concern about being found or saved or rescued. They dwell on it and talk incessantly about it and alter or postpone plans because of it. Some of those concerns can be addressed with advance directives, living wills, and do not resuscitate documents.

I have no idea which country you are in, but in Canada, it does not work that way. Sorry. As for proof...? Not going to bother. A simple google search will take you directly to the legal subsections required. In Canada doctors have the power to take that decision out of the hands of both patients and families. Actually the laws dealing with health issues in Canada are absolutely laughable/criminal.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

You should really read some actual law before spouting around incorrect, inaccurate, or potentially misleading information that could affect life or death decisions people might make.

You should read some law. If someone who knows you, or has some type of "interest" in you, ie family, friends, etc., has "something" that can possibly show that you have been contemplating suicide, all this person, or persons, would need to do is go before a judge and get a "stay" put on your directive. If a stay is issued, more investigation would be conducted toward the veracity of the claim that you were not in your "right mind" when you made your directive. The point may become mute if you are in such a bad way (no brain function). Now, finding the right judge to do something like this may be a challenge, but certainly is not outside the realm of possibility.

 

[Joeydoe]

You should read some law. If someone who knows you, or has some type of "interest" in you, ie family, friends, etc., has "something" that can possibly show that you have been contemplating suicide, all this person, or persons, would need to do is go before a judge and get a "stay" put on your directive. If a stay is issued, more investigation would be conducted toward the veracity of the claim that you were not in your "right mind" when you made your directive. The point may become mute if you are in such a bad way (no brain function). Now, finding the right judge to do something like this may be a challenge, but certainly is not outside the realm of possibility.

Since you did read the law, as you know so much about it, then it should be really easy for you to cite us a source.

I have no idea which country you are in, but in Canada, it does not work that way. Sorry. As for proof...? Not going to bother. A simple google search will take you directly to the legal subsections required. In Canada doctors have the power to take that decision out of the hands of both patients and families. Actually the laws dealing with health issues in Canada are absolutely laughable/criminal.

It's funny that so many people want to chime in as if they know the law, as if they have read it before, but not a soul can point us to where they read it.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Since you did read the law, as you know so much about it, then it should be really easy for you to cite us a source.

Signing a document is not "the law". The entire system is the law and include the ratifying of the law, the enforcement of the law, the interpretation of the law, and challenges to the law. This includes the ability for someone to challenge something that they believe falls outside the law. It should be just as easy for you to find a source. I don't have access to sources as far as legal precedents and such. That kind of thing is only available to lawyers on a closed Intranet system, as far as I know. You can type into Google just as well as I can something like, "Can an advanced directive be challenged" or something like that. If you find something, I'd take whatever I found on the Internet with a grain of salt simply because it's on the Internet, but that doesn't make it not so. But, a source isn't really necessary on this, anyway. If you knew anything about the US legal system, you would know that legal directives can be challenged. Any legal document can be challenged by someone who has standing to do so. An advanced directive is a legal document, after all you have to sign it, don't you? It is done every single day in this country. Whether it is wills, real estate contracts, employment contacts, advanced directives, it does not matter. These are all legal documents. Legal documents can be challenged. That's exactly why the system is set-up the way it is, the reason we have courts. The challenges may not be successful, but it is everyone's right who has standing to challenge such documents. This entire scenario only comes into play if you fail at your ctb and if there is someone who you think may challenge your wishes spelled out in your directive. The entire point becomes mute if you don't fail and don't get found too soon. If I were you, I'd make sure I was successful and no one could intervene, if this is of concern to you.